Give Pashto official status!

[tor_khan]

^ I can't talk of unity when it comes at the cost of my country, like how some people in here want that to happen. People are throwing accusations towards Afghanistan but when some points are pointed out in Pakistan then it becomes 'dividing' Pukhtoons. There is always a tit for tat.

Shayesta - what country are you talking about? You live in England. I suspect you are speaking about the current boundaries of Afghanistan as "your country" in which case you can thank the British who gave you them.

Those Afghans/Pashtoons who were drawn into British India also had no choice in 1893 and since 1947 to present they've had no choice and if they are affected by the other languages around them, then again, chances are likely they had no choice.

Forget tit for tat because we need to start somewhere and oneupmanship is the India-Pakistan game. I don't see what benefit to any argument is had by trying to 'blame' what has happened to Pashtoons on each other. Trust me, if I could, I would change history with a huge eraser, but I can't, and you can't - we inherit the history of the people before us, the choices that were made and the lies that were told.

Sure, many Pashtoons in Pakhtunkhwa are in a state of being in delusion and that may be an obstacle for you personally, but for me, it is part of the challenge, the re-awakening and the need for us all to unite. That is Pashtoons from Pakistan, Afghanistan and dare I say it those living in other places like England.

P.S. I love Afghanistan with my heart and Pashtoons with my guts and humanity with by brain.

[Shayesta]

Shayesta - what country are you talking about? You live in England. I suspect you are speaking about the current boundaries of Afghanistan as "your country" in which case you can thank the British who gave you them.

Yes, I live in England. Same England which successfully divided us into two pieces and we very shamelessly let it happen. But my heart and mind lies in Afghanistan and that's place I am gonna spend my future, Inshahlah.

Those Afghans/Pashtoons who were drawn into British India also had no choice in 1893 and since 1947 to present they've had no choice.

I know in 1893 people of Pakhtunkhwa had absolutely no choice, and I blame Abdur Rahman Khan and Abdur Rahman Khan only for that. Not people of Pakhtunkhwa.

and if they are affected by the other languages around them, then again, chances are likely they had no choice.

Now this is what I disagree with. There are plenty of other Afghan ethnics who are surrounded by Pukhto and Dari since centuries but yet they speak their language absolutely fluently even after centuries, but those in Pakhtunkhwa (at least majority of them) couldn't keep Pukhto 'pure' for even six decades. By keeping Kandahar as the capital we could easily have made Afghanistan a dominating Pukhto speaking country, but we didn't and all that thanks to a fool named Temor Shah Abdali. We Pukhtoons are just weak by nature when it comes to Pukhto and this is a fact, I am sure those non-Pukhtoons who came to Pekhawer didn't 'force' Pukhtoons to start counting in Urdu, did they? And nor did they told them to speak half Pukhto and half Urdu/English, did they? Same wise none had stopped Pukhtoons in Afghanistan to make Pukhto a dominating language in Kabul all those centuries ago, but now when it's too late Pukhtoons have started to wake up.

I don't see what benefit to any argument is had by trying to 'blame' what has happened to Pashtoons on each other. Trust me, if I could, I would change history with a huge eraser, but I can't, and you can't - we inherit the history of the people before us, the choices that were made and the lies that were told.

Once again, I only blame Abdur Rahman Khan for what happened over a century ago. Maybe even Afghans should have kept fighting for Pakhtunkhwa to the extend people of Pakhtunkhwa themselves felt our sincerity. But what Pukhtoons on both side blame each other for is the present, and presently I think we both know how far Pakistani interference is gone into Afghanistan, and vice versa.

Sure, many Pashtoons in Pakhtunkhwa are in a state of being in delusion and that may be an obstacle for you personally, but for me, it is part of the challenge, the re-awakening and the need for us all to unite.

Them being in a delusion of their nation being great and Islamic is not even my problem, that's their own business. What bugs me is when they blame Afghanistan in the process of their delusion, they start blaming Karzai who hasn't got a damn to do with what's happening in Pakistan today. This is what those people don't want to understand and I think you yourself know some examples in this forum only.

P.S. I love Afghanistan with my heart and Pashtoons with my guts and humanity with by brain.

Even I love Pekhawer because that's the place I was born and I am never gonna forget the hospitality of those people! And I love those Pukhtoons who don't necessarily have to love Afghanistan, but at least who respects his motherland and accepts the facts about his own country when it comes to Afg-Pak relationships, instead of making ridiculous claims like they saved us from being Persianized, they saved us from being Russianized, and hundreds of other BS.

