Give Pashto official status!

[Pukhtoon007]

right there. where is this whole unity between lar ow bar of urz.. single that one person out but dnt say u pakistani pukhtun. i personali get frustrated by pukhtuns that say they love or support pakistan, theyve lived in that country for a while the media the propaganda n stuff i dnt blame them anymore. and they have a ryt to blame pukhtuns west of the durrand because we did sell them out.

[Shayesta]

^ That was over a century ago, now it's more than a century later and every single Pukhtoon regrets whatever happened in 1893. And if they are so happy with Pakistan anyway then what they wanna blame us for? Note that I highly respect members like BLS wror and Khushal Khan wror, who are both from Pakhtunkhwa, even though I agree with one of them but not with the other. But those who think they are miss or mister know it all and themselves show their patriotism towards Pakistan and not towards Pukhtoons , then why are you so bothered? They are ready to accept division if it means favouring Pakistan, then what are you yearning for?

If you give them the right to still blame us for what Abdur Rahman Khan did (and stick in the past), then what type of unity do you expect? Ha?

[Pukhtoon007]

im bothered because ur ready to abuse east of the durrand pukhtuns to protect west of the durrand pukhtuns.
i dont care wat they do they will realise for example master khan. a change is gna come. and if u think a century is enough time for the pukhtuns that were betrayed by abdur rahman khan to forget about the durrand agreement. then u should give those pukhtuns another 50yrs so they can forget about pakistani patriotism.

[Shayesta]

^ Now where did I abuse them? I in fact referred them to the people who actually abuse Pakistan and are not Afghan nationals. This very obviously shows you don't even know what my discussion with those were about. And about Master Khan, he never cared for Pakistani government and army but I am happy at least he gave up on blaming so-called 'Indian agents in Afghanistan' for whatever is happening in Pakistan. I don't expect them to hate Pakistan because even my issue is with their political system and not entire nation, I just expect them to open their eyes to some facts like a lot of Pakistani Pukhtoons in this forum already have.

[Pukhtoon007]

u accusing me of not reading ur discussion just shows that ur not listening to me that u think this is an argument n ur trying to win it. look i proved it to u from the quotes just read the quotes im just telling you.

[Shayesta]

^ My quotes you mean? In that case, I have read it before I posted it and just like how you think I don't get your point, same wise you didn't get my point either (or don't want to) so let it be. And this isn't some 'kushti' which needs to be won or lost, so please.

[Pukhtoon007]

wa halka ta pukhtun ye. there is no we n u its just us. any pukhto book published no matter wer will benifit us all.

[Shayesta]

@Pakistani
Isn't it funny how despite of more Pukhto books being published in Pakistan still Pukhtoons of Pakistan's spoken Pukhto is a million times worse than those in Afghanistan? Even Hazaras speak better Pukhto than majority Pukhtoons of Pakistan and this is no joke.

[Pukhtoon007]

shayesta u dnt noe wat ur talking about . again ur try ur saying pukhtuns west of the durrand are better. man ur a lost cause i giv up.shayesta ur assumptions are a joke

[Michin Khel]

@Pakistani
Isn't it funny how despite of more Pukhto books being published in Pakistan still Pukhtoons of Pakistan's spoken Pukhto is a million times worse than those in Afghanistan? Even Hazaras speak better Pukhto than majority Pukhtoons of Pakistan and this is no joke.

Whats with this Afghan Pashtun vs Pakistani Pashtun?
Due to living in two differnt coutries some gap and distance has been created between two groups of same nation, but it doesnt mean that we should behave and act like non-muharram to each other.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

What is the status of Pashto in Pakistan?

Where the pashtuns reside in (i.e. Pashtunkhwa) it is spoken by 90+ % of the inhabitants. However, on an official level it is sidelined. It barely became a mandatory subject and in schools there is always preference to urdu and english. Officially and in terms of infrastructure it is sidelined. However and thank God, the people still speak it so linguistically it is strong.

[Shayesta]

man ur a lost cause i giv up.shayesta ur assumptions are a joke

Good, if you don't like jokes then just give it up. None stopping you.

Only Hazaras of kandahar speak better Pashto cause that is all they hear. That is it.

You ever met a Hazara from Ghazni? If you would close your eyes and listen to them, you would think it's a Pukhtoon talking to you.

