Islam is just a religion like any other religion

[MazloomYarMasud]

Once again you mention events which are against Islam. Why do you relate a jahil muslim to Islam? If a muslim drinks alcohol, he is still a muslim. But that doesnt mean Islam is to blame because Islam tells him not to drink.

Intolerance is not a good thing, murdering people for no reason is not a good and Islam does not support it.

So why in Islam christians and jews can not practice their faith openly and build their buildings of worship in a Islamic state?

Why are non Muslims classed as second class citizens?

You see Saifullah we have debated all this stuff before on past threads.

You are interpretating Islam to suit your view only but as I said before there will be muslims here who will oppose your view and the cycle continues.

If Islam was so simple and uncomplicated then we wouldnt have shias sufis sunnis wahabists salafis etc etc etc

You say Islam preaches Peace and tolarance but there are people who say Islam preaches offensive jihad which means by Islam one has to invade non muslim lands and enforce Islam.

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

Mazloomyar Jana,

Islam is not like any other religion. Islam claims to be superior over all other religions. No other religion claims this. This in itself is proof enough that Islam is superior.

You can say that a KIA is equal to a BMW, only and only because they both look like a car. However, there is more than what meets the eye--the BMW is far more superior.

Someone poor can only afford a KIA and some rich can afford a BMW.

Someone with a poor intellect will think that a statue is god, whereas someone with a rich intellect will think that a statue can bring neither harm nor can it bring any good. The person with a rich capacity will settle for that True God that can do good and can do harm.

Therefore, all religions are not equal. It depends on the intellectual capacity of their adherents.

One can also say Science is much suprioer than all faiths

as science has invented cures and helped society modernize.

Islam is no different than all the other past faiths before it.

Islam has its own version of events that happened when it was never even born and secondly to make things even more amusing Islam claims the past were all muslims.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

So why in Islam christians and jews can not practice their faith openly and build their buildings of worship in a Islamic state?

Why are non Muslims classed as second class citizens?

You see Saifullah we have debated all this stuff before on past threads.

You are interpretating Islam to suit your view only but as I said before there will be muslims here who will oppose your view and the cycle continues.

If Islam was so simple and uncomplicated then we wouldnt have shias sufis sunnis wahabists salafis etc etc etc

You say Islam preaches Peace and tolarance but there are people who say Islam preaches offensive jihad which means by Islam one has to invade non muslim lands and enforce Islam.

Kind Regards

You think there should be one law peace and tolerance. When i say peace and tolerance it doesnt mean you should become a peaceful person at ALL TIMES. If somebody murders your child in front of you and you have a chance to kill that murderer before he kills more people, you will do it. You wont sit there and say oh peace my brother and have a discussion with him to say oh its ok you killed my child, my religion is peace so just stop. So everything has a time and Islam is not a pacifist religion where you just sit and accept everything. Forget about invading non-muslim lands, the so-called muslim lands dont enforce Islam so that doesnt even need discussion.

[JAMALUDEEN]

One can also say Science is much suprioer than all faiths

as science has invented cures and helped society modernize.

Islam is no different than all the other past faiths before it.

Islam has its own version of events that happened when it was never even born and secondly to make things even more amusing Islam claims the past were all muslims.

Kind Regards

Is science a faith? Religion? Please elaborate on that point

[JAMALUDEEN]

You think there should be one law peace and tolerance. When i say peace and tolerance it doesnt mean you should become a peaceful person at ALL TIMES. If somebody murders your child in front of you and you have a chance to kill that murderer before he kills more people, you will do it. You wont sit there and say oh peace my brother and have a discussion with him to say oh its ok you killed my child, my religion is peace so just stop. So everything has a time and Islam is not a pacifist religion where you just sit and accept everything. Forget about invading non-muslim lands, the so-called muslim lands dont enforce Islam so that doesnt even need discussion.

