Pashto Purification Thread

[Gulalai]

A while ago there was a facebook page called "Pashto Purification" where members and admins would post a word commonly heard in the Pashto language which isn't actually a Pashto word. A lot of the posts were useful and interesting. The page has been deleted now so I thought it would be nice if we started a thread with the same idea.

The only problem I had with the page was that sometimes they were being way too picky. It is apparent that Pashtuns have been incorporating a lot of Urdu, Farsi and even Arabic terms into their Pashto, but at the same time we have to notice that sometimes some words are just commonly used in all of these languages. For example, one person had posted that "balakh" was a Farsi or Urdu (i dont remember which) term for pillow... but no one could think of the original pashto word for pillow. For another example, the term "awal (first)" is an Arabic term, but i feel like awal is so commonly used in pashto that it is pashto.

Either way it is still important to learn the origins of words and other Pashto terms. This is not intended to hate on Urdu or Farsi, its to keep the Pashto language alive. Also, if anyone makes a mistake respectfully correct them. We're not all scholars here so lets learn form each other. Now with all that being said lets begin.


Word: Pata (know)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: Khabar / خبر

Word: Darwaza (door)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: War / ور

Word: Khala (aunt)
Language: Farsi/Dari
Pashto Term: Tror / ترور

[Kushan Prince]

There are differences between Pashto dialects and not all the words will sound the same. For example eastern/northern pashto will differ from southern (Kandahari Pashto.)

Another word for aunt in Pashto is "Ama"

For example in southern Pashto the word for friend is "Malgalara" while in the northern dialect it is "Andiwal."

Of course this differs in province and tribe too.

[Gulalai]

There are differences between Pashto dialects and not all the words will sound the same. For example eastern/northern pashto will differ from southern (Kandahari Pashto.)

Another word for aunt in Pashto is "Ama"

For example in southern Pashto the word for friend is "Malgalara" while in the northern dialect it is "Andiwal."

Of course this differs in province and tribe too.

Yes, of course there are terms that differ from dialect to dialect, but the point of this thread is to point out non-Pashto words.
Tror is the most basic and general word for aunt, there are a variety of terms (ama, mami, etc) but khala is not one of them.

Northerners use "malgare" for "friend" too.

[Kushan Prince]

Yes, of course there are terms that differ from dialect to dialect, but the point of this thread is to point out non-Pashto words.
Tror is the most basic and general word for aunt, there are a variety of terms (ama, mami, etc) but khala is not one of them.

Northerners use "malgare" for "friend" too.

I understand that but maybe you should include those words as well since Pashto sometimes has more than one word for something.

That was my point for the last post.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

There are differences between Pashto dialects and not all the words will sound the same. For example eastern/northern pashto will differ from southern (Kandahari Pashto.)

Another word for aunt in Pashto is "Ama"

For example in southern Pashto the word for friend is "Malgalara" while in the northern dialect it is "Andiwal."

Of course this differs in province and tribe too.

Ama is not pashto. Its borrowed. Just like andiwal. Andiwal is a corruption of ham-diwal (neighbor) which is farsi. These words are not related to dialacts. They are alien.

[jankhan]

A very good effort, we should appreciate and we should try to speak pure pashto as much as possible. I am really disappointed with the pashto my people speaks in my country.
I appreciate the pashtuns of Afghanistan who speak much better than us.

Thanks

[Kushan Prince]

Ama is not pashto. Its borrowed. Just like andiwal. Andiwal is a corruption of ham-diwal (neighbor) which is farsi. These words are not related to dialacts. They are alien.

My family has been using these words for as long as i can remember. I'm sure its a dialect problem here since not all pashtuns will know or have heard of these words. I know i haven't.

As for farsi, isn't the word for friend dost? i'm not 100% sure on the andiwal one.

[Bost Bastan News]

A while ago there was a facebook page called "Pashto Purification" where members and admins would post a word commonly heard in the Pashto language which isn't actually a Pashto word. A lot of the posts were useful and interesting. The page has been deleted now so I thought it would be nice if we started a thread with the same idea.

The only problem I had with the page was that sometimes they were being way too picky. It is apparent that Pashtuns have been incorporating a lot of Urdu, Farsi and even Arabic terms into their Pashto, but at the same time we have to notice that sometimes some words are just commonly used in all of these languages. For example, one person had posted that "balakh" was a Farsi or Urdu (i dont remember which) term for pillow... but no one could think of the original pashto word for pillow. For another example, the term "awal (first)" is an Arabic term, but i feel like awal is so commonly used in pashto that it is pashto.

Either way it is still important to learn the origins of words and other Pashto terms. This is not intended to hate on Urdu or Farsi, its to keep the Pashto language alive. Also, if anyone makes a mistake respectfully correct them. We're not all scholars here so lets learn form each other. Now with all that being said lets begin.


Word: Pata (know)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: Khabar / خبر

Word: Darwaza (door)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: War / ور

Word: Khala (aunt)
Language: Farsi/Dari
Pashto Term: Tror / ترور

Excellent post! Thank you!

Word: Khala (aunt): Turkish. Farsi and Dari equvalent of it would be ''amah''.