[Pukhtoon007]

oh i like jokes thats y i like you.

pukhtoons east of the durrand have done great to keep pukhto becuase its not taught at skools or used officali , infact the state didnt even have a name until very recentli. also they've been constantli bombarded by pakistani n indian urdu media also they onli had 2 hours of pushto programs on ptv until the arrival of avt khyber. so its impressive if u compare it to kabul which hasnt had any major influences from media n stuff mainli coz of war but most pukhtanah in kabul either cant speak pukhto or are ashmed to speak it. and if u wanna compare kandahar with east of the durrand pukhtanah than i suggest u check out the tribal areas.also most books published by ppukhtanahs have been from the east. i agree pukhtanahs on the east have an advantage because of therz no war but its worth knowing.
also

i dnt noe what u get out from bashing ur own ppl and acussing them of loosing pukhto n protecting afghanistanis at the expense of pukhtanah on the east of the line. (you ur self have lost pukhto)

i guess its because u have enough tajiks in your famili and u ur self is married to a non pukhtoon so u are more inclined to protecting afghanistanis at the expense of puukhtanah from the east. its quite sad that ur children will not even be considered pukhtanah. so srsli quite bashing ur own ppl

now one more thing if u wanna compare the extent of the languge lost of both sides make a fair comparason. if ur gna talk about hazaras speaking pukhto in kandahar then i give u hazaras speaking pukhto inn quetta and it makes sense y coz if u take a hazara to any of the tribal areas of the east they will beat the hazara out of him. lol

anywayz its sad that u dnt wanna stop, also just wanna say i hope it makes u feel happy that u are reali pissing me off with this crap it wontbe longbefore i explode n get kicked out but its weak intermingled pukhtanah like u that will screw us up.

[tor_khan]

@Pakistani
Isn't it funny how despite of more Pukhto books being published in Pakistan still Pukhtoons of Pakistan's spoken Pukhto is a million times worse than those in Afghanistan? Even Hazaras speak better Pukhto than majority Pukhtoons of Pakistan and this is no joke.

Who is pure and who is not pure? There are a million accusations we can point east and west, so this is completely pointless, because surely we should be talking about unity.

[Shayesta]

^ I can't talk of unity when it comes at the cost of my country, like how some people in here want that to happen. People are throwing accusations towards Afghanistan but when some points are pointed out in Pakistan then it becomes 'dividing' Pukhtoons. There is always a tit for tat.

oh i like jokes thats y i like you.

Then why you thought of giving up first? You change your mind quiet quickly, aye?

pukhtoons east of the durrand have done great to keep pukhto becuase its not taught at skools or used officali,

Nor are Hazargi, Uzbeki, Pashayi, Nurestani and etcetera but yet speakers of those languages speak these languages as their first language, why? Exactly, because unlike them we Pukhtoons are just weak by nature in maintaining our language.

also they've been constantli bombarded by pakistani n indian urdu media also they onli had 2 hours of pushto programs on ptv until the arrival of avt khyber.

Even those in Afghanistan are constantly being bombarded by Persian media but for not promoting our own language on media is our own fault, not Persian's fault. Same goes for those in Pakhtunkhwa.

so its impressive if u compare it to kabul which hasnt had any major influences from media n stuff mainli coz of war but most pukhtanah in kabul either cant speak pukhto or are ashmed to speak it.

This is an lie which I used to hear every na-na speak of, I had even heard people will beat you up if you speak Pukhto. I went to Kabul city and I seriously was surprised hearing so much Pukhto, and that also starting from the airport while Pukhtoons make up only 25% Kabul city's population. Panjsheris were the only ones speaking Dari only, for the rest anyone and everyone I spoke to Pukhto replied me in Pukhto. And besides, same could be said about those in Karachi, init?

and if u wanna compare kandahar with east of the durrand pukhtanah than i suggest u check out the tribal areas.also most books published by pukhtanahs have been from the east.

I know that is, but could you explain me how yet spoken Pukhto of those from Pakhtunkhwa is much weaker than those from Afghanistan? Me being a Pukhtana doesn't mean I should only look for the goods in Pukhtoons, no matter which side they belong to. And if you think I never pointed out flaws of Afghans then you are wrong; You should have witnessed by debated with Shlombay and especially Parsiwaan.

i dnt noe what u get out from bashing ur own ppl and acussing them of loosing pukhto n protecting afghanistanis at the expense of pukhtanah on the east of the line.

