About Pashtun culture...a short clip

[Manzareh]

True .. and all this patriotism on PF lol

[graveyardofempires]

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ill informed people ragrding Pashto and pashtun culture

[fzpz]

This video should be deleted. He said KPK is Pakistan! What cultural insensitivity and brainwashing. ISI propaganda!

Manzareh, who in this world is what they were 100 years ago?

[Manzareh]

ok 50 years ago.. 50 years ago English are the same as they were, so are indians, australians etc etc etc

[khyaal]

Let's not bullsh*t; ever since the the 1920's or so most afghan culture has been "alienated" thanks to our leaders who either look to America or Russia for hegemonic domination or latch on to absurd radicalism paid and manufactured in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Iran

The deculturalization is as prominent in afghanistan as it is amongst the Khyber Pakhtunkhwah peoples.

Honestly; was Amanullah Khan letting European men put their lips on his wife "Afghan" culture?!?!?!?! Was the Taliban banning people from Attan and beating people for such very minor issues like listening to music "Afghan", heck it's not even Islamic.

This is what I don't like about being Afghan, we have too many folks who are deluded into believing we have retained some puritan heritage of Afghan identity, when at the same time we claim Mawlana Rumi was Afghan, LOL

When I speak of de-culturation I mean rejecting certain set of habits that used to be peculiar to Pashtuns and which are still very much alive among the people of Azad Afghanistan but which have been replaced, here in most of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, by the imposed artificial Pakistani cultural. In my view Pakistani culture and society unlike traditional Pashtun society is inherently a highly class conscious society.
Now I’ll share with you my observation of the degradation we have suffered in Pakistan.

If you show humility and affability you are weak and backward, if you are cocky and arrogant you are sophisticated.
If you wear turban you will be considered backward, if you’re bare headed you are sophisticated.
If you call relational names in Pashto like Morey, Plara, Dada etc., you are backward, but if you call them with Urdu or english names like, Ammi, Abu, Mama, Daddy you are sophisticated.
If you do counting in Pashto you are backward, if do it in Urdu or English you are sophisticated.
If you hugs someone three times (just as we would do in the past) you are backward, if you just shake hands with a cold and indifferent manner you are sophisticated.
If you speak Pashto in its proper phonemic way you are backward, if you speak it in Urdu accent by distorting Pashto phonemes with an Urdunized way you are sophisticated.
If you talk in pure Pashto you are backward, if you use English and Urdu words in between you are sophisticated.
If you take interest in traditional games and sports you are backward, if you show inclination for Indian and modern European sports and participate in them you are sophisticated.
If you like Pashto traditional or folk songs you are backward, if you love Indian and western music you are sophisticated.
If you live in an extended family system you are backward, if you are isolated and self-centered you are sophisticated.
In fact the rejection of anything that is cultural and traditional and acquiring something alien you will be considered sophisticated.

Sorry, it is not that I hate other cultures or languages but I just like my own.

[Toramana]

Some of the things you say are right Khyaala...But many of the things you say are wrong...As usual, the romance about the Azad Afghanistan is explicit in your post...And such a view of Afghans or any other people as not to be humans but some super-natural beings is a problem... for if you would deal with them practically, you would find them to be like other human beings with weaknesses/vices as well as strengths/virtues...and then you will become dis-illusioned and would start hating Pashtuns and considering some African country to be your land of romance...

Moreover, you have this static view of humans and culture...which you like to be constant/unchanging ... I wish if we could live in isolation...

[khyaal]

But there is a difference between change, based on ones own cultural experiences, and blind imitation which could lead to the sudden transformation of ones culture and attitude.

[ScimitarXEdge]

When I speak of de-culturation I mean rejecting certain set of habits that used to be peculiar to Pashtuns and which are still very alive among the people of Azad Afghanistan but which have been replaced, here in most of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, by the imposed artificial Pakistani cultural. In my view Pakistani culture and society unlike traditional Pashtun society is inherently a highly class conscious society.
Now I’ll share with you my observation of the degradation we have suffered in Pakistan.

