State of Pashto Language in Pakistan and how to improve it.

[Samandri]

That's impressive. You say you studied in Urdu medium until 9th grade yet your English is better than that of Pakistanis I know who studied in English medium they whole way through.

In 2009-2010, i could not construct a sentence properly in English, the grammar was very messed up and vocabulary was lacking.......i have learnt and improved English through foruming. Most of the members on this forum are from English speaking countries with neat English so basically i have learnt English by reading their posts and by responding to them.

[Traveller]

Moxet was once an active member here with username 'Sokaniwal'......

Was he driven of by trolls?

[Traveller]

In 2009-2010, i could not construct a sentence properly in English, the grammar was very messed up and vocabulary was lacking.......i have learnt and improved English through foruming. Most of the members on this forum are from English speaking countries with neat English so basically i have learnt English by reading their posts and by responding to them.

Rn my Arabic and Urdu is like that... maybe I should find some Arabic and Urdu forums to practice those languages as I really want to improve them.

[Samandri]

Was he driven of by trolls?

Some thing else. Some guy from defence.pk (from Swat with army background) was poaching here, sending PMs to pro-Pakistani Pashtuns, informing them he had created a forum for patriotic Pashtuns ....Sokaniwal was made an Admin there who changed the name of that site from ************ to Pashtunforum....the site was defence.pk version.2 and it did not succeed from the get go. The Pashtun members from defence.pk, who had arrived to support the new site, lost the interest as they were not into discussing Pashtun matters and only members (including Sokaniwal) with genuine interest in Pashto and Pashtuns were left but they were few.....there Sokaniwal spoke a lot against this forum and its staff and i think because of that he did not return back to PF

Pashtun Forum, specially made for Pakistani Pashtuns

Back then, PF was swarmed by Pashtun nationalists who were lying to the Afghanistan members about the ground realities of Pakistan, they were telling them that majority of Pashtuns in Pakistan are anti-Pakistan and they want Loy Afghanistan or Pashtunistan.........Gullible Admin Khan from America was among those who believed them......these so called Pashtun nationalists were themselves living in foreign countries like America and Canada, and their families were tied to ANP back home......they were able to convince the Afghanistan members that Pro-Pakistanis are minority and should be condemned as traitors. Any one calling himself Pakistani was receiving shkanzalay from every body here......this paved the way for defence.pk to infiltrate this site. I was invited to join defence.pk by a senior Pashtana member there by name of Spring Onion and i was also invited to join the side project ************

[Traveller]

Some thing else. Some guy from defence.pk (from Swat with army background) was poaching here, sending PMs to pro-Pakistani Pashtuns, informing them he had created a forum for patriotic Pashtuns ....Sokaniwal was made an Admin there who changed the name of that site from ************ to Pashtunforum....the site was defence.pk version.2 and it did not succeed from the get go. The Pashtun memebres from defence.pk, who had arrived to support the new site, lost the interest as they were not into discussing Pashtun matters and only members (including Sokaniwal) with genuine interest in Pashto and Pashtuns were left but they were few.....there Sokaniwal spoke a lot against this forum and its staff and i think because of that he did not return back to PF

Pashtun Forum, specially made for Pakistani Pashtuns

Pashtuns are sadly very easily divided. But the admins of this forum do get some blame. A lot of this forum is catered towards Afghans and Anti-Pakistan Pakistani Pashtuns. If a patriotic Pakistani Pashtun(like Moxet/Sokaniwal) saw the motto of this forum he would be turned off. I'm not disputing the validity of the quote but making it your motto does give a certain ideological message. In fact when I was younger and more of a Pakistanist I came across this forum several times but was instantly turned off by the slogan. Some members of this forum have turned this into an anti-Pakistan forum which is wrong. This should be a pashtunforum and made for all Pashtuns with all their different viewpoints and ideologies. I will be honest, one of the things that makes me upset is when a Tajik Afghan nationalist is acctepted on here with no resistance while a proud Pashtun like [MENTION=12154]toughpashtun[/MENTION] is constantly attacked due to his army background. It reminds me of what you said on the other thread about Pashtuns allying with non-Pashtuns against other Pashtuns.

[Traveller]

Some thing else. Some guy from defence.pk (from Swat with army background) was poaching here, sending PMs to pro-Pakistani Pashtuns, informing them he had created a forum for patriotic Pashtuns ....Sokaniwal was made an Admin there who changed the name of that site from ************ to Pashtunforum....the site was defence.pk version.2 and it did not succeed from the get go. The Pashtun members from defence.pk, who had arrived to support the new site, lost the interest as they were not into discussing Pashtun matters and only members (including Sokaniwal) with genuine interest in Pashto and Pashtuns were left but they were few.....there Sokaniwal spoke a lot against this forum and its staff and i think because of that he did not return back to PF

Pashtun Forum, specially made for Pakistani Pashtuns

Back then, PF was swarmed by Pashtun nationalists who were lying to the Afghanistan members about the ground realities of Pakistan, they were telling them that majority of Pashtuns in Pakistan are anti-Pakistan and they want Loy Afghanistan or Pashtunistan.........Gullible Admin Khan from America was among those who believed them......these so called Pashtun nationalists were themselves living in foreign countries like America and Canada, and their families were tied to ANP back home......they were able to convince the Afghanistan members that Pro-Pakistanis are minority and should be condemned as traitors. Any one calling himself Pakistani was receiving shkanzalay from every body here......this paved the way for defence.pk to infiltrate this site. I was invited to join defence.pk by a senior Pashtana member there by name of Spring Onion and i was also invited to join the side project ************

Lies get you no where. It hinders honest discussion. Looking through old threads on this forum I have seen that there were many active members who have left. After the events you have mentioned this forum seemed to have collapsed. Once again tribalism and division is the downfall of everything productive among Pashtuns.