It depends who I see as my people and who you see as your people. Whether you want to accept it or not, majority Pukhtoons of Pakhtunkhwa do not want to be a part of us and if their government meddling with our affairs means their own country's interest, then no doubt they will support it. As in for us, we have to share our land with 'Afghanistanis' and the most important thing for us at the moment is solving ethnic issues of Afghanistan, because Pakistanis aren't there to help us out in it, are they? And Taliban is an living prove of their 'help'. For me my people are those who are in favour of Afghans and favour of Afghanistan, and even if an Chinese is working for our best-will then I will choose over any Pukhtoon any time. And those Pukhtoons who work for our enemy's interest and yet you expect me to accept them as my brothers just because we share the same blood, then first ask those 'brothers' why they have worked for our enemy's interest in first place?

you ur self have lost pukhto

Oh have I? I never knew I could speak Dari well enough to speak it instead of Pukhto now! Thanks for informing me mister genius.

i guess its because u have enough tajiks in your famili and u ur self is married to a non pukhtoon so u are more inclined to protecting afghanistanis at the expense of puukhtanah from the east.

Yes, at least half of my family are Tajiks by blood; Tajiks who speak Pukhto as their first language. And once again, my people are those who want to protect Afghans and protect Afghanistan, if an Uzbek is more interested in well-being of Afghanistan rather than a Pukhtoon from Pakhtunkhwa, then the Uzbek is my brother in not that Pukhtoon. Even if that Pukhtoon is from Afghanistan.

its quite sad that ur children will not even be considered pukhtanah.

At least they will be considered an Afghan and despite of being Nurestanis their Pukhto will be much better than those Pukhtoon men married to non-Pukhtanas whose children can't even utter a word in Pukhto, and yet their children call themselves 'proud Pukhtoons'.

so srsli quite bashing ur own ppl

I am not bashing anyone; I am just answering in the language they understand. And once again, your people don't have to be my people. My people are more likes of BLS wror who despite of being from Pakhtunkhwa always spoke in favour of Afghanistan and I very well remember he once said language is the last thing Pukhtoons of Afghanistan should make an issue of because you don't need more of war. In other words, he sees every single person in Afghanistan as his brother because he truly wants Pukhtoon and he truly wants best for Afghanistan and that's the reason I respect him more than anyone even from Afghanistan and that's why I call him 'wror' by all means. Unlike those Pukhtoons from Pakhtunkhwa who know what raising language-issues could do to Pukhtoons of Afghanistan, yet they blabber on about status of Pukhto in Afghanistan instead of hoping for our ethnic friendship. And I have met plenty of such Pukhtoons.

if ur gna talk about hazaras speaking pukhto in kandahar then i give u hazaras speaking pukhto inn quetta and it makes sense

What's the Hazara population in Quetta and what's the Hazara population in Afghanistan? Not to forget that even despite living in majority non-Pukhtoon area (Ghazni) yet Hazaras managed to speak Pukhto fluently but make those non-Pukhtoons in Pakhtunkhwa do the same.

y coz if u take a hazara to any of the tribal areas of the east they will beat the hazara out of him.

Huh?

also just wanna say i hope it makes u feel happy that u are reali pissing me off with this crap it wont be long before i explode n get kicked out

What makes you think you will be kicked out? If you stay calm and I stay calm, Admin will have no reason to kick us out. If you yourself wish to prefer so because there are some e-issues out there which is pissing you off, then that's not my problem.

but its weak intermingled pukhtanah like u that will screw us up.

Weak is someone who closes his eyes to the truth, not someone who speaks the truth and dude, we already have been screwed! And it started since the day Abdur Rahman Khan decided to sell over 30 Pukhtoons who are now a part of a country which is our biggest enemy. In fact, go to a Pakistani forum which I also did and by a Pukhtoon from Pakhtunkhwa I was called names I shall rather not mentioned because they blamed everything on Afghanistan and I in return gave them sources which went against Pakistan. The thread ended up being closed and I got banned, while I didn't even use foul language even once. Instead of saying 'oh we Pukhtoons are one and death to others!', just look at what Pukhtoons themselves are doing to 'their people' and then come and claim that my quotes are much worse than what's happening between Pukhtoons in real life.