It is everyones right to defend themselves, but unfortunately Mazlom doesn't seem to get it. He speaks of peace and harmony while he hates on tajiks and punjabis. He wants to arm himself and go on a killing spree.

A truly corrupt soul. Indeed.

[Saifullah]

Is science a faith? Religion? Please elaborate on that point

He doesnt really the core of science means OBSERVATION. He calls that a faith. LOL

Islam is a faith which promotes humans to observe the sky, observe the creation and so on. This is science aspect which Islam promotes to understand how Allah has created everything.

[spogmai shaglay]

According to me the title of the thread is being misinterpreted as it says,"Islam is just a religion like any other religion"..... the enitire artcile doesnt deal with this issue only.......

people need to read the entire article in order to relate it to the title....as its not at all a comparative study of religions....but religion and other aspects of life......

osho, i personally feel that you should have had a different title for your article as its is highly controversial where people feel that Islam is being compared to other religions and is thought to be like any other religion....... when you strongly believe that Islam is the best religions

and equality interms of respect and being secular..which is ones own perception...

if you could think of changing the title or adding something more to it so that its not misinterpreted...just a suggestion....

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

One can also say Science is much suprioer than all faiths

as science has invented cures and helped society modernize.

Islam is no different than all the other past faiths before it.

Islam has its own version of events that happened when it was never even born and secondly to make things even more amusing Islam claims the past were all muslims.

Kind Regards

Science does not invent things--science only explains physical things. Science has not contradicted Islam in its explanation of physical things. Science has proven other religions false but not Islam, for example, evolution.

[PFgulalai]

The is a BIG difference between the nature/subject and mechanism of Science and religion.Science is based on identification, observation, experimentation, evidence/facts and the universality of those facts about natural phenomena.Science is a continuous effort of seeking truth and wisdom.

Religion, on the other hand, is simply a belief in the existence of a powerful/supreme supernatural being(s). Faith in such supernatural beings do not require the evidence for its existence.

The term "faith" in the discussions of Science VS Religion mostly imply "religious faith". Therefore, Science does not qualify as "faith" per se, just like Islamic, Jewish, Christian faiths etc.

Is science a faith? Religion? Please elaborate on that point

[PFgulalai]

Science does not invent things--science only explains physical things.

Just tell me MWMN, who invented this computer and internet for you that you are using right now? You must be having an electricty and bulb in your room/house. Oh, how about refrigerator, TV, Phones, Microwaves,cars, aeroplanes, trains, steam engines, factories.....?
Please visit this really simple site to educate yourself about the INVENTIONS OF SCIENCE
http://inventors.about.com/od/timeli...neteenth_2.htm

Science has not contradicted Islam in its explanation of physical things. Science has proven other religions false but not Islam, for example, evolution.

There is no concept of God in Science.There is concept of Allah (God) in Islam.Hence, both CONTRADICT each other strongly.

Science has proven other religions false but not Islam, for example, evolution.

Science provides enough information in the form of evolution about the non-existence of God.Hence, it has proven that no Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Krishna etc exists.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Just tell me MWMN, who invented this computer and internet for you that you are using right now? You must be having an electricty and bulb in your room/house. Oh, how about refrigerator, TV, Phones, Microwaves,cars, aeroplanes, trains, steam engines, factories.....?
Please visit this really simple site to educate yourself about the INVENTIONS OF SCIENCE
http://inventors.about.com/od/timeli...neteenth_2.htm

Beloved sister,

Where did the material come to make the computer? Nature! Who created nature? No one? What was the basis of the computer? The human mind!

How does current flow? Metal! Who created metal? No one?

How could cell phones work if there was no means of transmitting. Transmission is possible because our physical environment has already been equipped by nature. Who created nature? No one?

All of these inventions is the mind of man, however, God reveals to man. The prime example is the sewing machine.

How were we able to have a internal and external combustion? Coal and crude oil! Who created them and for what reason? No one? It was created by default?

There is no concept of God in Science.There is concept of Allah (God) in Islam.Hence, both CONTRADICT each other strongly.

