Marriage to non-Pashtuns

[tor_khan]

TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVENT GRASPED WHAT IM SAYING IM WRITTING IT HERE IN BOLD:
IF YOU WISH TO MARRY A PASHTUN/PASHTUNA THATS COOL
BUT IF YOU WISH TO MARRY OUT THATS COOL TOO AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, SOME OF US DONT CARE TOO MUCH FOR ETHNICITY AND SAYING WE ARE SUPERIOR 2 OTHER PEOPLE... THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A PASHTUNA/PASHTUN MARRYING OUT..... there that wasnt that hard was it?

I completely agree that marriage is a matter of the heart and not of race, but if Master Khan's heart is in tradition, then chances are he's likely to follow a traditional route to marriage.

Out of curiosity - if Pashtooniyat is not important to you, why do you seek refuge on a Pashtoon forum?

P.S. I don't, as it is, agree with uppercase lettering.

[Dreamer]

refuge????? Lolll OH my words... I said that its ok 2 marry out he jumped up and down saying this was wrong and this and that... all I did was defend my views... saying its ok 2 marry out doesnt mean that I am against pashtuns! yeesh get with the programme

[PFgulalai]

Relax dude! We can talk about phylogentic anlysis of our gene pools but every single human can be traced back to one MRCA--our mitochondrial eve and Y-chromosomal Adam but certainly, you would not want to talk about that,lol.

urgh.... WE ARE THE RESULT OF A MINGELING OF GENE POOLS... WE ARE NOT THAT OLD... DONT GET 2 WORKED UP ABOUT IT... we are one race..... THE HUMAN RACE!

[Dreamer]

I knw about mitochondrial DNA ... dnt preach to me... I did after all stdy 4 5 yrs on physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, pharmacology, genetics as well as clinical application.... Marry who u want but dnt insult people who say its ok 2 marry out... its not like im holding a gun 2 ur head 2 say marry out

[Roshina]

@ Dreamer:

So far, only Master Khan has said stuff like "We don't give our women to non-Pukhtuns," "It is wrong for Pukhtun women to marry non-Pukhtun men," and "A Pukhtun woman will take our culture to another home if we let her marry a non-Pukhtun man!"

This is obviously just ONE opinion, and no one else has said anything similar. The others are simply saying that it's better for ALL Pukhtuns (regardless of their gender) to marry Pukhtuns for the sake of our culture and language, but no one has implied that it's wrong to marry outsiders. You're taking the words of Master Khan and assuming that that's the typical perspective or that all Pukhtuns believe this. That's absolutely untrue. Perhaps only one or two others here will agree with him (though more than that in reality), but try not to let him be the representative of all Pukhtuns. He represents only those Pukhtuns who believe that women are to be given in marriage rather than "women marry" (they're always married off; they don't get married - get it? Yes, you get it. You said something similar in an earlier post, and I totally agree). He also represents only those Pukhtuns who believe that it's unacceptable for a Pukhtun woman to marry a non-Pukhtun man, but it's perfectly acceptable for a Pukhtun man to marry a non-Pukhtun woman. Why should we agree with this? Why is ANOTHER woman from ANOTHER culture allowed to marry within us, but our women can't marry anyone from another culture?

So, yeah. But everyone else so far would agree that there's nothing necessarily wrong with marrying someone outside our culture; it's just not preferred or promoted or encouraged.

If that's what you're saying as well, then I suggest you discontinue this discussion, since it's going nowhere. You'll agree, I'm sure, that there's no point in having a discussion with someone who's foolishly convinced that his culture is better than other people's and the only reason he would marry off his daughters/sisters to someone from another race is if that person has done something for him -- as if to do the person a favor by giving him his daughter/sister in marriage!

[Dreamer]

@ Dreamer:

So far, only Master Khan has said stuff like "We don't give our women to non-Pukhtuns," "It is wrong for Pukhtun women to marry non-Pukhtun men," and "A non-Pukhtun woman will bring her culture into our homes while a Pukhtun woman will take our culture to another home."

This is obviously just ONE opinion, and no one else has said anything similar. The others are simply saying that it's better for ALL Pukhtuns (regardless of their gender) to marry Pukhtuns for the sake of our culture and language, but no one has implied that it's wrong. You're taking the words of Master Khan and implying that that's the typical perceptive or that all Pukhtuns believe this. That's absolutely untrue. Perhaps only one or two others here will agree with him (though more than that in reality), but try not to let him be the representative of all Pukhtuns. He represents only those Pukhtuns who believe that women are to be given in marriage rather than saying something like "women marry" (they're always married off; they don't get married - get it? Yes, you get it. You said something similar in an earlier post, and I totally agree). He also represents only those Pukhtuns who believe that it's unacceptable for a Pukhtun woman to marry non-Pukhtun man, but it's perfectly acceptable for a Pukhtun man to marry a non-Pukhtun woman. Why should we agree with this? Why is ANOTHER woman from ANOTHER culture allowed to marry within us, but our women can't marry anyone from another culture?