[Master Khan]

Pashto zindabad!!!
Pashtuns zindabad!!!
Pashtun haters murdabad!!!

[tor_khan]

Yes, I live in England. Same England which successfully divided us into two pieces and we very shamelessly let it happen. But my heart and mind lies in Afghanistan and that's place I am gonna spend my future, Inshahlah.

I know in 1893 people of Pakhtunkhwa had absolutely no choice, and I blame Abdur Rahman Khan and Abdur Rahman Khan only for that. Not people of Pakhtunkhwa.

The Afghanistan that I hope we both dream of is a strong stable Afghanistan (present) and in the due course of time in which Pashtunkhwa has a rightful place. Call it by whatever name we choose - Loy Afghanistan etc. in which Afghans wherever they are in the world find a rightful place to call home.

Now this is what I disagree with. There are plenty of other Afghan ethnics who are surrounded by Pukhto and Dari since centuries but yet they speak their language absolutely fluently even after centuries, but those in Pakhtunkhwa (at least majority of them) couldn't keep Pukhto 'pure' for even six decades. By keeping Kandahar as the capital we could easily have made Afghanistan a dominating Pukhto speaking country, but we didn't and all that thanks to a fool named Temor Shah Abdali. We Pukhtoons are just weak by nature when it comes to Pukhto and this is a fact, I am sure those non-Pukhtoons who came to Pekhawer didn't 'force' Pukhtoons to start counting in Urdu, did they? And nor did they told them to speak half Pukhto and half Urdu/English, did they? Same wise none had stopped Pukhtoons in Afghanistan to make Pukhto a dominating language in Kabul all those centuries ago, but now when it's too late Pukhtoons have started to wake up.

Shayesta - I'm not going to pretend that Pashtoons need to do more to keep their language strong. We know that Pashto has no official status in Pashtoonkhwa - our masharaan thought that there were too many variations in our language to be able to promote one standard and 2 and half generations we see what has happened. I agree.

I know a Maori from New Zealand who has told me about the process of language revivalism that is taking place there. She explains that it takes one generation to completely lose a language, but three generations to fully get it back (on a mass scale).

Do I feel Pashto in Pakistan is danger? My honest answer, is yes, I do, because I see what English has done to Urdu there and what both of them are doing to Pashto. All is not lost though. One way for Pashtoons to really strengthen their language is to dig into their literature and read and strengthen their historic connections with Pashto. The trouble (as I say often on this board) is that we hopeless lack a universal agreed standard for the written language.

I also look at the history of English in Britain and how historically there were massive variations in spellings and spoken forms and it was the printing press (and later the BBC) that began to standardise language. Think of English as a continuous language that was made regular by the media. If Pashtoons can use the media and use the same agreed words then people like me wouldn't have to say Da Gul Pa Wraz to some people and DuShamba to others to mean the same thing (Monday). Counting in Urdu is near enough to counting in Farsi (at least up to 10) - most people understand - although counting in Pashto is infinitely easier and of course should be the standard. Me? I count in Pashto - my children understand this way easier than Urdu or Farsi.

In Pashtoonkhwa people know what "magar" means, but most use "kho" and so on to mean "but". We're all affected by English, Farsi and Urdu. The worse thing we can do is to drop our language out of laziness/embarassment and go out and adopt replacements, but you and I know that many full Urdu and Dari speakers are actually Pashtoons who no longer use the language. But Shayesta, I really want to avoid the blame game. We have a problem. We need to fix it. There are ways to do this. Literacy (education) and the good quality media can help. That I believe.

Once again, I only blame Abdur Rahman Khan for what happened over a century ago. Maybe even Afghans should have kept fighting for Pakhtunkhwa to the extend people of Pakhtunkhwa themselves felt our sincerity. But what Pukhtoons on both side blame each other for is the present, and presently I think we both know how far Pakistani interference is gone into Afghanistan, and vice versa.

Them being in a delusion of their nation being great and Islamic is not even my problem, that's their own business. What bugs me is when they blame Afghanistan in the process of their delusion, they start blaming Karzai who hasn't got a damn to do with what's happening in Pakistan today. This is what those people don't want to understand and I think you yourself know some examples in this forum only.

Agreed. I'm not one of those who just criticizes Karzai because it's fashionable to do so. He's not perfect, but I actually respect the way that he has stood up to the US from time to time. His spirit, in this respect, is Pashtoon. In that respect, no matter how much we criticize ourselves as passive and uneducated, Pashtoons are natural rejectionists - I can't explain it any better than that.

