Predominance of Dari in Afghanistan/Kabul

[Khan]

^ You only read my post but didn't try to understand the point behind it.

Every Afghan should be able to speak both Dari and Pashto besides his/her culture. Not just Pashto because he is from Pashtun ethnic or Dari because he's tajik/hazara.

We are supposed to learn our Country's languages which are Pashto and Dari not just our own tribe or ethnic group's language. Just take a look at former Afghan leaders ( puppet or not puppet) no matter from any tribe they give priority to all languages and spoke both of them.


I'll rest my case, it's Enough.

[amna.]

God is my witness when I say I have nothing against Dari. I do think we should work on developing Pashto so there can be an equal balance between the two. Anyone who thinks the two are equal right now are flat out lying.

[Dawezai]

Dawezai you said the shift had no effect? We are in this situation because of this shift.

It did have an effect but even when the Afghan rulers were based in Kandahar they needed the educated elite of Kabul and the surrounding areas to run state bureaucracy for them there.

For the Afghan rulers Kandahar, geographically, was probably not the best location to rule the country.

[Azmal]

Pashto like german, very hard language to learn, I sometimes talk to my grandma which I have recently meet(she was living with uncle in Germany) sometimes I do not understand what she says and sometimes she does not understand what I say.

[Admin Khan]

Pashto like german, very hard language to learn, I sometimes talk to my grandma which I have recently meet(she was living with uncle in Germany) sometimes I do not understand what she says and sometimes she does not understand what I say.

That's not really an excuse brother, Mandarin has thousands of alphabetical characters yet it has over a billion speakers - don't get me wrong Pashto is complex. I admit it is but that is why its such a beautiful language once you begin speaking it it just sounds so sweet. We should strive in learning Pashto. We are all here to help improve your Pashto grammar and skills.

[Nick]

Nicely said, are you the same Nick from Afghan-web/afghansite forum?

LOL Yes I am.

[Shayesta]

German is actually a very easily language; Both spoken and grammatically.

[Toramana]

Dari speakers /farsiwans are much more progressive and forward thinking. Normally highly educated. You can't blame them for pakthuns lack of imagination and enlightenment.

Typical crap by a non-Pashtun about Pashuns. What by the way has been the creative contribution of your ancestors e.g., Goro Nanak, Ranjit Sigh, Nawaz Sharif, etc., from the land of five rivers to art and knowledge?

[Toramana]

The Dari domination in Kabul and Urdu-Hindi domination in Pakistan is really a problem.

[Toramana]

A pure Pashtun or Pashtun-exclusive state is the only solution to the plight of both Pashtuns and Pashto. We need Pashtunistan instead of some damned Afghanistan or Paakeez-stan.

[Nick]

Its a fact, the real native of Afghanistan are Farsiwaan, read history, Pashton were/are nomads that recently come down to cities...Kandhar, Jalaabad, Gardiz, Asadabad were all Farsi speakers..but this changed when Pashton come down and settle in these area.

False. As a Farsiwan My self reject your baseless claims and flaws.
What you mean by Natives?
a) Population?
b) Ancient Tribes?
c) Langauges?
d) Culture/Tradition/Institution



1. Native by Population?
Are you talking based on Population? Answer Pashtu speakers in linguistically in 20th century they are defined by Westerners as an Ethnic group called Pashtuns. I am sure you should know about them and therefore Afghanistan by far is more like Pashtunistan, simply because Pashtu speakers are dominated by far representing more than half of the population, although Pashtuns themselves claim to be 70% by I would assume not more than 55%.

2. Native by tribes? Tribal names is what identified a group of people with common family affiliation, mostly very conservatives therefore they can be given the ownership of Afghanistan. Tribal names either Pre-Islamic or Post-Islam, many Afghan tribes have been mentioned in both Islamic and Ancient kufari books. Do you want reference to those Names of the tribes and their settlement that does not only goes south but as far to tip of Amo Darya and in the Land of modern Iran. Let me know Please if you are not educated about their tribal names. Since Afghanistan is a Tribal society and history has always been, its far enough reference that you don't need to look up anywhere else. To make my point Natives are the tribes, and those tribes who are identified in Ancient books. Despite the Ancient tribes associated with Afghanistan/Iran/Pakistan have adapted Multilingualism does not make weaker as Monoglottism society, Unfortunately for your information majority of the tribes that were mentioned pre-Islamic or Post Islamic due speak Pashtu, therefore Monoglottism also exists in their society making them "Afghan Race" stronger. Therefore pin-pointing to Pashtuns and pashtuns getting the credit, Agian Pashtuns are owners.

3. Native by Language? Again Native? Very simple word "Native" but very completed if you are lost and you don't know your past history. Which is why in this case tribalism is good. What is the native language of Afghanistan? Do you think Farsi is native or mixed of many languages? Once you answered this question. You will come to conclusion that Farsi may partly be "native" but fully and technically a non-Native, because 51% of Farsi is Arabic, 25% is Parthian, Which mean 76% of this language is not associated with Afghan Land. Unfortunately my Language Dari does not get the Credit for being native, however due to Afghan involvement in making this language to become a language, and speaking this language since day one we try to steal it and make it our own. The very fact stands that Arabs, Indians, Altaic and most importantly Iranians also play a major rule, therefore it does not only belong to Afghans, or Iranians but rather to the Islamic world.


