Predominance of Dari in Afghanistan/Kabul

[Dawezai]

That made me so sad. Dawezai I really feel like donating money to Kabul University Pashto department.

I feel like tearing after I read that. Seriously Dawezai saheb, 70percent of the faculty is Pashtun yet they prefer Dari? Do I have the right to label them as sold outs or no?

Here in the university that I attend (NYU) we used to have 2 professors from Afghanistan both Pashtun and they spoke Pashto with me. They both left for Afghanistan I wonder if they teach in KU.

I can understand your feelings, Aseer Jana. We are working on that. When we told the professors there that we would collect some money for the library, they told us that even if we do that there is no surety that the books we buy for the library would stay there. Anyway, the plan now is to establish a Pashto research centre in Kabul. I believe members of this PashtunForums can play a good role in that.

God bless you.

[Dawezai]

But, here in Occupied Pakhtunwa especially Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, we also have forgotten to pronounce words that contain specific pashto letters.
Btw, to ridicule one isn't always repelling in some matters, in our case here, derision has compelled even illiterate pashtuns to learn Urdu properly, and (sadly) most have learned it .

The case in Pashtunkhwa is totally different. There the state imposes Urdu on us. The educated Pashtun in Pashtunkhwa speak a "Pashto" that is consisting of at least 47% code-switching and loan words. While in Pashtunkhwa, the state patronises Urdu and is deliberately encouraging the downfall of other languages, here in Afghanistan, the state has given security and protection to all the major languages.

My main point is that we, the Pashtuns, ourselves are responsible for not using and promoting Pashto in Kabul and that we should not blame the state and some other ethnicity for it.

We should not justify one bad with another bad and address the issues our language is facing both in Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan.

[Dawezai]

In my opinion its because lack of Pashto teachers.

Majority of the teachers at the Pashto departments in Kabul and Jalalabad universities are PhD doctors.

[Dawezai]

With all due respect to the intellectual discourse, but I do find alarmist opinionS especially regarding Afghanistan. If anything Pashu language is at its peak there, in Pashunkhwa, sadly, there is nothing to be alarmed about. With stability, and the role that communication plays, Pashunkhwa will also become cautious of their language. This site is example. Inshallah.

Pashto is the most endangered language in Pashtunkhwa. We better start another thread on that, I would suggest.

[Nick]

Devanagari is just a script. Written in whatever script, they are still the poems of Amir Khusraw.

Da Afghan pa nang me watharhala thura
Nangyaalay da zamaaney Khushal Khattak yem

We can't reject the above verse not to be of Khushal Baba just because it's written in Romans and that Khushal Baba never wrote in Romans.

I don't trust Wikipedia too when it comes to an opinion but when they cite sources then we have to trust them. However, for your consideration I would like to refer you to the following:
Amir Khusrau's Garden of Cultural Plurality


How?


I am not arguing on whatever his language was. My only point is that he wrote in both the languages - Hindavi and Persian.


Sorry, couldn't follow you here.


Compare the LANGUAGE of the two poems only.


Forget about the Devanagari scrip. Read it in the Romans given at the end of it.


The term 'translation' cannot be used here. The difference between 'translation' and 'transliteration' needs to be understood.


Can you kindly quote some excerpts from his book you read? And, may you please give us the name of that book as well?

It would also be helpful if you could quote some poem of Amir Khusraw in Hndavi which sounds/looks like Persian.

My dear this was my point, he wrote in Farsi and Arabic only, the Farsi we call but he called it Hindawi. Also the reason why i pointed out that he didn't wrote in Devangari script was because the one in Wikipedia is pure Urdu, a language developed at least born 200 or 300 years after his Death. Your point was that modern Urdu was Hindawi Right? which is why I rejected your point, and this is a propaganda. Read this from those who side with your comments and tell me if it makes sense. I personally think its BS the person who wrote the article doesn't have enough knowledge to make sense, he replaced the word Hindawi with Urdu, yes this is what Pakistanis claim and this is from a pakistani prospective "
THE HISTORY OF URDU AND OTHER LANGUAGE SYSTEMS IN SOUTH ASIA
by Moin-Ansari

