farsiwans with pashtun names

[khushal]

its true that many non pashtuns took pashtun names for government jobs in the past. a sad state of affairs. not only because of the blatant discrimination but because guys like zahir shah didn't even speak pashto.

there were unwritten rules for government positions and the military. pashtuns would get high ranking positions like the rank of general, as did tajiks but not as easily. tajiks were mostly regulated to government positions that required smarts. hazaras/uzbeks were not allowed to be promoted beyond a certain rank in the military unless they had some major pull which more likely than not, they didnt have. large numbers of pashtun tribes were not required to join the military, even though the army back in zahir shah times was based on a draft.

When Amanullah Khan was deposed from Kabul. It was Nadir Shah that approached the karlani tribes in Paktia including Wazir and Masud tribes of FATA to take back Kabul from the Tajik Habibullah Kalakani. In return Nadir Shah promised those tribes favors and privilages. One of those privialges was to be immune to the draft.
Abdul Khaliq Hazara assassinated Nadir Shah so naturally Hazaras were the most discriminated against during Zahir Shahs time.

[khushal]

so you mean to say that the royals didn't care enough for pashtu to learn it or speak it amongst themselves but they were stupid enough to be flattered by the gesture when some tajik or hazara tried to bull**** them by giving their children pashtun names??
last i checked, in order to hold a job one needed skills required for that position which is exactly what was taken into consideration before an employer hired an employee. jobs were not given away after the employee skimmed through the application to search for the most pashtunish name on the file. names are given on the bases of inspiration and uniqueness even amongst communities that are not necessarily highly educated, not the intention of hopes for better job opportunities once the child grows up. this prejudice and hatred towards different ethnicity in afghanistan has been injected to the minds of afghans recently. it didn't exist amongst afghans a while ago. you make yourself seem like an ass and pashtuns as a race of domineering arrogant pigs while the rest of the participants in this thread nod their heads like a bunch of mindless grass chewing cows and you think you have yourself a discussion. you pathetic jerk.

Dont get mad at me because you cant argue your point. Its not my fault your misinformed. A kingdom is one of the most prejediced society there is. People are promoted because of family connection to the Royals, just look at Saudi Arabia.

No matter how much *ss kissing Hazaras did, they would not get anything because it was a hazara that killed Zahir Shahs father. They were the worst off in the society, they were the poorest and get the worst jobs. In Afghanistan the most talented did not get the job, it was not what you knew but who you knew. Even today today you see a bunch of warlords and their families running ministeries they know nothing about.

Now wise up and read a book for once in your life and argue your point intellectually instead of name calling.

[pashtanajan]

salam!
well i really noticed that i have seeen maanyyyyy farsiwans with really pashtuns names (tribal last names etc you know).... anyone knows how it comes>??? also many had very pashtun first names like spoghmai etc etc etc

You've probably met Farsizubans who are ethnically pashtuns like the popalzai etc whom have been heavily persianized, yet still have strong ties with being pashtun

[Lemar]

You guys need to come to Herat and see the millions of Pashtuns who speak Dari but are the proudest Pashtuns ever.

Farsiwan does not mean tajik.

[Digital Malang]

I literally know two tajik women whos first names are "Pashtun". They call them pashtun Jan.

Now thats whats up.

[afgpower]

You guys need to come to Herat and see the millions of Pashtuns who speak Dari but are the proudest Pashtuns ever.

Farsiwan does not mean tajik.

nvrmind

[Lemar]

lol pashtuns who dont speak pashto? how can they call theirself pashtuns. they arent pashtuns in my eyes. you're a pashtun when you speak pashto

You are only a Pashtun if you are speaking Pashtu?
Well a Pakistani Army,ISI or whatever government organization can be a Pashtu speaking Pashtun but he kills Pashtuns, works for the interest of a country which was created to divide Pashtuns and does all sort of other bad things, you call him a Pashtun?