If you show humility and affability you are weak and backward, if you are cocky and arrogant you are sophisticated.
If you wear turbine you will be considered backward, if you’re bear headed you are sophisticated.
If you do counting in Pashto you are backward, if do it in Urdu or English you are sophisticated.
If you hugs someone three times (just as we would do in the past) you are backward, if you just shake hands with a cold and indifferent manner you are sophisticated.
If you speak Pashto in its proper phonemic way you are backward, if you speak it in Urdu accent by distorting Pashto phonemes with an Urdunized way you are sophisticated.
If you talk in pure Pashto you are backward, if you use English and Urdu words in between you are sophisticated.
If you take interest in traditional games and sports you are backward, if you show inclination for Indian and modern European sports and participate in them you are sophisticated.
If you like Pashto folk songs you are backward, if you love Indian and western music you are sophisticated.
If you live in an extended family system you are backward, if you are isolated and self-centered you are sophisticated.
In fact the rejection of anything that is cultural and traditional and acquiring something alien you will be considered sophisticated.

I agree with you here; those things people label backwards are things we should cherish and commemorate, for it demonstrates our character our genuine heartland values.

But I don't just see it with those Khyber Pashtunkhwah peoples; even amongst Afghans you have people who toss around ignorant phrases like "pas rafta" and "roshan fikr"

It's roshan fikr to have our daughters and wives dance in front of men,. but we're Pas Rafta, or "Taliban" if we have ghairat and namous and would not accept our women being passed out in such a way.

Spending more money than your yearly pay check on a wedding is considered "Roshan fikr" but spending very modestly is deemed "nadida"

Also speaking Dari is considered "zaba -e-roshan" and Pashto is considered "wahshi".

and it's not the Tajiks and Farsiwan who say this; but our own Pashtun Mohmadzayan, and even many Ahmadzayan who have lived in Kabul for a long time.

[khyaal]

I agree with you here; those things people label backwards are things we should cherish and commemorate, for it demonstrates our character our genuine heartland values.

But I don't just see it with those Khyber Pashtunkhwah peoples; even amongst Afghans you have people who toss around ignorant phrases like "pas rafta" and "roshan fikr"

It's roshan fikr to have our daughters and wives dance in front of men,. but we're Pas Rafta, or "Taliban" if we have ghairat and namous and would not accept our women being passed out in such a way.

Spending more money than your yearly pay check on a wedding is considered "Roshan fikr" but spending very modestly is deemed "nadida"

Also speaking Dari is considered "zaba -e-roshan" and Pashto is considered "wahshi".

and it's not the Tajiks and Farsiwan who say this; but our own Pashtun Mohmadzayan, and even many Ahmadzayan who have lived in Kabul for a long time.

I've personally met with many many Pashtuns(afghans) from Azad Afghanistan but when they speak Pashto it is generally very pure. Even dari speaking afghans speak much better Pashto than we speak here.

But here due to blind imitation we have changed even the basic relational names which shows a dangerous tendency.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I've personally with many many Pashtuns(afghans) from Azad Afghanistan but when they speak Pashto it is generally very pure. Even dari speaking afghans speak much better Pashto than we speak here.

But here due to blind imitation we have changed even the basic relational names which seems a dangerous tendency.

my dad's from Ghazni, some of our relatives live in places like Baghlan and Qunduz and don't know any Pashto to begin with.

very pure? ....we use words like "tanha" instead of "yawazay" we say "khabari kawum" instead of "ghaghegum", we say "shalgham" instead of "taipar". The only thing you're right about is that we count in Pashto. yaw, dway, dray tsalor, pinzo, shpag, owa, ata, noha, las.

[khyaal]

my dad's from Ghazni, some of our relatives live in places like Baghlan and Qunduz and don't know any Pashto to begin with.

very pure? ....we use words like "tanha" instead of "yawazay" we say "khabari kawum" instead of "ghaghegum", we say "shalgham" instead of "taipar". The only thing you're right about is that we count in Pashto. yaw, dway, dray tsalor, pinzo, shpag, owa, ata, noha, las.

We are losing even the traditional warmness in our attitude and is gradually being replaced by a kind of homophobic behaviour which is very common in our 'semi-urbanized' areas and is peculiar to the so-called educated class. You will be astonished to know that such people are generally feel proud of their such behaviour.

[ScimitarXEdge]

well homophobic behavior is nothing new, but of course it's parameters have changed. I guess I can't fully relate since in Afghanistan there's a new stigma about bacha baz and especially older men being lovey dovey with other guys illicits worries of other intentions.

[khyaal]

well homophobic behavior is nothing new, but of course it's parameters have changed. I guess I can't fully relate since in Afghanistan there's a new stigma about bacha baz and especially older men being lovey dovey with other guys illicits worries of other intentions.

I mean general apathy towards ones own sex irrespective of dislike for homosexuality.