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    Ignoring the fact that ذ/ث/ح/ع/ف/ق/ص/ض/ط/ظ are not pronounced in Pashto, what are some pronunciation differences in names between Pashto and Arabic?

    I can only think of these:

    Arabic (عربي)| Pashto (پښتو)
    Muhammad (محمد) | Maxmed (مخمد)
    Yusaf (یوسف) | Isep (ایسپ)
    Isma'il (اسماعیل) | Smēl (سمیل)
    Junaid (جنيد) | Junēt (جونیت)
    Faisal (فيصل ) | Pīsel (پېسل)

    I don't think there are much more but I was just curious as to what Pashtunized forms of Arabic names would look like after seeing the same thing in Turkish: Behind the Name: Turkish Names
    Last edited by Sarbani; 01-01-2018, 03:48 AM.

  • #2
    Any name with an 'f' will obviously be pronounce differently by people who can't pronounce the sound.

    'H' sounds (both ه and ح) are occasionally pronounced like a 'kh'.

    A lot of this also depends on education. Educated/urban people will generally pronounce Arabic names similarly to how they're pronounced in Arabic. Uneducated/villager Pashtuns have a tendency to remove vowels and vowel-like sounds, like the Muhammad->Makhmad example you gave. Another I've heard is Hashim->Shum.

    I haven't ever heard anyone pronounce "Junaid" like "Junet."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
      Any name with an 'f' will obviously be pronounce differently by people who can't pronounce the sound.

      'H' sounds (both ه and ح) are occasionally pronounced like a 'kh'.

      A lot of this also depends on education. Educated/urban people will generally pronounce Arabic names similarly to how they're pronounced in Arabic. Uneducated/villager Pashtuns have a tendency to remove vowels and vowel-like sounds, like the Muhammad->Makhmad example you gave. Another I've heard is Hashim->Shum.

      I haven't ever heard anyone pronounce "Junaid" like "Junet."
      The soft 'h'/'ه' usually disappears(becomes silent, at least for me), and the heavy/throaty 'H'/'ح' becomes either a simple 'h' or a 'kh'.
      So for a normal Pashtun the following have the same sound:
      ث ص س: All are 's'
      ت ط: Both a soft 't'
      ض ذ ز ظ: All are soft 'z'
      ض د: Both are soft 'd'
      ع ا: Both are 'a'
      ک ق: Both are simple 'k'

      In conclusion, the following are completely useless and unnecessary sounds/consonants:ذ خ* ع ف ق ث ص ض ط ظ
      Last edited by salman47; 12-28-2017, 03:11 PM.

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      • #4
        Assalamu alaykum and hello,

        "Muhammad" is also pronounced "Mamad" in Afghanistan.

        Manana

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        • #5
          Originally posted by salman47 View Post
          ع ا: Both are 'a'
          The ع is often pronounced as a غ too. For example, the name معاذ is often pronounced مغاز.
          Last edited by Sarbani; 12-29-2017, 07:21 PM.

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          • #6
            I've never heard anyone say Makhmad for Muhammad
            Originally posted by Kaushika

            majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Traveller View Post
              I've never heard anyone say Makhmad for Muhammad
              It is a Pukhto thing i think!!

              *need Pashto speakers to confirm*

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Traveller View Post
                I've never heard anyone say Makhmad for Muhammad
                It's a thing in northern KPK at least.

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                • #9
                  Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                  "Muhammed" in Arabic is pronounced as "Mamad". We also pronounce "Mohammed" as "Mamad".

                  There is the place "Mamad kala" or "Mohammed kala" in Khost province.
                  There is the place "Mamad" in Paktika province.
                  There is "Mamad khel" in north Waziristan.
                  There is the "Muhammedzai" tribe which is pronounced as "Mamadzai".

                  In Turkish "Mohammed" being pronounced as "Mehmet".

                  Manana

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pakthun345 View Post
                    Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                    "Muhammed" in Arabic is pronounced as "Mamad". We also pronounce "Mohammed" as "Mamad".

                    There is the place "Mamad kala" or "Mohammed kala" in Khost province.
                    There is the place "Mamad" in Paktika province.
                    There is "Mamad khel" in north Waziristan.
                    There is the "Muhammedzai" tribe which is pronounced as "Mamadzai".

                    In Turkish "Mohammed" being pronounced as "Mehmet".

                    Manana
                    You do know that you are with that 'Arabs pronounce..' part?

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                    • #11
                      Assalamu alaykum

                      Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                      Brother all languages are related.

                      Manana

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                      • #12
                        Yousef and Esap

                        Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                        The Arabic name "Yousef" is not equivalent to "Esap".
                        When Pashtuns/Pakthuns became Muslim they changed their names to Arabic/Semitic names. "Yousef" in Arabic is derived from Hebrew.
                        "Aspa" is a "mare in Pashto.
                        "Aas" is a horse in Pashto.

                        "Esap" is related to "aspa". Also, "aspa" is a horse in Avestan.
                        "Aspi"/"aspahe" is a mare in Avestan.

                        Pashto/Paktho is an Iranic or Irano-Aryan language and has terms from Avestan.
                        "Ashva" is the Rig veda term for "horse".

                        Manana

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                        • #13
                          Hashmat Ali

                          Assalamu alaykum and hello,

                          "Hashmat" Ali is pronounced "Sham-tali" by some Pakthuns.

                          Manana

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                          • #14
                            Mispronunciations are not part of a language. These names are not written the way they are pronounced by some illiterates and are not meant to be pronounced that way so there is nothing Pashto about it.
                            It is in vain to think of a wilderness distance from the heart.

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                            • #15
                              I think Hišām (هشام) is Šām (شام).
                              Last edited by Sarbani; 01-01-2018, 03:49 AM.

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