Pashtun genetics?

[Karachi]

Has one done testing on pashtun genetics??

from some websites results i get that Pashtuns are pretty similar to the Indus people genetically, but again i am not really sure.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...CMLu_oYC#gid=0

^ This Dna testing was done on Peshawari pathans//pashtuns and it revealed that they are pretty close genetically too Sindhis and Burusho(northern pakistan) even Baloch are not too far, Punjabies were not tested but most likely they are similar too. But what about the tribal pashtuns though? would they be a lot different?

[Karachi]

THere is a site called 23andme https://www.23andme.com/

and also if you have questions about the testing or prices or other questions, join this forum, they are desperatly looking for pashtun samples all the time http://dna-forums.org/

[Karachi]

^ i think there are several different types of tests, one looks at your fathers ancestory the other looks at your moms and there is test called Automosal testing, which breaks down all the Dna in yourself and gives a good idea where all of your ancestors came from and where are your closest matches living today

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yeah so that is the major issue with this study. It included various samples from the general populace (not FATA folks), which may throw confounder genes into the mix. Perhaps a proper study would sample from tribal maliks of the some 70 or so major tribes. A possible correlation with well known lineages would be an excellent way to control the quality of the study. There actually are Barakzai, Achekzai, Popalzai, Wazir, Hotak, etc tribal leaderships that could be consented. I dont know maybe one day Admin Khan could use this website to power collective funding for such an endeavor. You could even break down the data into regionality to answer many questions. My prediction is that the Afghan side would see some more contribution from Persian/Uzbek/Tajik genes and the KP side would see some Indic contribution. This would probably taper off on both sides as one approaches the suleiman mountain range/FATA. However, there are claims that FATA folks are in and of themselves a native people that could have possibly become Pashtunized, so that then would be its own confounding data.

[کیش]

^^^^^ all have to disagree with you. With the Persian contributions to the Afghan Pashtuns, and Indic influence to KP pashtuns. That is pretty much saying that were somewhat different. Durand line is just a hundred years old, so what is the difference from a man from Nangarhar, and one from Khyber? they are the same, and the Durand line separated them. Durand line was poorly drawned.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^^^^^ all have to disagree with you. With the Persian contributions to the Afghan Pashtuns, and Indic influence to KP pashtuns. That is pretty much saying that were somewhat different. Durand line is just a hundred years old, so what is the difference from a man from Nangarhar, and one from Khyber? they are the same, and the Durand line separated them. Durand line was poorly drawned.

That is very true. I am noting that empire wise, different groups occupied various Pashtun tribes at various regions. The Safavids covered some regions and the Moghuls covered others. However you are correct and the Pashtuns in general appeard to be a very closed society in terms of marrying outwards. I am basing this on current intermarriage patterns. I know Pashtuns on our side of the line that marry Tajiks, etc. and I hear that some folks do teh same on the other side of the line in terms of marrying Muslims from other ethnic groups.

Dont look at my comment as an allegation that somehow the KP Pashtuns are closet Indians. In fact, various Arbab families and Khattak families have preserved their lineages for centuries.

[Karachi]

I agree with you, i think only Peshawari pashtuns were tested in this study, i think they should test the tribal leaders from FATA. though one thing is that there doesn't seem to be a major difference in populations living with in the vicinity of indus valley, this indicates that long ago, perhaps 5000-10000 years ago the population, these populations were much similar or even same, perhaps in the days of the indus valley civilization. Then later on they spread out and formed different cultural groups, once the indus civilization was gone.

Even Kalash population of Chitral which looks very european has many indus valley genetic components, this says that they are most likely not the decendants of Alexander the great, which some people claim, they seem to be native to the region.

[کیش]

Am not understanding this chart, cam you break it down for dummies. The Pashtun part.

