Roman Pashto or Arabic Pashto

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Please watch the video completely

The entire transcript of her talk is right here!!!!


She only says "Don't write Latin Characters mixed with Numbers, it's a disaster, that is not our language" And that's only ONE sentence in her entire transcript. ...The rest of the talk is is about English vs. retaining their native Language. That's not evidence of an Organization set up to stop it.

....and This is in Lebanon; one of the parts of the Middle East which was colonized by Europeans. Of course some people there will have an inferiority complex, Just like you and Badun.

Here's the transcrpt: http://www.ted.com/talks/suzanne_tal...pt?language=en

[Brown Skinned Savage]

[MENTION=17791]Happy Khan[/MENTION]

Read the link you cited This is about not replacing Arabic as a language with English. Which was the point of her video. It's about teaching people not to have an inferiority complex and believing the myth that speaking English implies being more educated. NOT changing Arabic script to Latin

Do you even LOGIC?!? How can you be educated when you can't even construct logical responses?

[pashtanajan]

Arabic writing without harakat is hard. You have to memorize the words to know what you're reading. Roman writing is easier since you can phonetically pronounce the words with more ease. I imagine Pashto would be much easier to learn if it were romanized but I don't see this sort of transformation of written Pashto taking place any time soon.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

For people raised speaking it, it's easy to speak using Nakhsh without the wuquf and harakat. It's only for people who were never raised using it is it hard.

I would disagree that learning Roman makes things easier for example dipthongs like "oo" and "uu" same sound, which one to use when transliterating? There are other cases which are even more complicated but that demonstrates how Romanized writing becomes more and more cumbersome.

[Sarbani]

The Roman script would be 100x better for Pashto. I've actually designed my own alphabet for it. The Arabic one is far more complicated to read. Literally the only reason we use the Arabic script is because of religious reasons.

[marwat]

The Roman script would be 100x better for Pashto. I've actually designed my own alphabet for it. The Arabic one is far more complicated to read. Literally the only reason we use the Arabic script is because of religious reasons.

would you care to share?

[Sarbani]

would you care to share?

The top is Roman Pashto, the bottom is the IPA. If you don't know which letter makes which sound, then tell me and I'll post Pashto's Arabic script equivalent.

Consonants:

Bb Cc Čč Dd Ḍḍ Gg Ǧǧ Hh Jj J̌ǰ Kk Ll Mm Nn Ṇṇ Pp Rr Ṛṛ Ss Šš Ṣṣ Tt Ṭṭ Ww Xx Yy Zz Žž Ẓẓ

b ts tʃ d̪ ɖ g ɣ h dz dʒ k l m n ɲ p r ɽ s ʃ ʂ t̪ ʈ w x j z ʒ ʐ


Vowels:

Aa Āā Ee Ēē Ii Īī Oo Uu Yy

a ɑ ə e ɪ i ɵ u ɨ

The letter <y> makes two sounds. If used in the middle or beginning of a word, it makes the [j] sound but if used as the last letter of the word it makes the [ɨ] sound. The reason I didn't choose separate letters for the two different sounds is because there are no instances in Pashto where [j] is used at the end or where [ɨ] is used in the beginning/middle.

[Badlun]

The top is Roman Pashto, the bottom is the IPA. If you don't know which letter makes which sound, then tell me and I'll post Pashto's Arabic script equivalent.

Consonants:

Bb Cc Čč Dd Ḍḍ Gg Ǧǧ Hh Jj J̌ǰ Kk Ll Mm Nn Ṇṇ Pp Rr Ṛṛ Ss Šš Ṣṣ Tt Ṭṭ Ww Xx Yy Zz Žž Ẓẓ

b ts tʃ d̪ ɖ g ɣ h dz dʒ k l m n ɲ p r ɽ s ʃ ʂ t̪ ʈ w x j z ʒ ʐ


Vowels:

Aa Āā Ee Ēē Ii Īī Oo Uu Yy

a ɑ ə e ɪ i ɵ u ɨ

The letter <y> makes two sounds. If used in the middle or beginning of a word, it makes the [j] sound but if used as the last letter of the word it makes the [ɨ] sound. The reason I didn't choose separate letters for the two different sounds is because there are no instances in Pashto where [j] is used at the end or where [ɨ] is used in the beginning/middle.

VOW, This is called real work. Rest is bla bla, Please share it with Face book page Happy khan has mentioned in the start of this thread. Please send it to Pashto Academy in Peshawar and Pashto instututions in Quetta, Kandahar, Jalalabad and Kabul.

If you find an author who can publish a book in this script, I am ready to sponsor its publication.

[marwat]

The top is Roman Pashto, the bottom is the IPA. If you don't know which letter makes which sound, then tell me and I'll post Pashto's Arabic script equivalent.

