Islam is just a religion like any other religion

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Not your opinion, dearest brother. What is the definition of: iman?

Imaan is to have faith and trust in God and to do as he says and to believe what he says you should believe. Because Big Brother is always watching.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Imaan is to have faith and trust in God and to do as he says and to believe what he says you should believe. Because Big Brother is always watching.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Why did you copy and paste the link to that site when you did not have a look at it yourself first? Very dishonest.

Mocking is one thing, however, make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Is it safe to say that you have "blindly" rejected God?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Why did you copy and paste the link to that site when you did not have a look at it yourself first? Very dishonest.

Mocking is one thing, however, make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Is it safe to say that you have "blindly" rejected God?

What is Imaan?

Nope. It's not something that occurred to me one fine morning.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

What is Imaan?

Nope. It's not something that occurred to me one fine morning.

Dearest brother, I am requesting you to define it in your own words. It would make the discussion more fruitful.

[muhsina]

Are you sure? If so, please bring a reference.

Reference for what?

I agree. However, Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) was sent to all of mankind.

The believers of all prophets claim that their religion is universal and their prophet was sent to all humanity.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Dearest brother, I am requesting you to define it in your own words. It would make the discussion more fruitful.

Dearest brother and apple of my eye, for me, Imaan can only be defined as unquestioned adherence aka blind faith. I cannot define it in any other way.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dearest brother and apple of my eye, for me, Imaan can only be defined as unquestioned adherence aka blind faith. I cannot define it in any other way.

Dearest brother, that is your opinion.

What is the definition of iman? Why are you so hesitant? I think you are blind to its real definition.

You don't have to agree with its definition, but what is the definition of iman? It should not be that hard.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Dearest brother, that is your opinion.

What is the definition of iman? Why are you so hesitant? I think you are blind to its real definition.

You don't have to agree with its definition, but what is the definition of iman? It should not be that hard.

Please enlighten me as to what Imaan really is.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Mashallah AfghanLady, you are very intelligent.

[Roshina]

Thank you Khan Gul. This has been my point all along but Qrratugai resorted to insults instead(for which she apologized to Momin, If not I was going to PM admin khan).Thank you Khan Gul.

Wait, what? When did I insult anyone? And I don't remember apologizing for any insults either, since I don't insult people. Please quote me on where I insulted him -- and explain to me HOW something I said was insulting.

Manana.

[Roshina]

Tell us what you know so far.

You know, guley, you should answer his question since he asked you first. You don't ask a question to answer a question, that even to answer when someone asks you to enlighten them about something.

I'll be waiting for your response as well.

[شمله ور خراساني]

for those who are ignorant of what IMAAN is, please visit this thread:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/important-what-imaan-4259/

[Roshina]

He never asked me nothing. Before assuming Guley, I always suggest you to read! I asked him that first for my own purposes, his dialogue was with MeemWawMeeMNoon.

He asked:

Please enlighten me as to what Imaan really is.

And you told him: "Tell us what you know first."

That's what I was referring to.

But if his dialogue was with MWMN, then why did you ask him to tell you/us what he knows first? ... He was obviously asking MWMN, yeah?

But, anyway, that's not my concern. I'm still interested to see how I insulted anyone and your claim that you were gonna report my post to Admin. I still think you should report it, though.

[Roshina]

Because as a member of PF I have the right to question what I want to question, do I sense a problem with my asking him something while he was in debate with Momin?

I said that only since you said "He was in dialogue with MWMN."

Refer to the post in which Momin told you not to talk to him like that how he is a student of Religion.

I need you to quote me on where exactly I insulted him and what I said and all.

Qrratugai, I replied to your posts in the last few pages. Either respond back to my reply or admit to us that what you said was gibberish. I am pretty sure derailing a thread is against the rules of PF.

None of what I said was gibberish, and none of it was wrong or illogical. I still stand by it: ALL religions are equal in value and merit and deserve equal respect and attention, and in order for them to deserve equal respect, they don't have to be the same -- which they're quite obviously not. You tried to prove me wrong by saying that to say that they're equal is to say that Hinduism = Islam = Christianity = etc. But that makes no sense, and there's nothing I can do about it if that's your sense of "equality."

Remember the 2+5 = 7 logic? Yeah. Both sides of the equation are *equal* but are not the same. So, religions can hold equal value WITHOUT being the same.

[PFgulalai]

Religions are similar nature-wise (nature being defined here as set of traits that define and establish the characters of something) in that their basic ingredients are same. The basic framework of any religion includes few important things:

1.A supernatural being (something that you cannot see with your five senses) in an invisible form (as the Abrahmic God or the holy spirits) or the visible form idols, fire, wind, snake etc
2. Scriptures
3.Rituals/traditions
4.Priests/Imams/Rabbis/Pujari
5.Fear
6.So on...

If you analyze the basic structuring of all obsolete and contemporary religions of the world by studying the evolution of religion, you will see extreme degree of similarity in the way religious ideologies were synthesized, organized, executed, and developed.

So the question is whether all religions are "identical", "equal (or congruent since I saw some maths eqs.), or "same"?

It would be hard to come up with perfect math equation to solve the issue of religious equality since in maths eqaulity is the state of being quantitatively the same (notice the connection between equality and same). However, we are talking about equality and sameness of religions in qualitative sense, rather than quantitative.Hence we can describe equality as "more or less equal" or not equal, or equal.

So if being same is like being identical then does that imply that all religions are same? We can answer the question in two ways depending upon the nature of tool we are using to measure the sameness. If you consider the philosophy and the purpose of the religion (to worship something out of fear), then they are the SAME. If you consider the NATURE of ingredients of all religions, then they are same (all have God and rituals etc). If you consider the KIND of ingredients, then they are not same (some worship idols, some have Omnipresent God).If you consider the degree of impact/influence religions have on world, then they are not same (some are powerful and others are weak).

On the contrary, being equal is not being similar or identical but at almost same level as you are. You might be completely different from the other person, but you could have equal status. Hence when we talk about the eqaulity of religions, we think they are not same but they are equal in that they all have pretty much the same ingredients (here I am focussing on the nature of ingredients, not on the kind of ingredients). They all have the same purpose (worshipping and to make the God happy) and they all lead to the same end--getting reward from the God in this world or afterlife.

Personally, I think there is nothing special or unique about any religion of the world. However, the moment you think as a superior Muslim, Brahman, Christian, Jew etc the meaning of Equality and Samenes changes radically in one specific direction and that is when you confuse the essence of these these terms.

I also make a bold claim like Qrratugai that "ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL". Think logically this time.

Does that mean I think they are equal to my religion in a sense that they are following the correct path of course not.

They are similar but not equal.
I hope you better understand the claims now, Qrratugai made a bold claim saying "ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL". That is Un-Islamic and that is what Me,Momin,Khan Gul, Saifullah, Guley are all trying to teach her.