Pashtun genetics?

[Kushan Prince]

Haha, no bro, my name isn't Arabian. My name has evolved over the years from Shah Maar to Shamaar. It's another word for dragon in Pashto, or literally King Snake.

My test results point to a North or Central Asian origin, but as Midnight pointed out, Haplogroup Q is fairly widespread now.

If you don't mind me asking what tribe do you belong to and where do you come from? I know halogroup Q is the second most common in Pashtuns.

[Shamaar]

If you don't mind me asking what tribe do you belong to and where do you come from? I know halogroup Q is the second most common in Pashtuns.

I don't mind you asking at all. What I can tell you though is that my family originated from Kabul about 6 generations ago, that's all I know at this point.

[Kushan Prince]

I don't mind you asking at all. What I can tell you though is that my family originated from Kabul about 6 generations ago, that's all I know at this point.

Oh that explains it. I heard kabuli pashtuns have a high percentage of Q in them. My great grandfather supposedly came from surobi in kabul but my tribe however originates from Ghazni. What tribe do you belong to and what province are you from now?

[Shamaar]

Oh that explains it. I heard kabuli pashtuns have a high percentage of Q in them. My great grandfather supposedly came from surobi in kabul but my tribe however originates from Ghazni. What tribe do you belong to and what province are you from now?

That's the only information I have at this point, bro. As I said, they left Kabul about 6 generations ago, and moved East and West quite a bit. I have asked elders but our tribal affiliations are unknown.

[HalloIsBack]

Hallo,

To answer your question, I did not waste any money.

well then how much money did you spend on it?

[Midnight_Sun]

That's the only information I have at this point, bro. As I said, they left Kabul about 6 generations ago, and moved East and West quite a bit. I have asked elders but our tribal affiliations are unknown.

You may want to ask what kind of jobs your family had in Kabul. Were they artisans, merchants, masons, farmers, military family, etc. Q is primarily found in Turks in Central Asia. Kabul and Ghazni were both conquered by them and Oghuz Turks had settled in the area and all over Transoxiana. They were widespread, creating not only the Seljuk Dynasty, but also the Ottoman. There is no question in my mind many Turks (and their predecessors, Huns, and Scythians) had also amalgamated with Pashtuns and Tajiks in some form or fashion over 1000 years.

[Midnight_Sun]

well then how much money did you spend on it?

A simple paternal ancestral DNA test costs anywhere from $25 - $59. As a woman, you will have only mtDNA available and autosomal. BUT, if you test a brother, you will get the information from both. You can get very good information on both paternal and maternal ancestry with a Geno 2.0 test which does it all (paternal, maternal, and autosomal) for $159.

[Shamaar]

You may want to ask what kind of jobs your family had in Kabul. Were they artisans, merchants, masons, farmers, military family, etc. Q is primarily found in Turks in Central Asia. Kabul and Ghazni were both conquered by them and Oghuz Turks had settled in the area and all over Transoxiana. They were widespread, creating not only the Seljuk Dynasty, but also the Ottoman. There is no question in my mind many Turks (and their predecessors, Huns, and Scythians) had also amalgamated with Pashtuns and Tajiks in some form or fashion over 1000 years.

I completely agree. Most scholars suggest that the Pashtun identity basically arose out of tribal confederations. As you said, many different groups could have partaken in these confederations, and that is why Pashtun people today are such a diverse group.

We have a long history of people becoming Pashtunized and joining mainstream society. Even in recent times, there are Russians who have settled in Afghanistan, converted to Islam, married local women and assimilated into society. There is no reason to doubt that this would have taken place at even larger scales in the past.

