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  • #16
    Originally posted by Yasmeenaah View Post
    @Admin - Ok, ok... I will kindly do my homework and find the book. But not sure if I could read the book. I''m still Pashto beginner
    I posted every book I had. So you will find some very good material in our library. Just look carefully, and do not rush yourself. You will miss it without even realizing that you did.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #17
      There is a very nice reconstruction of the whole Suleiman Khel tribal structure in "Notes on Nomad Tribes of Eastern Afghanistan" by J. A Robinson, 1935 (later editions by Nisa traders, Pakistan). The author, a British officer in charge of supervising the Kuchi border crossings, credits his Pashtun assistant, who was obviously the one who actually gathered all the detailed information.

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      • #18
        "Karlanri" as the designation of one group of tribes, supposedly descended from an adopted foundling, was introduced by Sir Olaf Caroe in his book "The Pathans". To consider the link with the other tribes merely adoptive was politically useful to Sir Olaf, as a pro-Pakistani supporter writing in 1957 over the question of Pashtunistan, to imply that these tribes (mostly the fiercest and most famous Nang tribes along the Durand line) were different and not fully of the Pashtun/Afghan line. I personally think that most of these very ancient parts of the genealogies are largely mythical (like the Pathans being descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel, etc.) but that sometimes (not in the Lost Tribes case) the myths may be revealing of certain forgotten historical facts. In fact, it is likely that many ancient links traditionally attributed to certain tribes were the result of "adoptions", i.e. political alliances, rather than actual blood links.

        In spite of the above, I still have the greatest possible respect for Caroe nonetheless, and feel that his work is a great masterpiece, that everyone seriously interested in the Pashtuns ought to read.
        Last edited by Carlo; 10-18-2011, 06:14 AM.

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        • #19
          Looks like it's mostly based on Caroe. "Umar" is presumably a misprint for "Urmar".

          Caroe's attempt to bring together all the different traditions and reconstructions is probably one of the most dignified attempts at an ultimately insoluble puzzle.

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          • #20
            Admin Khan, is this the book you are talking about?
            http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-...n-tribes-7044/

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Janana View Post
              Admin Khan, is this the book you are talking about?
              http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashto-...n-tribes-7044/

              The book mentioned by Admin Khan is in Pashto. You can find it in library, in the Pashto books section.
              دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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              • #22
                Ahh, I should have known

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