Word: Darwaza (door): Farsi and Dari. Also used as Darbaz. Darwaza is more eastern version

Pashto Term: Khabar /خبر : Arabic

Pashto Term: War / ور (maybe in Waziri or Burki dialects. At home we use Darwaza). You know that beautiful song sta pa darwaza banday zama da malangi mosim or charta darzama sta dar kor pa darwaza lakama da kali khalqo bewafa janan ma dalta osay

"Andiwal'' : Dari. Meaning like ''sharing the same wall'' or close neighbour. Translated as friend among people with not high education. But it a very old world only existing in Afghanistan and some parts of Uzbekistan where Farsiwans live. Another word for friend would be ashina. its quit common in Pashtu but is also borrowed from either arabic or dari. Sindhis use ashina as well or dostu and rafaqat which all are original dari farsi and arabic. Also yarand in dari and farsi or in panjabi and pashtu as yara common. Miskinyar (friend of innocence/poor). Malgara sounds too non-Pashtu. It may been adopted from an older Indian language existing within Pashtu-speaking regions or belonging regionally to Sindh. Maybe could be brahui or dardic Catalog Record: A new etymological vocabulary of Pashto | Hathi Trust Digital Library A New Etymological Vocabulary of Pashto - SOAS Research Online (I have pdf file of this).

[ډګروال]

a while ago there was a facebook page called "pashto purification" where members and admins would post a word commonly heard in the pashto language which isn't actually a pashto word. A lot of the posts were useful and interesting. The page has been deleted now so i thought it would be nice if we started a thread with the same idea.

The only problem i had with the page was that sometimes they were being way too picky. It is apparent that pashtuns have been incorporating a lot of urdu, farsi and even arabic terms into their pashto, but at the same time we have to notice that sometimes some words are just commonly used in all of these languages. For example, one person had posted that "balakh" was a farsi or urdu (i dont remember which) term for pillow... But no one could think of the original pashto word for pillow. For another example, the term "awal (first)" is an arabic term, but i feel like awal is so commonly used in pashto that it is pashto.

Either way it is still important to learn the origins of words and other pashto terms. This is not intended to hate on urdu or farsi, its to keep the pashto language alive. Also, if anyone makes a mistake respectfully correct them. We're not all scholars here so lets learn form each other. Now with all that being said lets begin.


Word: Pata (know)
language: Urdu
pashto term: Khabar / خبر

word: Darwaza (door)
language: Urdu
pashto term: War / ور

word: Khala (aunt)
language: Farsi/dari
pashto term: Tror / ترور

ډیر ښه
زما په خیال "پته" پښتو لغت دی
په دی چی په اردو کښی ډیر پښتو لغات شته.
بل داسی لغت "ګاړی" دی چی په اردو کښی موټر ته وایی
ځنی لغات په پښتو کښی نه شته په هم دی د نورو ژبو څخه
اغستل شوې دې .

انډیوال ملګری ته وایی او دا درواغ دی چی دا د پارسی لغت دی.
دی ورزو کښی پارسیوانان هم دا لغت استعمالوی.

خاله او ترور دوه جلا لغات دې
ترور د پلار خور ته وایل کیږی اوخاله د مور خور ته

[ډګروال]

maybe in your pseudo-''Aryan'' world. Ever thought that those words could be original dari words you call Pashtu? Everyone knows who have born and grown in Afghanistan that andiwal is a dari word. For your silly claims you need to provide us sources and dictionaries. We use mostly ashna than andiwal. Only among non-Pashtuns we use andiwal.

i was born and raised in Afghanistan and no Andiwal is a pashto word which is also used by some farsiwanan.

ashna , andiwal , malgaray , are pashto words

while in dari they say dost, rafiq , and lately use the pashto word andiwal.

hamdiwal means neighbour and has nothing to do with andiwal.

now dont derail this thread .

i know it hurts you when you hear about Pashto.

[sherryafg]

Very good analysis Gulalai jan

[Gulalai]

ډیر ښه
زما په خیال "پته" پښتو لغت دی
په دی چی په اردو کښی ډیر پښتو لغات شته.
بل داسی لغت "ګاړی" دی چی په اردو کښی موټر ته وایی
ځنی لغات په پښتو کښی نه شته په هم دی د نورو ژبو څخه
اغستل شوې دې .

انډیوال ملګری ته وایی او دا درواغ دی چی دا د پارسی لغت دی.
دی ورزو کښی پارسیوانان هم دا لغت استعمالوی.

خاله او ترور دوه جلا لغات دې
ترور د پلار خور ته وایل کیږی اوخاله د مور خور ته

za fikr kawom che "pata" kho urdu tike de ao sama pakhto ke na razi, zaka khali pekhawar ke der wayel kegi.

wo, hum dase ma hum waile che kala kala kam tikai che yi hagha ba pakhto yi ao farsi ya urdu tike ba hum yi ao haghe ke sa ghalati nishta. Laka was "موټر" kho bekhi english tike na raghale "motor"

Khala kho bekhi farsi tike de. Khabara yema che da plar khor ta tror wayel kegi kho da me kala na di awredali che da mor khor ta khala wayi.