A Pashtun, having all the values and ancient codes of all other Pashtuns, who is ready to die for his country and it's interests but just because he does not speak Pashtu your eyes dont see him a Pashun?

You know what? you are BLIND! open those freaking eyes!

[Dreamer]

lol pashtuns who dont speak pashto? how can they call theirself pashtuns. they arent pashtuns in my eyes. you're a pashtun when you speak pashto

You are a pashtun when your parents are... its an ethnic group not a linguistic group

[tor_khan]

You are a pashtun when your parents are... its an ethnic group not a linguistic group

By most common definitions used by social anthropologists, ethnicity is defined by a common heritage which includes language. It's not an exact science; there are always exceptions, but the chances are whilst Pashtuns will extend the courtesy of including the non-Pashto speaking offspring of Pashtuns in the 'club', once you give up the language you tend to let the culture slip and with mixed marriages, within a couple of generations historical labels barely matter. That is why when many North Indian/Pakistani Muslims claim Pashtun heritage, they do it more for the purpose of 'racial' nostalgia rather than any meaningful representation of the culture/language or common aspirations of Pashtuns.

[pashtanajan]

By most common definitions used by social anthropologists, ethnicity is defined by a common heritage which includes language. It's not an exact science; there are always exceptions, but the chances are whilst Pashtuns will extend the courtesy of including the non-Pashto speaking offspring of Pashtuns in the 'club', once you give up the language you tend to let the culture slip and with mixed marriages, within a couple of generations historical labels barely matter. That is why when many North Indian/Pakistani Muslims claim Pashtun heritage, they do it more for the purpose of 'racial' nostalgia rather than any meaningful representation of the culture/language or common aspirations of Pashtuns.

We must also keep note that ethnicities and cultures are always changing. What we call pashtuns today may be a different group in the future. We mustn't hold onto our culture, but rather just let nature take it's course .

[tor_khan]

^Culture isn't static by any account, so yes, it will 'follow' its own course. On the other hand, we're not going to radically swing towards something that would cause a rupture or disharmony. Looking at the troubled history of Afghanistan, you can see the effect that moving too fast has on social stability. That is why I would argue the line where you say "We mustn't hold onto our culture".

I would say some key things are very much worth holding on to. Pashto for one, and supporting/developing the language. Becoming educated critical thinkers will sort our the rest.

[pashtanajan]

^Culture isn't static by any account, so yes, it will 'follow' its own course. On the other hand, we're not going to radically swing towards something that would cause a rupture or disharmony. Looking at the troubled history of Afghanistan, you can see the effect that moving too fast has on social stability. That is why I would argue the line where you say "We mustn't hold onto our culture".

I would say some key things are very much worth holding on to. Pashto for one, and supporting/developing the language. Becoming educated critical thinkers will sort our the rest.

That is what I mean. We shouldn't hold steadfastly to our culture, because doing so is impossible. However, dramatic change has always caused immediate disharmony in Pashtun regions.

We should hold onto the positive aspects of our culture, and let go of the negative ones that are only holding our people back. Unfortunately, most Pashtuns don't recognize this and so it's a major factor when it comes to the state our people are in right now.

Education will help most Pashtuns recognize this, but unfortunately not many Pashtuns see it's importance. I agree, we must develop the Pashto language, AND the only way to do this is through educating our people first.

[Zufash]

Exact same reason that many, many Pashtuns have Parsiwaan, Arab, and other non-Pashtun names.

[graveyardofempires]

Exact same reason that many, many Pashtuns have Parsiwaan, Arab, and other non-Pashtun names.

so what seems to be the problem?

we are to discuss that farsiwaans are not as anti pashtun as you would make them look to be.

i was a couple of days ago with my family guest at farsiwaan home and their daughter's name was muska which is a common pashto name.

btw they arent the mythical persianised pashtuns.

[AFG21]

^ No Tajiks from Kabul are nice to pashtuns in general becuase they have some famili concection don't expect the same treatment from tajiks from Badgschan or Pansjer.