[Karachi]

^ the one in the spreadsheet?

well basically they are indicating what genes pashtuns of peshawar who were tested have from different regions, this is the pashtun results:

Pashtuns:

Central/south asian = 46%
Arabian = 0.3%
East Asian = 0.8%
South indian = 24%
Northern European = 13%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 10.5%
Siberian= 2.9%
Southern European = 0.4%


^ so basically majority of the pashtun genes are central/south asian at 46%, which is today's afghanistan and pakistan, this makes sense and indicates that majority of pashtun genes are native, however as you can see there is large south indian, middle eastern and even northern european component in them, so this indicates that some of these people's ancestors mixed with different groups too at some time. Overall, all populations of the world are pretty mixed.

for example look at these other samples from the spreadsheet

Iranians:

Central/south asian = 31.5%
Arabian = 8.2%
East Asian = 0.6%
South indian = 3.4%
Northern European = 5.2%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 40.9%
Southern European = 4.1%

Sindhis

Central/south asian = 53.2%
west african: 2.4%
Arabian = 0.8%
East Asian = 0.4%
South indian = 27.5%
Northern European = 6.2%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 4.1%
Southern European = 1.5%

Balochis:

Central/south asian = 70%
Arabian = 3.1%
East Asian = 0.4%
South indian = 9.5%
Northern European = 1.8%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 6.3%
Southern European = 4.1%

^ according to the population studied in these charts, sindhis and Burushos seem to be the closest the Peshwari pashtuns, but again it might a bit different depending on different tribes, thats why i agree with a idea to study the head/leaders of each tribe in FATA to indicate (overall) pashtun results

[graveyardofempires]

not again

[fzpz]

Are people in this day in age still wondering about dna and ethnicities? Islam did the world a favor by essentially stating that stuff like this is completely useless. Some many years ago pashtuns and punjabis didn't even exist, they may have existed as one by different names, some time ago a (fill in blank) migrated to blank...yada yada yada. The world, and history is too complicated to go to blows over dna. We all might have had the same father if you go back far enough...

[Karachi]

i found this data interesting: https://spreadsheets...=CMLu_oYC#gid=0


basically they compared (Peshawari Pashtuns) with other city populations from whole region checking the dna Similarity rate to Peshawari Pashtuns

The following are the results, it shows that pashtuns tested are closely related to pashtuns from afghanistan (kabul) also baloch are not far genetically from Peshawari pashtuns. Check the cities listed, interesting results:

Genetic similarity of Peshawari Pashtuns compared to other cities:

Kabul Pashtuns: 96%
Kandahar Pashtuns: 95%
Quetta Baloch: 92%
Srinagar Kashmiries: 85%
Rawalpindi Punjabies: 82%
Herat (Tajik) 78%
Lahore Punjabies: 78%
Amristar Punjabies: 77%
Karachi/Hyderabad Sindhis: 73%
Delhi (urdu/hindi speakers) 72%
Lucknow (Uttarpardesh) 68%
Jaipur (Rajahistan) 67%
Banaras(Uttarpardesh) 64%
Patna (Bihar) 59%
Ahmadabad(Gujarat) 54%
Bhopal (Madhya pradesh) 52%
Dushanbe (Tajikistan) 51%
Tehran (Iran) 50%
Mumbai(Maharashtra) 48%
Dhakha (Bangladesh) 47%
Hyderabad(Andhra Pradesh) 39%
Madras (Tamil Nadu) 28%


^ They cover pretty much all cities in south/central asia. Just shows the the further you go away from Peshawar the lesser genetic similarity gets

[Karachi]

Are people in this day in age still wondering about dna and ethnicities? Islam did the world a favor by essentially stating that stuff like this is completely useless. Some many years ago pashtuns and punjabis didn't even exist, they may have existed as one by different names, some time ago a (fill in blank) migrated to blank...yada yada yada. The world, and history is too complicated to go to blows over dna. We all might have had the same father if you go back far enough...

sorry i didn't mean it that way.

My major is genetics in university, thats why i was interested in this subject

[graveyardofempires]

hell no

[Midnight_Sun]

I know of at least 4 Pashtuns who have done a Y-DNA study, one of them being me.

Of the the 4, two were R1a1 (myself included), and two were from the J group. Would like to correlate these results with others.

I think a database can be made and quite easy for members to submit their data.