Consonants:

Bb Cc Čč Dd Ḍḍ Gg Ǧǧ Hh Jj J̌ǰ Kk Ll Mm Nn Ṇṇ Pp Rr Ṛṛ Ss Šš Ṣṣ Tt Ṭṭ Ww Xx Yy Zz Žž Ẓẓ

b ts tʃ d̪ ɖ g ɣ h dz dʒ k l m n ɲ p r ɽ s ʃ ʂ t̪ ʈ w x j z ʒ ʐ


Vowels:

Aa Āā Ee Ēē Ii Īī Oo Uu Yy

a ɑ ə e ɪ i ɵ u ɨ

The letter <y> makes two sounds. If used in the middle or beginning of a word, it makes the [j] sound but if used as the last letter of the word it makes the [ɨ] sound. The reason I didn't choose separate letters for the two different sounds is because there are no instances in Pashto where [j] is used at the end or where [ɨ] is used in the beginning/middle.

this stuff is very difficult for me to understand. i am going to save it with myself,will try basic first

[Sarbani]

VOW, This is called real work. Rest is bla bla, Please share it with Face book page Happy khan has mentioned in the start of this thread. Please send it to Pashto Academy in Peshawar and Pashto instututions in Quetta, Kandahar, Jalalabad and Kabul.

If you find an author who can publish a book in this script, I am ready to sponsor its publication.

Dera manana

I've been changing it around for over a year. I thoroughly studied the IPA and also which letters were used for which sounds in a LOT of languages before finalizing this. I'll share it on Facebook, but I have no idea how to send it to those places yet, if I do though it won't be for a while because I'm currently in America. If you want to send this anywhere, then I don't mind at all if you take credit for it since I only care about getting this standardized.

[HalloIsBack]

This page is bridging the gap between Roman Pashto and Arabic Pashto (y)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pasht...55692151158350

i send them a message via face but still no reply

they should add the english translation so it's easier for non pashto speaker to understand it

[Toramana]

The top is Roman Pashto, the bottom is the IPA. If you don't know which letter makes which sound, then tell me and I'll post Pashto's Arabic script equivalent.

Consonants:

Bb Cc Čč Dd Ḍḍ Gg Ǧǧ Hh Jj J̌ǰ Kk Ll Mm Nn Ṇṇ Pp Rr Ṛṛ Ss Šš Ṣṣ Tt Ṭṭ Ww Xx Yy Zz Žž Ẓẓ

b ts tʃ d̪ ɖ g ɣ h dz dʒ k l m n ɲ p r ɽ s ʃ ʂ t̪ ʈ w x j z ʒ ʐ


Vowels:

Aa Āā Ee Ēē Ii Īī Oo Uu Yy

a ɑ ə e ɪ i ɵ u ɨ

The letter <y> makes two sounds. If used in the middle or beginning of a word, it makes the [j] sound but if used as the last letter of the word it makes the [ɨ] sound. The reason I didn't choose separate letters for the two different sounds is because there are no instances in Pashto where [j] is used at the end or where [ɨ] is used in the beginning/middle.

Very nice.

But aren't there 7 vowels in Pashto?

loor, khoog (in this direction, sweet)
lur, khug (daughter, wounded)
laar (path)
lar (open)
thair (past, last)
thir (backbone)

Cannot find appropriate Pashto word in which the 7th vowel sound occur but it is the middle sound in the following English words.

school, boot, boost,

[Sarbani]

Very nice.

But aren't there 7 vowels in Pashto?

loor, khoog (in this direction, sweet)
lur, khug (daughter, wounded)
laar (path)
lar (open)
thair (past, last)
thir (backbone)

Cannot find appropriate Pashto word in which the 7th vowel sound occur but it is the middle sound in the following English words.

school, boot, boost,

These are all the vowels in Pashto:

a - xar (donkey) - خر
ā - kār (work) - کار
e - sterga (eye) - سترګه
ē - zmarē (lion) - زمری
i - niždy (near) - نژدې
ī - ṣowankī (teacher) - ښونکي
o -mor (mother) - مور
u - lur (daughter) - لور
y - hywād (country) - هېواد

And the 7th vowel you seem to referencing with school, etc. doesn't exist in Pashto. That's present in Urdu and Pashto-speakers that make that sound are either using loanwords or mispronouncing, more likely the former.

[Toramana]

These are all the vowels in Pashto:

a - xar (donkey) - خر
ā - kār (work) - کار
e - sterga (eye) - سترګه
ē - zmarē (lion) - زمری
i - niždy (near) - نژدې
ī - ṣowankī (teacher) - ښونکي
o -mor (mother) - مور
u - lur (daughter) - لور
y - hywād (country) - هېواد

And the 7th vowel you seem to referencing with school, etc. doesn't exist in Pashto. That's present in Urdu and Pashto-speakers that make that sound are either using loanwords or mispronouncing, more likely the former.

I disagree.

The sounds in "a - xar (donkey) - خر" and "e - sterga (eye) - سترګه", which is the so-called "shwa" (in Pashto zabar or zwarakai) is the same sound. Similarly, "ē - zmarē (lion) - زمری" and "ī - ṣowankī (teacher) - ښونکي" (half-closed front vowel same as in English "man" but a bit shorter) is the same sound.

[Toramana]

And sorry the sound "school", "boot", "boost" (or Urdu/Hindi "bhooth" (ghost)) doesn't occur in Pashto. Rather the 7th vowel in addition to the 6 vowels that I have given in my post above is,

zmarae (lion) spae (dog), narae (thin). Its equivalent English sound is as in "man" which is a bit longer.