Pashtun genetics?

[کیش]

I know of at least 4 Pashtuns who have done a Y-DNA study, one of them being me.

Of the the 4, two were R1a1 (myself included), and two were from the J group. Would like to correlate these results with others.

I think a database can be made and quite easy for members to submit their data.

Can you explain what that means?

[Karachi]

I know of at least 4 Pashtuns who have done a Y-DNA study, one of them being me.

Of the the 4, two were R1a1 (myself included), and two were from the J group. Would like to correlate these results with others.

I think a database can be made and quite easy for members to submit their data.

Interesting, R1A1 is the most comman Ydna group streching from eastern europe all the way to northern india, it peaks however in two areas, around eastern afghanistan, northern pakistan and Kashmir area and the other area it peaks is, is around eastern/northern europe. Many people have suggested that R1a1 is the haplogroup of indo aryans or indo europeans, thats why you see the connection between eastern europe and northern parts of south asia, paticulary the area i mentioned(afghanistan,northernpakistan,kashmir)

As for J, J is found in south asia, the highest concentration is actually in Balochistan and Sindh, J is orginally from Arabia, it might have come here due to arab invasion or even an earlier movement of people from the middle east. J however is not really that comman east of iran

[Prince_Pukhtun]

for those who may understand phylogenetic trees
heres the genealogy i found


but theres no mention of talut or anything in these...i know alot of people whos family trees extend towards talut

looking at haploblocks from other sources it became apparent that we have similar haploblocks to macedonians and armenians...i assume the macedon part may be accurate because alexander did pass through

hopefully will get to know it better one day as genetics is one of my main interests and hope to do further studies in it! :D

[Midnight_Sun]

Can you explain what that means?

Simply put, one of my paternal ancestors carried a marker that is then passed along to to other male descendants. That marker has mutated just a little bit throughout time, but kept it's distinct characteristics to the original progenitor of that group. Using that information, along with other data, I can use that information to compare that to let's say, a Waziri Afghan's data (a 67 marker study or higher) and find out exactly how far we differ. It has also been used to study population genetics, and human migration. In the study of human migration, there are two major hypotheses of the origin of R1a1, and they are Eastern Europe and South Asia.

[Midnight_Sun]

Interesting, R1A1 is the most comman Ydna group streching from eastern europe all the way to northern india, it peaks however in two areas, around eastern afghanistan, northern pakistan and Kashmir area

I've never seen any data about R1a1 in Afghanistan other than one performed by Russians in Northern Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Where did you find this data about Afghans in Eastern Afghanistan?

[Karachi]

^ by eastern afghans i basically mean Pashtuns of afghanistan. Pashtun in both afghanistan/pakistan are obviously genetically really similar and Pashtuns have one of the highest R1A1 percentages in them, aside from northern pakistan(Dardic groups) and Kashmiries. I haven't seen any studies on Tajiks of afghanistan or Tajikistan, one thing i do know is that if you go in to Iran the percentage of R1a1 drops considerably, Iranians for the most part are a mix of middle easterners and central asians populations

This is a map that shows the distribution of R1a1, it is a very large group, as you can see the darkest areas have the highest distribution:

[Midnight_Sun]

The predominately Pashtun areas of afghanistan and Pakistan are not pointed out in this study. It shows northern Afghanistan and what appears to be the bordering areas between Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Pakistan. Most likely that is the study that looked at the Yaghnobis and other smaller Pamiri mountain tribes.

So far, the tally remains:

2 R1a
2 J2 (one of these claimed Sayed ancestry)

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[Karachi]

^ well you're right in a sense that very few pashtuns samples from afghanistan/pakistan have been tested to give accurate results. In Pakistan only Peshwari pashtuns have been tested, and the majority of there haplogroups are in the R1a1 category. But it might well be different for tribal pashtuns. But in pakistan areas like Kalash valley, Hunza, Gilgit etc... have been tested a lot, and r1a1 is the most common haplygroup there, thats why northern pakistan is one of the darkest areas in the map

[GreenMan]

I’m from Lahore ( the dreadful Panjabi .. lol ) and I took the test as part of NatGeo’s Genogrphic project and my group is R1A1. From the various studies that have been done it seems that R1A1 has the highest frequency of occurrence in Pakistan and R1A1 is almost nonexistent in Iranians or Arabs. The most likely place of origin of R1A1 is present day Pakistan or the area around Ukraine and Poland

[Midnight_Sun]

So now the tally is:

3 R1a1
2 J2

[Karachi]

I’m from Lahore ( the dreadful Panjabi .. lol ) and I took the test as part of NatGeo’s Genogrphic project and my group is R1A1. From the various studies that have been done it seems that R1A1 has the highest frequency of occurrence in Pakistan and R1A1 is almost nonexistent in Iranians or Arabs. The most likely place of origin of R1A1 is present day Pakistan or the area around Ukraine and Poland

its probably the Pamir region or chitral, hunza area

[Midnight_Sun]

^ well you're right in a sense that very few pashtuns samples from afghanistan/pakistan have been tested to give accurate results. In Pakistan only Peshwari pashtuns have been tested, and the majority of there haplogroups are in the R1a1 category. But it might well be different for tribal pashtuns. But in pakistan areas like Kalash valley, Hunza, Gilgit etc... have been tested a lot, and r1a1 is the most common haplygroup there, thats why northern pakistan is one of the darkest areas in the map

I do remember reading those peer reviewed papers a few years back. The results suggested that the Kafir tribes had less than 10% similarity to Greeks. They also tested a few Pashtuns, one from Karachi, and another from another big city in Pakistan that I do not recall.

[Alchemist]

Simply put, one of my paternal ancestors carried a marker that is then passed along to to other male descendants. That marker has mutated just a little bit throughout time, but kept it's distinct characteristics to the original progenitor of that group. Using that information, along with other data, I can use that information to compare that to let's say, a Waziri Afghan's data (a 67 marker study or higher) and find out exactly how far we differ. It has also been used to study population genetics, and human migration. In the study of human migration, there are two major hypotheses of the origin of R1a1, and they are Eastern Europe and South Asia.

so basically you have indian ancestors...



it's funny how some of you so hate to be associated with persians that you end up becoming indian...lol


oh yeah ...I know you won't like to believe it but R1A1 is found in higher concentration in nepal, bengal and some traces even in sri lanka....


Even J2 is found more in South Asia ... west bengal etc.

[emkhan]

what is R1A1 ?

[Karachi]

so basically you have indian ancestors...



it's funny how some of you so hate to be associated with persians that you end up becoming indian...lol


oh yeah ...I know you won't like to believe it but R1A1 is found in higher concentration in nepal, bengal and some traces even in sri lanka....


Even J2 is found more in South Asia ... west bengal etc.

having R1a1 does not make one indian, especially since the origin of R1a1 is not india proper, like i said its probably northern pakistan, kashmir, Pamir(tajikistan) area, the highest concentration of R1a1 in south/central asia is there, the more south and east you go in india the less R1a1 gets, the reason you find a bit higher r1a1 in bengal is because only bengali brahmins have been tested for the most part and i know many brahmins came from the north of india, areas like (kashmir), India itself has lots of other haplogroups that are not found anywhere else, these haplogroups comes from ancient (ancestor south indians) who were the original people living in india