Science only deals with physical matter. However, why is there such consistency in science? Was it a fluke? Also, why is it that we are "investigating." Science is in the process of figuring out how things work. We don't invent out of the blue, we invent based on a foundation that already exists.

Science provides enough information in the form of evolution about the non-existence of God.Hence, it has proven that no Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Krishna etc exists.

Actually, no. The Quran does not reject evolution. The term is modern but the concept is old. 6th century Arabia was not advanced enough to know that, but the concept came from somewhere? Where did Hadhrat Muhammad forge it from?

[PFgulalai]

Beloved sister,Where did the material come to make the computer? Nature! Who created nature? No one? What was the basis of the computer? The human mind!
How does current flow? Metal! Who created metal? No one?
How could cell phones work if there was no means of transmitting. Transmission is possible because our physical environment has already been equipped by nature. Who created nature? No one?

The answer to all your questions is MATTER. According to the Law of Coservation of Energy, Matter can neither be created or destroyed. It transforms from one form to another but the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant.

All of these inventions is the mind of man, however, God reveals to man. The prime example is the sewing machine.

This morning our mice embyos died in a lab experiment.They were supposed to help us in making this anticancer drug which could have saved millions of people on earth. Why you think God did not reveal anything to us today? Oh!! Was it because God wanted to be cruel to cancer patients? *thinking*

How were we able to have a internal and external combustion? Coal and crude oil! Who created them and for what reason? No one? It was created by default?

Some men worked hard and struggled a lot to make our lives better without even realizing that one day we will not acknowledge their INVENTED machines. They had BRAINS that most of us lack, unfortunately, when it comes to understanding Science.

Science only deals with physical matter. However, why is there such consistency in science? Was it a fluke? Also, why is it that we are "investigating." Science is in the process of figuring out how things work. We don't invent out of the blue, we invent based on a foundation that already exists.

Science deals with world and everything in world is made up of Matter. Matter is present in its crude form and we are just refining it into different forms with the help of science. There is no existing foundation for us.We make our our foundations with our BRAINS, with our THINKING POWER, with our HARD WORK....not with baseless and lame claims all the time.

Actually, no. The Quran does not reject evolution. The term is modern but the concept is old. 6th century Arabia was not advanced enough to know that, but the concept came from somewhere? Where did Hadhrat Muhammad forge it from?

Actually yes, Quran and every other Holy Book must refute Evolution since it is antithesis of the religious belief. The theory of Evolution was presented by Charles Darwin in 1859 and later heavily researched and accepted by modern scientists. You can live in the state of denial as much as you want to, but the fact remains that Darwin is the winner!!! Peace

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Beloved brother and apple of my eye, I will start my reply to your post with one of Shakespeare's finest sonnets on love:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer's lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that fair thou owest;
Nor shall Death brag thou wander'st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou growest:
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this and this gives life to thee.


Yeah, you argue that the material used to make modern inventions existed in nature and therefore, somehow, all of man's achievements should be attributed to some genderless deity. This argument is as old as it is immature and nonsensical but it is unfortunately enough to sway those of lesser understanding. I am a man of great understanding, however.

Men (and perhaps a couple of women here and there) make contributions to the world with whatever they can find in it. They use their own brains independent of any divine guidance to invent something, which is improved by some other individual decades later and which continues to improve thanks to human (and not divine) ingenuity. Nature provides us with a tree (although if you think about it, we are cousins to the trees since we all came from the same simple organisms and are hence we are 'nature' ourselves). Man takes wood from that tree to make a house or a cart. He uses his own hands and his own mind. Why should the credit for his hard work go to some god who you cannot even prove exists?

Secondly, no one created metal (although we humans created metal alloys), no one created iron ore, no one created they way sound travels, no one created buoyancy, etc. It's all natural phenomena and man, through his quest for knowledge, has been finding the optimal use of the resources around him on his own.

