A Look at the Karlani Dialects of Paktia and Wardak - For Haris

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Ohh that!!
I have never heard Kokhakh or khikha, this is the first time!!

P.S. I would pronounce them as 'Koshish' and 'Shisha'

Strangely, my family are from Ghazni, we would also say "Koshish, shisha" but we are a munga dialect.

[maneatinglizard]

Strangely, my family are from Ghazni, we would also say "Koshish, shisha" but we are a munga dialect.

So which dialects say those words with a kheen?

I assume there has to be some dialect that pronounces them that way, otherwise why wouldn't they just be spelled with the Arabic sheen?

[Traveller]

I think "kokhikh" and "khikha" are examples of words that are only "Kha-ified" in certain northern dialects and not uniformly "khai-ified". "Rekhtya" is another example of such a word. In most northern dialects it is pronounced as "reshtya" but in some areas(I think Swabi is one of those areas) it is pronounced as "rekhtya."

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

So which dialects say those words with a kheen?

I assume there has to be some dialect that pronounces them that way, otherwise why wouldn't they just be spelled with the Arabic sheen?

I think the reason why we'd say dushman and koshish is because that's how Farsiwan say those words. Because as Traveller mentioned we say words like rikhtia and kha and khaghalai more in line with munga-kha dialect.

[Nekrofrost]

So which dialects say those words with a kheen?

I assume there has to be some dialect that pronounces them that way, otherwise why wouldn't they just be spelled with the Arabic sheen?

Mostly just the north most regions with the yousafzais in them like swat,malakand,buner,dir,etc.

[Nekrofrost]

Well rikhtya is even said in peshawar. Rikhtya is actually one of those words that i didnt realise till recently that only i said differently among my friends from like charsadda and mardan and **** as well.

[Nekrofrost]

Zazi in Paktia.

That explains it. Btw do zazi speak closer pashto to the people of kurrma agency or to the pashto of khost or waziristan etc?

[salman47]

Ive heard weird ones like dukhman and farikhta(angel). They make me laugh.

I have heard them as well, so i am a bit familliar with those.
I would pronounce them as 'Dushman' and 'Parekhta'(I would more likely use 'Khaperey' instead)

[salman47]

Strangely, my family are from Ghazni, we would also say "Koshish, shisha" but we are a munga dialect.

I guess our pronunciation would be similar then!

[salman47]

Strangely, my family are from Ghazni, we would also say "Koshish, shisha" but we are a munga dialect.

I think the reason why we'd say dushman and koshish is because that's how Farsiwan say those words. Because as Traveller mentioned we say words like rikhtia and kha and khaghalai more in line with munga-kha dialect.

I would be pronouncing them as 'Rishtya', 'Kha' and 'Shaghlai'
Also when the first time I heard 'Rikhtya', I got so confused I was debating in my head('is Rikhtya right or Rishtya?').lol.[I was small child. But now I know about the dialects of our beautiful Pashto]

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I would be pronouncing them as 'Rishtya', 'Kha' and 'Shaghlai'
Also when the first time I heard 'Rikhtya', I got so confused I was debating in my head('is Rikhtya right or Rishtya?').lol.[I was small child. But now I know about the dialects of our beautiful Pashto]

I have an uncle named Reshtin and we use "sha" instead of Kha for his name, despite saying rikhtia in conversation ...I dunno, our family does have origins in Kandahar but that's from over several generations ago, dialectical peculiarities would more than likely have eroded away over time. I think a lot of the dialectical crossover happens with people from Paghman too.

[maneatinglizard]

That explains it. Btw do zazi speak closer pashto to the people of kurrma agency or to the pashto of khost or waziristan etc?

It should be very similar to Kurram. Zazi and Turi are very close tribes after all.

We make fun of Waziri Pashto lol. To us it sounds strange, even though speakers of more standard dialects may think our Pashtos close.

[Nekrofrost]

It should be very similar to Kurram. Zazi and Turi are very close tribes after all.

We make fun of Waziri Pashto lol. To us it sounds strange, even though speakers of more standard dialects may think our Pashtos close.

Haha yeah it is kinda strange compared to yalls pashto. To me tho the funny part of it is gone cuz i pretty much learnt wazirwola/zadronwola from friends like one of my best friends is from waziristan and i have a friend who is a paktyawal zadran plus i have cousins who are married to bannusian so i can pretty much kinda speak like a wazir.

Btw culturally do zazais and turis etc. share the same culture of the whole loya paktia region with the music,loghat, the huge pakols and long hair or nah?

[maneatinglizard]

Haha yeah it is kinda strange compared to yalls pashto. To me tho the funny part of it is gone cuz i pretty much learnt wazirwola/zadronwola from friends like one of my best friends is from waziristan and i have a friend who is a paktyawal zadran plus i have cousins who are married to bannusian so i can pretty much kinda speak like a wazir.

Btw culturally do zazais and turis etc. share the same culture of the whole loya paktia region with the music,loghat, the huge pakols and long hair or nah?

Each tribe within Loya Paktia has some differences, but yeah, we do have many of the unique vocabulary. We have some of our own that I don’t think others do, and our pronunciation is different, but it’s closer to others in the area than Kandahari or Peshawari Pashto (or that of any of the big cities).

Not sure what you mean by huge pakols. Traditionally we wore turbans, but nowadays pakils are popular too. Long hair is pretty common, but not as much as it used to be.

Music I think is pretty similar. Gharaney sanadarey are popular in Zazi.

[Sarbani]

Each tribe within Loya Paktia has some differences, but yeah, we do have many of the unique vocabulary. We have some of our own that I don’t think others do, and our pronunciation is different, but it’s closer to others in the area than Kandahari or Peshawari Pashto (or that of any of the big cities).

Not sure what you mean by huge pakols. Traditionally we wore turbans, but nowadays pakils are popular too. Long hair is pretty common, but not as much as it used to be.

Music I think is pretty similar. Gharaney sanadarey are popular in Zazi.

I kinda hope the turbans make a comeback. They looked pretty cool, especially on Mirwais Hotak here: