Liberty for Pashtun Woman

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Sangeen .....ghalay chup kena; don't let yourself get set ablaze.

edit your post, lower your font please, and approach things logically like I can

see what I did? I shredded apart Toramana's arguments by simple knowledge of Logical Fallacies.

[Toramana]

Even if we take your assessment of things as fact, Makkah and Medina may have originally been camping places, but in the 7th century; they were in fact established settlements. There were homes, building, walls, barriers, all and even central meeting houses,, grain houses. All indicating settlement, not merely "encampment". What they were centuries before is irrelevant. Secondly what do you mean by "State" ; an established Central Government? If yes, then states have existed all over the Middle East at various periods of times in various forms. So your claim is bunk from the Logical Premise of the definition of State. Furthermore Islam developed a macrostate , which included Arabs and Non-Arabs alike all within the same century. Which totally nullifies your premise.

The evidence of this is the existence of numerous NON-ARAB companions of the Prophet, Salman Al-Farsi, Shu'ayb Al-Rumi, Bilal Al-Habshi, ring any bells.

Your claim here has thus been falsified.

The point was you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about. I can spot bullsh*t when I see it; I was calling you out on your bullsh*t.

When I point out your logical fallacies, it's not because I hope to change your mind and influence you to rectify erroneous positions; because I'm well aware you'll keep using them no matter how logically fallacious or inconsistent.

But rather it's so others can be informed of what's going on, so that when you use typical logical fallacies like Appealing to Novelty; they won't be taken by it and think that something's validity is based on it's time space event, but will be able to recognize such argument for being logically deficient and intellectually meritless.


sorry if that's a humiliating experience for you.

You are an absolute boor/idiot (sorry to use these radical words but for your dishonesty and abuse of knowledge)---you don't even abstain from prostituting something as mathematics to create a smoke-screen of logical soundness (that can neither help you nor your Arabs....)

Now what was this whole point in briging this infinity and lower bound and upper bound ? What did you want to prove...?

As for Mecca and Madina, boof they were little known outside Arab---pretty small places like large-sized villages where every person knew every other person...

[Toramana]

you are a murtad you called islam a "NULL SET". Tell us whom are you working for.

Dont run away from the direct question .... Why did you call Islam a NULL SET.


What are your objectives? I am directly questioning your objectives here.

I am directly asking you to tell whom are you working for and what are your objective by islam bashing?

Why did you call islam a NULL SET?

Man, that day I entered into an argument with someone and I told him Muslim ideology as well as Muslim societies have many weaknesses but they are not responsible for all the mess in the world and history...Neither they have to apologise to any body....

The problem with Muslim fanatics is the extreme intolerance/rigidness and the inability to reform themselves and to come at a level-playing field with the rest of the world...Like ostrich burrying their heads in the sand thinking they are the best ...

That is why I say Islam of fanatics is an empty set whereas that of ordinary Muslims is very dynamic and adaptable if Mullahs would let them their way...

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are an absolute boor/idiot (sorry to use these radical words but for your dishonesty and abuse of knowledge)---you don't even abstain from prostituting something as mathematics to create a smoke-screen of logical soundness (that can neither help you nor your Arabs....)

Now what was this whole point in briging this infinity and lower bound and upper bound ? What did you want to prove...?

As for Mecca and Madina, boof they were little known outside Arab---pretty small places like large-sized villages where every person knew every other person...

It was actually very well known

Have you ever read History of the Arabs by Albert Harouni? It talks about how makkah was an International Trade center in Pre-Islamic Arabia; people came from all over the world there.

How do you think Salman Al-Farsi and Bilal Al-Habshi end up there?

you're merely pandering refractory jargon

here take a look here yourself; Makkah exceeded Petra and Palmyra, two major Roman Cities

Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 5th century, the Quraysh took control of Mecca, and became skilled merchants and traders. In the 6th century they joined the lucrative spice trade as well, since battles in other parts of the world were causing trade routes to divert from the dangerous sea routes to the more secure overland routes The Byzantine Empire had previously controlled the Red Sea, but piracy had been on the increase. Another previous route that run through the Persian Gulf via the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, was also being threatened by exploitations from the Sassanid Empire, as well as being disrupted by the Lakhmids, the Ghassanids, and the Roman–Persian Wars. Mecca's prominence as a trading center also surpassed the cities of Petra and Palmyra.[16][17]

[ScimitarXEdge]

Sangeen I'm reporting your posts, you're merely trying to spam. there's no logic in your discourse.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Toramana's an moron; he always get's things wrong; he claimed they switched from land to searoutes because it was more dangerous but actually they changed from sea to land routes. LOL

this guy is a total fool.