Even I love Pekhawer because that's the place I was born and I am never gonna forget the hospitality of those people! And I love those Pukhtoons who don't necessarily have to love Afghanistan, but at least who respects his motherland and accepts the facts about his own country when it comes to Afg-Pak relationships, instead of making ridiculous claims like they saved us from being Persianized, they saved us from being Russianized, and hundreds of other BS.

We need to guard and protect our Pashto, for sure, but the fear of being Persianised is a distraction that we Pashtoons should not waste excess time worrying about. We know where this is coming from. It's the same as anti-India hysteria. Why waste precious time on this?

Shayesta - there are many Pashtoons (from Pashtunkhwa) who know exactly what has been happening. I wish we could seperate truths from untruths easily, but this has become very difficult to do over the years. Politically we're in a mess and our loyalties have been tested - national, religious, economic, tribal etc. Our traditional tribal system (that hasn't always been pro-state) has slowly been dismantled by ISI stooges/Taliban and Pashtoon political leaders have not been spared the corruption.

Our strength comes from our unity - whatever the differences, there is more commonality - it is that fear of unity that is driving the policies of the enemies.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I would rather be Persianized than be a Paakistani Desified Pukhtun. At times I give so much respect to the Dari Speakers of Afghanistan, Atleast they are proud of their language and status unlike Pashtuns who sell out to everybody. To be Honest, I dont even think a Tajik would give two tosses about Pashtuns, If Tajiks wanted, they could make their own country and join Tajikistan, its not as if Pashtuns will refuse them since Pashtuns are licking the boots of chaundrys.

Kind Regards

[Master Khan]

In Khybar Pakhtunkhwa Pashto is official majority Language but Urdu is national language

[amna.]

excuse my ignorance here in this subject.

but since Pashto is considered a provincial language doesn't that mean it's taught in school? What's the problem here?

[Shayesta]

@TorKhan
I agreed to whatever you just said, just my way of saying it was different than yours. Pukhtoons of Pakistan don't like it if their fellow Pakistanis are being criticized, same wise even Pukhtoons of Afghanistan don't like it if their fellow countrymen is being criticized. It's a fact that majority of Pukhtoons of Pakistan will choose lives of their fellow Pakistanis if they have to choose between Pakistanis and Afghans, and for Pukhtoons of Afghanistan the other way round is a fact. There is no use of us denying we are already divided, there is no use of us denying one side prefers Pakistan and the other side prefers Afghanistan. As you said, many of us just like to deny things and live their dreams without realising a dream is just a dream at the end of the day.

Yes, we indeed should talk of unity and you have got no idea how often I have tried this with Pakistanis. Luckily, majority were friendly towards Afghans and Afghanistan, but despite of that 90% of them used to start their usual crap of Pukhtoons in Afghanistan being Persianized and that our Pukhto is more Dari than Pukhto, while I can't remember those people themselves ever used even one line of Pukhto without mixing it with Urdu/English. I am also against the idea of calling an patriotic Pakistani Pukhtoon an Punjabi, but they should also realise those who want unity with Tajiks ain't Persianized either. Understanding is what we are lacking and I think you yourself can see around how many of our members are not willing to understand.

That's the reason why I don't like being told who my people are because my people are my both Tajik grandmothers, my Uzbek friend and Hazara husband of my second cousin who are very patriotic Afghans, not those Pukhtoons who work for ISI, Taliban, NATO or whichever alliance which is destroying my homeland (this goes for Tajiks as well by the way). My people are admirers of my country and well wishers of my country, not necessarily my 'blood-brothers/sisters'. And I know you from CK and I know you are well wisher of my and your own motherland, that's why I consider you as my brother, but unfortunately not every Pukhtoon is like you.

[tor_khan]

^Thank you for your thoughtful response.

[єѕαρχαι]

In Pakistan Pashto has no status. Its just there, but education and everything is in Urdu. In Afghanistan pashto is the only national language. The Anthem, and everything is in Pashto.

in pakhtunkhwa we got avt khyber . radio burraq.

doing enough to promote pashtu.

even panjabis here would sing bibi shereene
hadeeqa kyani even sung in pashtu...
though she doesnt understand it.
pashtu is a must subject in my distt.

so what else do you want ?

[Pukhtoon007]

ill give a more detailed post later. but i just wanna tell u (shayesta) that there is no difference between u and that jana girl. u think about that.

[khyaal]

Lolzz you people failed to make Pashto as official language in real terms in Afghanistan and you are getting angry over the same for our country.

So in your view the PMAP and ANP people should demand this from Afghanistan to make Pashto the official language of Pakhtunkhwa?

[Admin Khan]

Jana,
Pashto is Afghanistans national language and official language.

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