So, yeah. But everyone else so far would agree that there's nothing necessarily wrong with marrying someone outside our culture; it's just not preferred or promoted or encouraged.

If that's what you're saying as well, then I suggest you discontinue this discussion, since it's going nowhere. You'll agree, I'm sure, that there's no point in having a discussion with someone who's foolishly convinced that his culture is better than other people's and the only way he can marry off his daughters/sisters to someone from another race is if that person has done something for him -- as if to do the person a favor by giving him his daughter/sister in marriage!

thank u!

[Master Khan]

refuge????? Lolll OH my words... I said that its ok 2 marry out he jumped up and down saying this was wrong and this and that... all I did was defend my views... saying its ok 2 marry out doesnt mean that I am against pashtuns! yeesh get with the programme

oh for god sake said its wrong for our CULTURE and LANGUAGE.
I won't mind that much if a men wants to marry a non-pashtun female because she will living with us .

[Dreamer]

I doubt any non pashtuna wld want 2 live with u or ppl like u! dnt worry abt it....

[Roshina]

Guys, guys! No attacking each other! Stay civil! This is just a discussion, and your lives are not in danger. All posts with personal attacks are deleted.

[Master Khan]

shouldn't deleted my last post because it was true.

[PFgulalai]

Qrratugai Khor I don't know why DREAMER decided to start badmouthing since we were just arguing with our different perspectives. I really thought this forum is for clean discussions otherwise one can go around the internet and find a plethora of such cheap forums to vent out our frustration against anything which hurts us. As a newbie, I wonder how would the Admin tackle this person's offensive remarks towards me. I could have responded with all the abusive stuff that I know but I don't want to contaminate the sanctity of this forum. Telling someone to stop BARKING is BIG thing for me. I find it highly uncivilzed and ungentlemanly. I hope Mr.DREAMER would first learn some manners and be a gentleman before coming to PF. However, if PF is okay with the existence of such abusers, then I would be the first person to stop my friends from coming here besides me.

Guys, guys! No attacking each other! Stay civil! This is just a discussion, and your lives are not in danger. All posts with personal attacks are deleted.

[Roshina]

Badmouthing anyone is not permitted on PF, and this applies to everyone here. If you can't say what you want to say without disrespecting others, it means something's wrong with your initial argument.

If anyone sees a post that they find offensive, they're requested to report it to bring it to the moderators' attention. Admin can't be here 24'7, reading every single word that every single participant writes. And this is true for all the other moderators. That's why we request your cooperation in reporting posts. Or, better yet, just don't insult anyone!

[Dreamer]

Qrratugai Khor I don't know why DREAMER decided to start badmouthing since we were just arguing with our different perspectives. I really thought this forum is for clean discussions otherwise one can go around the internet and find a plethora of such cheap forums to vent out our frustration against anything which hurts us. As a newbie, I wonder how would the Admin tackle this person's offensive remarks towards me. I could have responded with all the abusive stuff that I know but I don't want to contaminate the sanctity of this forum. Telling someone to stop BARKING is BIG thing for me. I find it highly uncivilzed and ungentlemanly. I hope Mr.DREAMER would first learn some manners and be a gentleman before coming to PF. However, if PF is okay with the existence of such abusers, then I would be the first person to stop my friends from coming here besides me.

point that what u are doing? learn 2 talk properly and likewise ull get decent replies.... get over usereself... I mean seriously Its me whose insulted having 2 listen with the rubbish which quite frankly is racisim coming from u and MK.... I really am shocked that neolithical views like yours exist in this day and age.... because Its a huge thing for me having 2 read the vomit inducing racisim that ur both coming out with... its I who shld report u 2

[Dreamer]

whats the PF take on racisim????? just a quick question...

[PFgulalai]

Let the Moderators and Admin decide who is BARKING, INSULTING or WHATEVER.etc. I DONT want to dicuss anything with you, come what may.
PEACE!

point that what u are doing? Barking? learn 2 talk properly and likewise ull get decent replies.... get over usereself... I mean seriously Its me whose insulted having 2 listen with the rubbish which quite frankly is racisim coming from u and ur partner in crime MK.... I really am shocked that neolithical views like yours exist in this day and age.... because Its a huge thing for me having 2 read the vomit inducing racisim that ur both coming out with... its I who shld report u 2