Native Culture/Tradition/Institution? Well Culture and tradition etc these are always changing just like language, and they changed based on laws of human societies. Look at it our culture from every angle and you will notice Afghan laws, we Farsiwans call "Afghanyat" or as Pashtuns proudly nowadays call it Pashtwunwali. The way we dress, the way we celebrate/dance, the way we eat, the how we pasture, and make food. Even the way behave it all dates back to the laws of our society, and our society is run by Ancient tribal laws. Since Pashtu speakers are dominated in practicing these laws, to the eyes of Muslim world a practice banned, but yet conservative are these Afghans, and finally a general statement came from Khilafah that "Afghan Race have accepted half of Quran and rejected the other half"

Maybe a deep Sociolinguistics research would due you a great help, because you can't use the words "Pashtun" or "Farsiwan". The very is that Only Afghans are natives of Afghanistan. What does it mean to be Afghan. Somebody who is aligned with Afghanyat.

ere all Farsi speakers..but this changed when Pashton come down and settle in these area

LOL Where are sleeping, the extremist lingumastic believe that all their Pashtuns going north lost their language and here you claim that few immigrants can influence the whole population.
LOL you know what you are saying? lets like few punjabi sikhs coming to Kabul and influencing the Kabulis to speak "Punjabi" LOL From what I know majority of them speak Pashtu or Dari, and have forgotten their own punjabi.


Historically speaking Northern Afghanistan is closed by Amo and its natural frontiers, but on summer time open to few months, which is why invaders like Changis could easily come. In fact the latest massacre came from Timurids in Badakhshan/Iran, and Mongolian in much of the world. Afghanistan's northern region was completely destroyed. Overall Ghangis killed off 25% of Afghanistan, and that represented 75% of northern regions. Therefore your claim of "Pure North" no-longer exists. And that 25% natives are still there and just because few Ghalzai's were pushed north does not mean "Shrinkage of Farsiwans" or to make it "Pashtunistan" but rather it was due to political conflict. Today 35-40% of Northern Region are Pashtuns and that does not mean all of them being immigrants, you sound like when Pashtuns claim that all Tajiks are immigrants simply because 1 million Tajiks immigrated (880-1925) in Afghanistan since Russian invasion in Turkestan. The fact that many Afghan Dari speakers are not Tajiks of those Turkic race but rather "sons of Afghanistan".

[Nick]

The native of Iran are Meds, Persian and others, while native of Tajikistan just like Afghanistan were Bactrians, Soghdians, Sakas, Persians, Parthians, Medians...BUT today the people of North, western Iran(tranagle of Esfahah, Tabriq and Tahran) are racially Turks that had adopted Farsi as language.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1502189.stm

"DNA samples from Iran show far fewer Indo-Iranian markers in the west of the country, despite an Indo-Iranian language being dominant across the region."

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/18/10244maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=wells&fulltext=eurasian&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1082503865137_11742&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1

Today Tajikistan are also mixed, there are Turko-Mongol and then there are those Indo-Iranians.

BTW your second Link Doesn't work but I have a like that states majority between 60-80% of Tajikistan's population have Mongolian linkage.
Now ask me I have lived in Tajikistan for 4 years. I have seen it with my own eyes majority of them looks like our hazaras n uzbeks, once a while you have some with "Russian blood" or Georgian blood like Shabnam Soraya, or Sayidi claims mainly Ismailis. Your first link also confirmed ""Central Asians speaking Turkic languages, they derive much of their genetic heritage from the conquering Mongol warriors of Genghis Khan"

The native of Iran are Meds, Persian

I have to teach you some history LOL define Persian and Define "Medes" cause hey the first Indo-Iranian group in Iran were the Medes LOL so where did Persians come from? LOL

.BUT today the people of North, western Iran(tranagle of Esfahah, Tabriq and Tahran) are racially Turks that had adopted Farsi as language.

Oh So you nicely claim that Northern and Western Iran are racially "Turkics" and you reject the facts by Abu Qasam Ferdowsi that pin points region of modern Tajikistan was always land of Turks? and here you claim that "while native of Tajikistan just like Afghanistan were Bactrians, Soghdians, Sakas, Persians, Parthians, Medians"
Why do you bring "Bactrian, Persians, Sakas and Parthians into this "Tajikistan" of yours are you related to one of those "Tajikam" dudes, is your forum really death. BTW how is Tajikistani Kid Gul Agha? I won't why you ignore my posts. Welcome to the Forum. I thought you were a Farsiwans, but you are Tajikistani possing as a Farsiwan.
Anyways whoever you maybe, you knowledge of history is weak as well.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Nick he said he is a Pashtun who speaks Dari.

isn't that a Farsizuban?

[Dawezai]

Dawezai what makes you say that?

If you study the map of Afghanistan and the see the geographical contiguity of both Kandahar and Kabul with the rest of Afghanistan then you will find it out.

[Alia]

dari is persian and pashto is afghan
and we are afghans so we should speak pashto