[fzpz]

Sigh Torabora. Iraq was part of the Persian empire which you claim was essentially blockading the Romans. And neither was Mecca a port per se. Why wouldn't they just carry on their sea trade further instead of unloading in southern arabia if they were to transport onward to rome? Not denying that some trade from the southern coast of india would have been transported from sea and offloaded in arabia to transport on forward. This does not translate to mecca being a camping site and the only reason for its existence would have been as a rest over for trade between india and rome. Mecca's prominence and trade was because it was a house of gods, a spiritual oasis, and because abyssinia and yemen actually used to be worth a damn. Trade in that region was enough for it to prosper. Not to mention the ancient arabs. Mecca being what it was NOT because it was a 'camping' location between india and rome.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Sigh Torabora. Iraq was part of the Persian empire which you claim was essentially blockading the Romans. And neither was Mecca a port per se. Why wouldn't they just carry on their sea trade further instead of unloading in southern arabia if they were to transport onward to rome? Not denying that some trade from the southern coast of india would have been transported from sea and offloaded in arabia to transport on forward. This does not translate to mecca being a camping site and the only reason for its existence would have been as a rest over for trade between india and rome. Mecca's prominence and trade was because it was a house of gods, a spiritual oasis, and because abyssinia and yemen actually used to be worth a damn. Trade in that region was enough for it to prosper. Not to mention the ancient arabs. Mecca being what it was NOT because it was a 'camping' location between india and rome.

SIr don't try to logistically contend with Kharamana on this issue


just present the facts straightly.

In the 5th century, the Quraysh took control of Mecca, and became skilled merchants and traders. In the 6th century they joined the lucrative spice trade as well, since battles in other parts of the world were causing trade routes to divert from the dangerous sea routes to the more secure overland routes The Byzantine Empire had previously controlled the Red Sea, but piracy had been on the increase. Another previous route that run through the Persian Gulf via the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, was also being threatened by exploitations from the Sassanid Empire, as well as being disrupted by the Lakhmids, the Ghassanids, and the Roman–Persian Wars. Mecca's prominence as a trading center also surpassed the cities of Petra and Palmyra.[16][17]

He's wrong from every angle.

[Sangeen]

Sangeen .....ghalay chup kena; don't let yourself get set ablaze.

edit your post, lower your font please, and approach things logically like I can

see what I did? I shredded apart Toramana's arguments by simple knowledge of Logical Fallacies.

This isn't emotional ... not at all. problem is that these pseudo intellectuals are running riots in the minds of unsuspecting sada pashtuns. their objective is to subliminally erode the respect for Islam.

Talking logically is giving him the credibility that he certainly does not deserve.

Other thing is that people that will join the thread latter on will not know what is it that he has said they normally jump straight to the final page, so it is imperative for them to know what's being said.

That is why i made the font larger so that others could see his PROPAGANDA against Islam.

Look at this low lifer the way he changed his story many times. First ISLAM WAS A NULL SET, then he Became a Muslim but only a common man's Muslim. and now he is totally avoiding the question that why is it that said that Islam is a NULL SET.

He may be a bloody murtad and can chose to go to hell all he like but he has no right to corrupt minds of others here.

And you really think that you will talk logic to him and he will say "Oh yeah sorry i do see your point now. I agree that i was wrong in calling Islam NULL SET"?

HE IS MAKING A FOOL OF YOU GUYS. SIMPLE AS THAT AND YOU ARE WALKING STRAIGHT INTO HIS TRAP. Do you think he is a little kid that made a mistake and if you give him a lecture he will realise that he has made the mistake ????

Quran says:

Bis Millah Hirahman Niraheem.

2:6 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
Inna allatheena kafaroo sawaonAAalayhim aanthartahum am lam tunthirhum layu/minoona

2:7 Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Khatama Allahu AAala quloobihimwaAAala samAAihim waAAala absarihim ghishawatunwalahum AAathabun AAatheemun


he will take you on many wild goose chases and by writing long posts and throwing fancy words he will try to buy credibility in the minds of time savy readers. Without even knowing what these words mean.

I aint gonna argue with himon the meaning of NULL SET i am plainly asking him one question ... WHY DID HE CALL ISLAM NULL SET?


WHAT ARE HIS OBJECTIVES?

[ScimitarXEdge]

His objectives are to be a boneheaded donkey.

and he's succeeded

[faye]

see what i mean, scimitarx.

[ScimitarXEdge]

no Faye, I don't. when you learn to speak even handedly, then I'll view your opinion with merit. deal?

[faye]

couldn't find handedly in the dictionary. please explain, then i'll give it my best shot.

[ScimitarXEdge]

open your eyes dear, there's more to it than you seem to have caught on to.

[Toramana]

Edge, you are a bogus person not hesistant to twist disciplines of knowledges to further the Arab agenda...may be due to typical Arab inferiority complex....

If said anything more about me, I will be very very tough with you....