[HalloIsBack]

A simple paternal ancestral DNA test costs anywhere from $25 - $59. As a woman, you will have only mtDNA available and autosomal. BUT, if you test a brother, you will get the information from both. You can get very good information on both paternal and maternal ancestry with a Geno 2.0 test which does it all (paternal, maternal, and autosomal) for $159.

i checked internet and in my country i have to pay about 200 bucks!
it's my rent for one month almost

but dira manana for the explanation

[Kushan Prince]

You may want to ask what kind of jobs your family had in Kabul. Were they artisans, merchants, masons, farmers, military family, etc. Q is primarily found in Turks in Central Asia. Kabul and Ghazni were both conquered by them and Oghuz Turks had settled in the area and all over Transoxiana. They were widespread, creating not only the Seljuk Dynasty, but also the Ottoman. There is no question in my mind many Turks (and their predecessors, Huns, and Scythians) had also amalgamated with Pashtuns and Tajiks in some form or fashion over 1000 years.

Scythians weren't turks they were an eastern iranic nomadic tribe. I know Mahmud of ghazni was a turk but some other sources say his mother was a pashtun from zabul. But wasn't ghaznavi's army composed entirely of pashtuns? I'm sure the turkic influence on pashtuns there is probably zilch considering how they came in low numbers.

[Midnight_Sun]

Scythians weren't turks they were an eastern iranic nomadic tribe. I know Mahmud of ghazni was a turk but some other sources say his mother was a pashtun from zabul. But wasn't ghaznavi's army composed entirely of pashtuns? I'm sure the turkic influence on pashtuns there is probably zilch considering how they came in low numbers.

You are mixing two time periods when you talk about Saka and the Turks. The Saka were an ancient nomadic Indo-Iranian people. The Turks were a later people who amalgamated with the remnants of their descendants, the Huns. That's why Central Asian Turks have frequencies of R1a and R1b and have always been known to be a 'mixed horde." There is no coincidence the Turks, Huns, and Saka occupied the same lands. By 1800BC Indo-Europeans migrated from Europe to China. A group of those Indo-Europeans were the Saka. Many did settle in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Persia, and India, but others stayed in on the steppe to be absorbed by other peoples. By the time of the Turk and Islamic invasions, many people were transplanted to Central Asia. There were once 20,000 Arabs in Jowzjan who were richer than any other nomadic Arabs in Khorassan.

To answer your 2nd question, the Ghaznavi army shared many similarities with the Tajik Samanid army which they assimilated. The core of that force was the Ghulaman / Mamalik or Slave Troops. They were outsiders who were trained at a young age in battle and did not have any ties to any land or material wealth. Historians of the time mention that they consisted of mostly Turks (Qarluk, Khalaj, Yaghma, Qay, Tukhsi, Chighil). Other parts of the Ghaznavi army consisted of Arabs (who made up the famed dare-devil riders), Caspian Dailamites (known for their two pronged zhupin spear), Indians (known for their loyalty), Afghans (known for their breeding of famed battle horses), Georgians, Shabankarai Kurds, and Khorasani people. His armies were truly multi-cultural and multi-national. Each army was kept separate from the other. They were used to quell rebellions and invasions from their respective peoples.

For instance, when the Qarakhanids invaded Khorassan, he quickly compiled an army of Khalaj (Ghilzai), Indians, Afghans, Oghuz (who had already settled Eastern Afghanistan), and local Ghazni troops. Ironically, he used the same forces to attack the Pagan Afghans East of Kabul and the Ghorids (who would later become a part of the Ghilzai). Many of the Afghan forces were not ghulaman, but paid volunteers, (ie. mercenaries). They were known at the time as "Ghazis" or "Mutatawiya."

[Adam]

Ok, here are my results [MENTION=2852]Midnight_Sun[/MENTION] [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION]






My Paternal and Maternal lines



Heatmap for U2c1


Heatmap for Q-L68

[1.4.18. Black & Gold]

Ok, here are my results [MENTION=2852]Midnight_Sun[/MENTION] [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION]

please tell me where you found this

[Kushan Prince]

Ok, here are my results [MENTION=2852]Midnight_Sun[/MENTION] [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION]






My Paternal and Maternal lines



Heatmap for U2c1


Heatmap for Q-L68

Wow your'e pretty mixed. I didn't expect Pashtuns from swat to be Q-l68. Interesting....

[Adam]

please tell me where you found this

Genographic 2.0 project