Moreover, if we do follow your argument and all credit goes to Allah (InzimamulHaq used to use this phrase, by the way - I always knew there was something common....), what do you say about the invention of the B2 bomber, the F-16s, the Merkeva tanks, Israel's nuclear arsenal, poles that strippers with implants dance around, etc, etc? Should God be given the credit for their invention especially since most of those things have been crushing Muslim women and children since the 1940s?


You also said that scienticians invent "based on a foundation that already exists". Those foundations were laid down by scientists of the past, must of whom did not believe in gods.


Lastly, 9/10 Islamic scholars will tell you that Islam rejects evolution altogether or huge parts of it. Unfortunately, your sect/philosophical school represents hardly 1-2% of Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear brother,

Does the argument become invalid just because they are old? I think not! In fact your argument is as old: show me God. That is what you are looking for.

What you fail to realize is that man doe not change or alter nature at will. Man cannot change nature. Man studies how nature works and adapts to it. If you say that nature came to being all on its own, then I am pretty sure that you would call that person an idiot who claims that the Mona Lisa was painted all by itself.

The point of the matter is that you are pretty elementary with the argument that God has not proven Himself. Of course He has. You just don't want to accept it or fail to see it. (pun intended)

The fact that human beings base all of the systems on what nature has already furnished is a clearly-cut answer that there is more than meets the eye.

You are no different that than person who wants people to just believe in God because he says so, without logical reasoning. Your argument is parallel to that. You want to see Him face to face, yet in everything else you do, you bring out logical reasoning.

See the contradiction?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The answer to all your questions is MATTER. According to the Law of Coservation of Energy, Matter can neither be created or destroyed. It transforms from one form to another but the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant.

Such a complex system came to be ALL on its own?

This morning our mice embyos died in a lab experiment.They were supposed to help us in making this anticancer drug which could have saved millions of people on earth. Why you think God did not reveal anything to us today? Oh!! Was it because God wanted to be cruel to cancer patients? *thinking*

Do you think that everything is science was discovered in one shot? By created failures man is forced to look further and deeper as to figure out why it failed. It is natural. Allah has created a system, you are probably not familiar with that system that is why your experiment failed. Had you been familiar with the system there would have been no need for you to do experiments. The fact that you did experiments show that you are not 100% on the system. By you failing proves that you need to do more work.

If you take God out of the picture, you are still stuck with a dilemma. So, understand that knowledge is reveal in due time. Why is it that the things we know today were not understood before? It becomes clearer with time.

Some men worked hard and struggled a lot to make our lives better without even realizing that one day we will not acknowledge their INVENTED machines. They had BRAINS that most of us lack, unfortunately, when it comes to understanding Science.

Exactly, what a shame. They did it in vain. Or did they? Allah says that he rewards those who make life easy for people.

Science deals with world and everything in world is made up of Matter. Matter is present in its crude form and we are just refining it into different forms with the help of science. There is no existing foundation for us.We make our our foundations with our BRAINS, with our THINKING POWER, with our HARD WORK....not with baseless and lame claims all the time.

It is a fact that there is such a thing called spirituality. You feel it everyday. Love is one, for example. Measure it for me. Would you. Science only deals with the physical world.

Actually yes, Quran and every other Holy Book must refute Evolution since it is antithesis of the religious belief. The theory of Evolution was presented by Charles Darwin in 1859 and later heavily researched and accepted by modern scientists. You can live in the state of denial as much as you want to, but the fact remains that Darwin is the winner!!!

[71:13] ‘What is the matter with you that you expect not wisdom and staidness from Allah?
[71:14] ‘And He has created you in different forms and different conditions.
[71:15] ‘Have you not seen how Allah has created seven heavens in perfect harmony,
[71:16] ‘And has placed the moon therein as a light, and made the sun as a lamp?
[71:17] ‘And Allah has caused you to grow as a good growth from the earth,
[71:18] ‘Then will He cause you to return thereto, and He will bring you forth a new bringing forth.