Da iranayno farsi ke tror ta hum ameh wayi ao khaleh wayi, so now i'm assuming both ama and khala are derived from farsi.

Your'e saying andiwal is dari but dari itself has 45% pashto vocab lol.

that's true, its better to compare it to actual farsi instead of dari since dari has adopted many pashto words.

[Gulalai]

Word: Awal (first)
Language: Arabic
Pashto Term: Wrombay / ړومبى

Word: Garam (warm)
Language: Farsi & Urdu
Pashto Term: Tod

Word: Sawal (question)
Language: Farsi & Urdu
Pashto Term: Pokhtana / پوښتنه

Word: Kapra (cloth)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: Rakht / رخت

Word: Sahi (correct)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: Sam / سم


Though I feel as if "garam" and "awal" are considered pashto words too, no?

Very good analysis Gulalai jan

hahaha go away.

Why don't you shed some light. Do you guys use the term "andiwal" in dari?

[sherryafg]

Word: Awal (first)
Language: Arabic
Pashto Term: Wrombay / ړومبى

Word: Garam (warm)
Language: Farsi & Urdu
Pashto Term: Tod

Word: Sawal (question)
Language: Farsi & Urdu
Pashto Term: Pokhtana / پوښتنه

Word: Kapra (cloth)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: Rakht / رخت

Word: Sahi (correct)
Language: Urdu
Pashto Term: Sam / سم


Though I feel as if "garam" and "awal" are considered pashto words too, no?



hahaha go away.

Why don't you shed some light. Do you guys use the term "andiwal" in dari?

Yeah we use the word "Andiwal" for "friend" but "Amdiwal" would mean "Neighbour." That's what they used when I visited Kabul as well. It may differ throughout different regions though.

[Bost Bastan News]

he should write own dictionary and textbook of pashto

pseudo-experts on Pashtu At least Dagarwal and his friend Kushan princess defend on their own stupid way our -ism. One day they will also have the knowledge.

while in dari they say dost, rafiq , and lately use the pashto word andiwal.

rafiq is arabic but common in dari and pashtu, so is ashna in dari, panjabi, siraki, baluchi and other languages. Andiwal is exclusively from kaboli dialects of dari or eastern farsiwan dialects and some use it even in uzbekistan right behind the border as hamdiwar. Pashtu adoptet it via Kabulis Darispeaking Logaris and Laghmanis. Just Farsi (Iran) dont know andiwal because andiwal is an eastern word and maybe archaic but for sure old. The words you mentioned, except malgarai are used in dari and pashtu.

''I last saw Tim Hetherington exactly a month ago in Brooklyn, the night before he left for Libya. I can’t remember the last time I saw Chris Hondros: It might have been years ago, probably in Baghdad. As I search for the right word to describe our relationship, I can’t honestly call it friendship. The closest concept that comes to mind is “andiwal,” a Persian word that translates roughly as “bonds of war.” We were part of a network of professional war tourists, and we sometimes crossed paths in the distant, messed up places that rational people avoid. I can barely remember their photographs, even as I struggle to rationalize their deaths, or justify the risks they took to make them.''

KIA in the Age of Facebook | Dart Center for Journalism & Trauma

The Psychology of Friendship and Enmity: Relationships in Love, Work ... - Rom Harré, Fathali M. Moghaddam - Google Books
KĀBOLI

''Phonology. The eight-vowel system of Kāboli is typical of eastern Persian dialects in having lost length distinction. The qualitative distinction that remains additionally distinguishes Stable vowels, which do not vary in quality even when unstressed (î, ê, â, ô, û in Table 1, corresponding to the long vowels of Classical Persian), and Unstable vowels, which may vary in quality when unstressed (a, i, u, historically the short vowels).


Kāboli vowels exhibit considerable variation across dialect and even idiolect. Thus, â may be more rounded [ɒ], as in the Panjšēr valley, or less so [ɑ], as in Kabul city. Unstable i and u may be articulated lower, closer to Persian e and o (as they are transcribed in some descriptions of Kāboli). The paired vowels î [i] and i [ɪ], û [u] and u [ʊ], may share the same point of articulation and in fact differ in other features (tense vs. lax, or long vs. short).



Flapped or trilled r is replaced by l in some words: dêwâl ‘wall,’ andêwâl ‘neighbor’ (< ham-dêwâr ‘sharing a wall’), sayl kardan ‘to look’ (< Arab. sayr ‘stroll, look around’). In some high-frequency words, non-initial r is lost: byâdar ‘brother’ (< birâdar), kadan ‘to do,’ kadum ‘I did’ (< kardam).''
K?BOLI ? Encyclopaedia Iranica

Bachem, the word "dari" itself was created by pashtuns for your langauge

in Afgahnistan only gays say bachem to their boys ...you knew this? lol thank you. Now i know you better. No interest, sir.

Dari means court. It is shortened from Darbar you uneducated ''linguist scholar''. If you hail from north you would know that every second person there use the word andiwal. Actually all, every youth I have met ...