Afghan Govt Anti Pashto Designs

[muhsina]

WRUND
You are misisng the argument due to your weak congitive faculties.

Even if Urdu is considered as a langauge [which it is not strictly speaking] and even if we make ourselves fools by thinking that Urdu [which is a Islamised /refined form of Hindi with Parsi cum arabic influence too], it is the political aspect of the languages and not their literary or historical aspect which is important for us. I am also in favour of Pashto but not at the cost of national unity,integrity and sovereignty of Afghanistan.

Yes I agree the Afghan Kings and Monarch did not serve the language as was due but you see the power of state is more important and effective to make contributions to your langauge and culture. Now what I am seeing is that Toramanna and others are bent upon to divide Afghanistan because accordign to their assumptions Tajiks or Parsi is more influential and Pashto is being persianised. This is what is irritating. You need more power to enrich your language and culture and have a respectable positions in the world and for that you need to the power of a state and a respecting attitude towards other languages as long as they are not imposed on you or are a threat to your cultural heritage or national identity and worldly progress.

From the argument being put forward it seems you want to isolate Pashto and Pashtuns from the world to have just a Pashtun state which will not only result in loosing whatever Pashto you have right now but also your politico-economic enslavement by others will follow. This is not acceptible.

As far as Urdu being the national language of Pakistan and being alien to Punjabi is concerned, I think there is no basis of Urdu being the national language [or even a langauge] for Pakistan as even the majority community [Punjabis] in Pakistan are not happy with this decision and Punjabi scholars and literary figures have pointed it times and again. So when we neither have some material benefit nor have some national or historic or ethno cultural basis for making a language to be national then we are justified to say that such a langauge is imposed on us.

[muhsina]

Khayal and sister Muhsina, you are tutological my friends. Look at the impact/effect of something not how did it occur. Whether you struck a melon with a knife or a knife with a melon the end-result is the same i.e., it is the melon that is cut accross. The same is the case with Urdu-Pashto and Dari-Pasho situation with Dari/Urdu as the knives and Pashto as the melon.

Both Dari and Urdu are foreign languages eating on Pashto like a plant sown under a huge tree unable to get nourishment. That is why I insist Pashtuns and Pashto need insulation from both these cultures in the form a distinct territory and political self-rule.

Sister Toramana

These are the only two points which you fail to understand due to having an unjustified bias for Pashto at the cost of Afghan unity and territorial integrity otherwise I agree with your perspective.

[Wrayun]

WRUND

Wo SPAKAY.

You are misisng the argument due to your weak congitive faculties.

You keep misspelling due to your weak typing skills. ;- P

Even if Urdu is considered as a langauge [which it is not strictly speaking] and even if we make ourselves fools by thinking that Urdu [which is a Islamised /refined form of Hindi with Parsi cum arabic influence too], it is the political aspect of the languages and not their literary or historical aspect which is important for us. I am also in favour of Pashto but not at the cost of national unity,integrity and sovereignty of Afghanistan.

Urdu is not a language? Fantastic discovery.

Since you put Afghanistan sovereignty before Pukhto you nullify Pukhtoon claim over Afghanistan as Afghan-e-stan since Pukhto is the language of the so-called Afghans. The very root that has nurtured this state and identity. Thus rendering Afghan-e-stan into A NOT SO MUCH OF a AFGHAN-E-STAN.

Yes I agree the Afghan Kings and Monarch did not serve the language as was due but you see the power of state is more important and effective to make contributions to your langauge and culture. Now what I am seeing is that Toramanna and others are bent upon to divide Afghanistan because accordign to their assumptions Tajiks or Parsi is more influential and Pashto is being persianised. This is what is irritating. You need more power to enrich your language and culture and have a respectable positions in the world and for that you need to the power of a state and a respecting attitude towards other languages as long as they are not imposed on you or are a threat to your cultural heritage or national identity and worldly progress.

You fail to learn from history, respecting the "rights" of others has brought us to this point where Pukhto has become secondary. You can't have any POWER where the state is compromised to begin with. As Toramana has clearly put, you are suffering from a delusional utopian dream. If they have you by the leg, giving them your neck is not a good idea.

[Toramana]

Sister Muhsina, I blame you and Khayal for similar reasons i.e., you are putting Pashto and Pashtuns to more risk by raising the Afghan state above Pashtuns and sacrosanting it as if it is some holy object to be worshiped and to be given more value than Pashtuns themselves.

It is Pashtuns that are primary. Afghanistan exists for Pashtuns (and its other inhabitants) not the other way round. You turn dogmatic like religious people when it comes to the relative significance of Pashtuns and Afghanistan. I blame you people for one other thing as well i.e., that is your exaggeration of the mingling of Pashtuns with Tajaks in terms of marriages. Few hundreds or thousands of people don't count when you are measuring on scale of tens of millions (Pashtuns are fifty millions people).

I also blame you for putting Pashtuns on a path fraught with risk and uncertainty. In all my Pashtun patriotism, I sincerely believe that Pashtuns are not in a position in any sense to dominate others and so should exclusively focuss on themseles for the next few decades to deepen/widen their national integration and expedite the process of nation-making in them. If they embarked on the path you are proposing for them, they may lose many more generations to a futile struggle.

[khyaal]

Toramana tell me one thing. India is the world's second largest English-Speaking country after the US, and the number of English speakers is growing day by day. What in your opinion is the hegemonic power which is promoting English inside present day India?

Do you think the English speaking community has colonised the rest of the population there?

[Toramana]

Toramana tell me one thing. India is the world's second largest English-Speaking country after the US, and the number of English speakers is growing day by day. What in your opinion is the hegemonic power which is promoting English inside present day India?

Do you think the English speaking community has colonised the rest of the population there?

Mr Khayal, you are again utterly wrong and are selecting wrong examples for your comparison and quoting wrong statistics. Despite the 200 years rule by British, hardly 10 millions Anglo-Indian (with English as mother tongue) compared to about 1000 millions Indians existed in India at the turn of 1990 decade (See Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations"). The situation today is not much different. Few million people in a population of 1300 millions is just like "salt in flour "(hahaha, translating Pashto saying).


Pashtuns in comparison to Indians are a small community and cannot afford such incursion. An invasion even on small scale has more impact for Pashtun. Besides, the worrisome aspect of this all is, with foreign cultural invasion and in the absence of real state patronage, development of Pashto and Pashtun Culture becomes arrested.

[Toramana]

Mr Khayal Khan, please read the article below. Not even 1 million people speak English as a first language in India (the actual figure is 226449 for people with English as the first language). The rest speak English as the second language or the third language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ing_population