[Traveller]

And there was that Bengal Tiger guy who was also accepted here. Why the f*** would you accept a Bengali while driving off actual Pashtuns.

[Samandri]

Pashtuns are sadly very easily divided. But the admins of this forum do get some blame. A lot of this forum is catered towards Afghans and Anti-Pakistan Pakistani Pashtuns. If a patriotic Pakistani Pashtun(like Moxet/Sokaniwal) saw the motto of this forum he would be turned off. I'm not disputing the validity of the quote but making it your motto does give a certain ideological message. In fact when I was younger and more of a Pakistanist I came across this forum several times but was instantly turned off by the slogan. Some members of this forum have turned this into an anti-Pakistan forum which is wrong. This should be a pashtunforum and made for all Pashtuns with all their different viewpoints and ideologies. I will be honest, one of the things that makes me upset is when a Tajik Afghan nationalist is acctepted on here with no resistance while a proud Pashtun like @toughpashtun is constantly attacked due to his army background. It reminds me of what you said on the other thread about Pashtuns allying with non-Pashtuns against other Pashtuns.

I did not know toughPashtun has background army. It explains his some what emotional and firm (and wrong) defence of Army. If you see the postings of six or seven years ago, you will realize that toughpashtun is actually given a great deal of respect in todays PF because he is a decent person with rational and realistic views........and extreme hardliners who would have viciously attacked him, are no longer active.

[Traveller]

I did not know toughPashtun has background army. It explains his some what emotional and firm (and wrong) defence of Army. If you see the postings of six or seven years ago, you will realize that toughpashtun is actually given a great deal of respect in todays PF because he is a decent person with rational and realistic views........and extreme hardliners who would have viciously attacked him, are no longer active.

I didn't know that he has been here for that long. Btw are Michin khel and Smarty your old IDs. They seem to be you but I can't tell for sure.

[Traveller]

Yea that Bengali_tiger, he was obsessed with me for some reason. He did have many admirers when the PF was at its peak in terms of activity (infested with ANP-walas in the West) but his downfall started when they disappeared from the forum to join facebook and the remnanats of the forum began to notice the lunacy in Bengali. Bengali was even made a moderator of Khyberwatch forum (a dead site of ANP-walas) and he used to frequently boast about that here.

Lol ANP-walas. Call themselves Pashtun nationalists but actually love Indics as long as they are not Punjabi.

[Traveller]

No, toughpashtun is relatively newcomer....what i am trying to say is that if you check the old postings of this site, you will realize that toughpashtun of today is comparatively given a great degree of respect. Back then in 2010-2011 very decent members like toughpashtun were getting viciously attacked by hardliners just because they were calling themselves Pakistani.

Yes i am smarty aka Luffy

Yeah I saw your old post(quoting Bengal Tiger) while searching up sokaniwal's name where you mentioned how you would prefer a respectable Pashtun who is pro-Pakistan over a foul-mouthed nationalist. These nationalists are in reality the enemy of Pashtuns as they like to create division among us and sell themselves out to Hindus. It breaks my heart so much to see or hear about division among Pashtuns.

[Samandri]

Lol ANP-walas. Call themselves Pashtun nationalists but actually love Indics as long as they are not Punjabi.

Their predecessor party Khudai Khidmatgar (remembered as Congress in our areas) was fully ready to join Akhand Bharat but Jinnah and British spoiled their dreams.....

I respect the straight forward and honest rebels like Balochs. But these ANP-walas are munafiqeen and "Mir Sadiqs" of highest order. They are playing "baghal may churi mun may raam raam" games....

[Traveller]

Their predecessor party Khudai Khidmatgar (remembered as Congress in our areas) was fully ready to join Akhand Bharat but Jinnah and British spoiled their dreams.....

I respect the straight forward and honest rebels like Balochs. But these ANP-walas are munafiqeen and "Mir Sadiqs" of highest order. They are playing "baghal may churi mun may raam raam" games....

I have heard the Khudai Khidmatgar weren't as bad. My paternal grandmother's family was active in it o aghai moonz o roje wala khalak di. But everyone in my family who was active in that movement left by the 70s.

[Traveller]

The five year ANP government exposed the Pashtun nationalists of ANP.....extremely corrupt and bayimaan people, life was very suffocating in that period.

They are complete hypocrites. Love to talk about pashto and Pashtuns but will do nothing for our language and identity and will instead blame everything on Punjabis. In addition they are beghairat and are not fit to lead Pashtuns. What Pashtuns need is a ghairatmand and qabil leader with a vision to bring our nation forward.

[Samandri]

I have heard the Khudai Khidmatgar weren't as bad. My paternal grandmother's family was active in it o aghai moonz o roje wala khalak di. But everyone in my family who was active in that movement left by the 70s.

They were zmonj o roza khalak because Bacha Khan was inspired from two figures (1) religious scholar Haji Sahib of Turangzai who was a social reformer and established private schools in Peshawar vale.... (2) Gandhi.....his non-violence philosophy

His brother and sons was another story