Pashtun female honor

[Darweshkhel]

If you don't tell your wife, sister, daughter the right things like Religion, Cuture, Pashto then they will end like the people they hang about with in School, Collage and Uni e.g. wearing their styal clothes, make up etc.
in the West they will be in class with mix sex so they will be with Black people, paakis, Africas etc so you need to teach them their culture, religion because if you let do whatever they want then it could damage them big time.
I know paakis that married jamacains, Sikhs etc, So thats why I will look after the females in my family...I will just leave my daughters in my village to be honest.

Pashtoonpaal haleka da khabera da reshtya! You speak the truth, well said grana. Never let your pashtunwalee break!

[Roshina]

Don't tell your woman what's right and what's wrong?

Qrratugai, how much sense does that make? We have a right to correct them when they are wrong. It's for the exact same reason 1 out of every 2 marriages in the USA is a divorce.

There's a huuuuuge difference between "educating" people about what's wrong and right and *demanding* them to do something you want them to do.

Compare the views of females here to the views of males. Don't you see what's going on? What are the females saying and what are the males saying? Survey it.

My point is: Communicate with the females of your families because we see things differently, and there are going to be differences between what you think is right and what we think is right. The proper and decent thing would be to communicate with us while we communicate with you. Is that too much to ask?

And what on earth makes you guys think that you're always right? That only men know what's right and what's wrong? Why do we LOVE to speak for other people and make decisions *for* other people?

[Roshina]

Note to those who don't know what "Naqis ul aqal" means:

It means that women lack intellect. Of course, there's no evidence for this, and we know that scientifically this is untrue. But men who themselves lack intellect like to say this to make themselves feel good, thinking they're naturally more intelligent than women. Really sad, yeah?

[Roshina]

The real measure is Taqwa and not Aqal. I disagree with that notion anyways.

You disagree with the notion?... So, I assume your previous message was a joke? lol 'Cause it SO didn't sound like one

[Smarty]

Oh and is it necessary to defend us? Cant we defend ourselves.

No (if u r in homeland). you have to master kung fu to fight powerful and brawny male wolves in society.

also i think pashtun males are over-protective and jealously gaurd their women.

[Feroza_Banu]

LOL @ mullah bijligar... i hate hate hate that guy...
i can't believe people even take him seriously. at least educated ones shouldn't but meh... define educated.!

[Smarty]

^ i buy CDs of mullah bijligar for entertainment.

[Master Khan]

Pashtoonpaal haleka da khabera da reshtya! You speak the truth, well said grana. Never let your pashtunwalee break!

Aaoo kaana Just recently my pashtun friend told me that his mirpuri friend said "he had pashtun girlfriend and he spend one night with her and then left her", its a big problem now because pashtun people born and risen in the west need to be tought about Pashtun cultue and Islam or else they will end up like the girls in the west.
I will never let my daughters have boyfriends etc, Taking them to their country once a year is really good for them to learn their culture and religion.

[Smarty]

^so sad
Modern pashtuns are losing nang o namoos

[Master Khan]

^so sad
Modern pashtuns are losing nang o namoos

Aaoo kaana, It breaks my heart, Parents now a days a daalagans for leting their daughters go too free.
Even my mum said If she had a daughter she would be in our village.

[Roshina]

^ i buy CDs of mullah bijligar for entertainment.

And that's exactly what he's meant for :D Same here! Although for me, sometimes he crosses some limits, hah!

[Master Khan]

Qrratugai We are not treating women bad but we just want to protect them from behaya stuff like Boyfriends, wearing the wrong clothes and doing wrong things etc.
I have witness alot of bad things with muslim women in this country and I blame their parents for their behaya Behavior.
I have alot of Respect for our women and I will do anything to protect them from these behaya stuff and keep them happy.

Pashtun Culture and religion Zindabad and who ever is going against it may Allah help them.

[Roshina]

^ My dear brother Master khana, we have a VERY different understanding of what's right and what's wrong, how you should teach people what's wrong and right, and what protection actually means. I don't think you understand this point, so, really, there's no point in talking about it. BUT just know that women don't always see things the way you do and that women have their own brain to use, just like you do. They have the ability to speak FOR themselves, so don't speak for them; let them talk to you and tell you how they feel, k? And also know that women themselves don't want bad things either :| I mean, do you think women WANT to be treated badly? No, of course not. It's just that you seem to wanna use force, and I am completely against force.

Khair, maybe you'll understand as you grow older, wrora

[Master Khan]

^ My dear brother Master khana, we have a VERY different understanding of what's right and what's wrong, how you should teach people what's wrong and right, and what protection actually means. I don't think you understand this point, so, really, there's no point in talking about it. BUT just know that women don't always see things the way you do and that women have their own brain to use, just like you do. They have the ability to speak FOR themselves, so don't speak for them; let them talk to you and tell you how they feel, k? And also know that women themselves don't want bad things either :| I mean, do you think women WANT to be treated badly? No, of course not. It's just that you seem to wanna use force, and I am completely against force.

Khair, maybe you'll understand as you grow older, wrora

na Kaana khor toba zama Khabaro na Pio gi, I didn't said I will force them.
Is not as if I will put a gun on her head and said "DON'T DO THAT".
I just want them to stay away from bad stuff like I mation in the last post khor.
deer jenakai in this country now have boyfriends and wearing wrong clothes.
yeah some girls understand but some don't and those girls need to taught about their culture and religion, my cousins who are born here are slowy going bad because their parents don't care...I haven't seen them wearing a scaf in my life.

[Pakhtunzai]

I second that mastera..there is a difference between keeping discipline with family and complete lockdown. Fair enough women and girls like to have their freedom but not to the point where they are allowed to do what they like which lead to harram. Don't get me wrong boys can go down the wrong route too. With girls its just THAT much harder because 1 mistake can scar them for life. If you don't tell somebody from right to wrong then whats the difference between us as muslims and pakhtuns to the non-muslims eh?