اردو ھے جس کا نام ھمي جانتے ھین داغ

سارے جہاں میں دھوم ھماري زبان کي ھے

Urdu hai jis ka naam hamin jaantay hain Daagh
Saray jahan main dhoom hamari zaban ki hai!!!
URDU
Urdu is a language spoken and understood by about a billion people on this planet. It is one of the major languages of Asia. It however remains almost totally unknown in the West, especially America. This apathy about Urdu is partly due the fact that the Subcontinent is largely ignored in matters of culture and edification. The Lingua Franca of Northern India is understood by every sixth person on this planet. The resilience of this wonderful language is almost unprecedented. The language crosses culture, religion, creed, caste and national boundaries. With some official patronage in the land of its birth, the language is known by many names. Urdu is spoken in the far corners of the globe.
The original and formal full name of the language is Zaban-e-Urdu-e-Mualla. The long title has been shortened to the nick name Urdu. Urdu papers are published from all major cosmopolitan centers of the planet, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, London, Bradford, Manchester, Toronto, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Islamabad, Lahore, Delhi, Karachi, Srinagar, and hundreds of other cities. Urdu language radio broadcast inundate the airwaves on Short-wave, Medium-wave and FM. Today the language is encroaching the Internet. From the shopping malls of Singapore, to the skyscrapers of Dubai, from the jungles of Nairobi to the beaches of Fiji, from the ski slopes of Kashmir to the streets of London, from the shops of Toronto, to the taxis of Chicago– Urdu is survives as a live and vivacious testament to its speakers.
As varied as Chinese in accent and dialect, it is understood by more people who speak Mandrin. Its history is as controversial as the history of its peoples. Almost as old as English, the language had humble beginnings as a pidgin dialect that slowly evolved into a polished language. Urdu led to the cultural unity of Northern India. It has impacted the British Empire and it effected the lingua franca of the world– English. Many of the words used in English have South Asian origins. Kabob, Sahib, Raja, Qamarband, Bazaar, Pajama, Bengal, Curry, Saffron are only some of the examples of Urdus influence on the rest of
the planet.
In any discussion of cultural and religious unity, and in any discussion of mystical Sufisim, (one of the highest forms of Islamic and religious thoughts), Urdu remains the common factor between the peoples of various religions and creeds of Northern and Western parts of the Subcontinent. According to Barbara Metcalf, (in an interesting discussion on Urdu in her book Islamic revival in India), Urdu was indeed a major factor that led to the Northern Indian Hindu-Skih-Muslim “Mughlea” culture with its lavish architecture and profound literature, and rich Indian-Middle-Eastern-Sino-Central-Asian heritage. Urdu
spans religions and races. It always has and always will. It was the language of Muslim kings and Hindu rajas, and Sikh princes and Parsi courtiers. It spawned a culture and architecture that has survived centuries.
People have died for it, and people are as parochial about it as the Franco-phones are about French in Quebec. Its detractors are jealous of its popularity, and its enemies hate the phenomenal growth the language has seen.
It continues to grow day and night, sometimes at the expense of other languages and dialects.
This article tries to trace the origins or Urdu and other language systems in the South Asian Subcontinent. Though it is relatively a young language it is rich in culture, poetry and literature. This article attempts to trace the genealogy of the language and delineates the differences between Urdu and Hindi.
The article also discusses the other language systems in the South Asian Subcontinent. Let us begin by looking at the linguistic systems in the world.

THE ORIGINS OF URDU
Urdu was influenced by Persian and adopted the Persian script as opposed to the Arabic script. One of the many reasons why the language is spoken around Delhi and developed as a “lingua franca” in the first place was that it was spoken around Delhi, seat of the first and later the most extensive Muslim conquests.
Thus, its vocabulary was heavily influenced by Arabic and Persian right from the time when it began to develop as a separate language.
Mahmud of Ghazni invaded India in 1000 A.D. His second invasion was against Jaypal in 1001. At this time Persian and Arabic was introduced to the subcontinent. Firdausi is considered one of the first poets of Urdu. By the year 1100 the house of Ghaur had been established. The Muslim conquest of India had been formalized. Urdu had begun. The military camps had all sorts of people in them. When they wanted to communicate they spoke their own languages and dialects. These people communicated and gave birth to a new language. Urdu or Askasi was a Turkish word which means “lashkar” or army from a camp. Some called the language “askari” (word also means military in Turkish)."


Pakistan Ledger


My Dear Wikipedia is false do not fall on its BS claims, they posted these two poems to make a point and their point is that language of urdu is as old as Ferdowsi LOL wrong, language of Urdu is less then 500 years old and it was supported by British, they changed and even brainwashed Indics into believing in this BS. Which is why we knew that 400 years Indics speak Farsi just as we did.

The Farsi poem of Khisrow is ok, and its Farsi, but the second poem written in Devangari is not Hindiawi at all but rather modern Hindi, and its Fake because they claim it was Khisrow's poem yes true but it was translated into Hindi.

[Dawezai]

My dear this was my point, he wrote in Farsi and Arabic only

Not only in Persian and Arabic but in Hindavi as well.

the Farsi we call but he called it Hindawi.

Proof?

Also the reason why i pointed out that he didn't wrote in Devangari script was because the one in Wikipedia is pure Urdu, a language developed at least born 200 or 300 years after his Death.

That's not Urdu but Hindavi! Read it again, please.

Your point was that modern Urdu was Hindawi Right?

Hindavi is the mother of Hindi and Urdu.

Personally, I don't believe in the existence of a language called Urdu, it's still Hindi written in Arabic script.

My Dear Wikipedia is false do not fall on its BS claims, they posted these two poems to make a point and their point is that language of urdu is as old as Ferdowsi LOL wrong, language of Urdu is less then 500 years old and it was supported by British, they changed and even brainwashed Indics into believing in this BS. Which is why we knew that 400 years Indics speak Farsi just as we did.

Forget about Wiki and Urdu, please give us an example of Khusraw's Persian poem which he [stupidly] called Hindavi.

The Farsi poem of Khisrow is ok, and its Farsi,

And Amir Khusraw called it Hindavi?

but the second poem written in Devangari is not Hindiawi at all but rather modern Hindi, and its Fake because they claim it was Khisrow's poem yes true but it was translated into Hindi.

Tell us about the difference in modern Hindi and Handavi then.

BTW, what's your point at all?