Discussion about Rumi (Split)

[Mayana]

Your bashing of Sufism doesn't further explain your point that Rumi was gay because gay authors said so. And because you said you don't even have access to non-biased resources, I believe it is safe to assume that you don't have evidence to back up your claims. Hence it's safe to conclude this discussion here.

Walaikumasalam =)

[شمله ور خراساني]

Your bashing of Sufism doesn't further explain your point that Rumi was gay because gay authors said so. And because you said you don't even have access to non-biased resources, I believe it is safe to assume that you don't have evidence to back up your claims. Hence it's safe to conclude this discussion here.

Walaikumasalam =)

For you the books of the non-Muslim lovers of Rumi might be considered as Biased, but there are plenty of scholarly work that deal with this matter writen by non-Muslims.

The problem is that I dont have access to books written by Muslims. But I will give it a try and see what I can come up with.

Don't be hasty. I might find something, you know... hehe

[Mayana]

For you the books of the non-Muslim lovers of Rumi might be considered as Biased, but there are plenty of scholarly work that deal with this matter writen by non-Muslims.

The problem is that I dont have access to books written by Muslims. But I will give it a try and see what I can come up with.

Don't be hasty. I might find something, you know... hehe

Let's try a realllllllllyy wild idea and come up with stuff written by Rumi himself that proves his homosexuality! Whether or not you have access to non-biased sources, you're still getting ahead of yourself and arguing that he was homosexual - not from a objective but rather from a very emotional viewpoint, because you disagree with his Sufi beliefs.
So even if you go and find me "Books on Rumi's gayness" written by Muslim scholars, they don't mean nothing. Because what I said still holds, just because someone says he was gay, it's not necessarily true. Unless you can come up with evidence from Rumi's work himself.. your claims hold no value.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I am not going to quote Rumi here. Because as Qrratu said, I do not have the analytical skills to explain why his poetry is gay.

I rather leave that to experts.

[pekhawar]

qrratu is a nobody Sangar, if you can provide proof go ahead.

[Mayana]

I am not going to quote Rumi here. Because as Qrratu said, I do not have the analytical skills to explain why his poetry is gay.

I rather leave that to experts.

So it just is gay because some gay person told you it's gay.. ?

Khaaaaair, I leave with this:

Your bashing of Sufism doesn't further explain your point that Rumi was gay because gay authors said so. And because you said you don't even have access to non-biased resources, I believe it is safe to assume that you don't have evidence or even knowledge to back up your claims. Hence it's safe to conclude this discussion here.

Walaikumasalam =)

[IamDZJ]

sok chi zan na pijani agha ba jahan sa pijani..you perception of people you have not met is the reflection of yourself you see in the morning every day.

[Roshina]

Oh and hi, Qrratu.

Aww!! Hi, Sangar! How ARE you, beloved brother? Having a pleasant day? I sure am and hope you are as well!

You sound VERY nice and kind when you greet people like that! I think you should do it more often.

[*Mahzala*]

While I am no fan of Sufi practices or poetry (people like Rumi and Iqbal were self-professed Sufi’s), I think there is always some good to take out of someone’s contributions and works. If one can decide and draw the line in such instances to say so and so were such and such, then I assume they also have the capacity to decide what is of deviant nature and what isn’t. A poem like Rumi’s – A Self Assessment or Ihtisaabe Khud (the only one that springs to mind) is worth understanding and learning from. Of course, I am not for poems like Shikwa by Iqbal for my very own reasons, one of which may be my lack of understanding, but some of his other works are appreciated by many hardcore Muslims I have met, strict Salafi’s at that too. In a space like this, it would be injustice to discuss the biographies, and base them on certain poems, of such people, but to argue where to draw the line in ‘believing’ in their works and being ‘influenced’ by them should be clear. In saying that I am merely suggesting that reading poetry of such nature comes down to your confidence in your own beliefs. Filtering and consumption is thus made easy when your Aqeedah is strong, and therefore, those suggesting that it is dangerous for some, is too understandable.

[Roshina]

nice to see the two of you getting along

I get along perfectly well with EVERYONE everywhere, guley. It's un-Qrratu to not get along with someone.

Sngar is a great guy Qrratu.

We all have our own individual opinions of each other, guley, all of which are, I'd hope, based on what we say to each other and others here on PF, and all of which others may disagree with us on. Ka sanga? Just saying.

[toor-pekai]

Read my signature and kindly apologize for disrespecting my man!

[Son of Mountains]

While I am no fan of Sufi practices or poetry (people like Rumi and Iqbal were self-professed Sufi’s), I think there is always some good to take out of someone’s contributions and works. If one can decide and draw the line in such instances to say so and so were such and such, then I assume they also have the capacity to decide what is of deviant nature and what isn’t. A poem like Rumi’s – A Self Assessment or Ihtisaabe Khud (the only one that springs to mind) is worth understanding and learning from. Of course, I am not for poems like Shikwa by Iqbal for my very own reasons, one of which may be my lack of understanding, but some of his other works are appreciated by many hardcore Muslims I have met, strict Salafi’s at that too. In a space like this, it would be injustice to discuss the biographies, and base them on certain poems, of such people, but to argue where to draw the line in ‘believing’ in their works and being ‘influenced’ by them should be clear. In saying that I am merely suggesting that reading poetry of such nature comes down to your confidence in your own beliefs. Filtering and consumption is thus made easy when your Aqeedah is strong, and therefore, those suggesting that it is dangerous for some, is too understandable.

You are not same Mahzala that i knew once! Alas!
I have noticed this many times in your posts.

[Son of Mountains]

Read my signature and kindly apologize for disrespecting my man!

I love this portion of your signatures:
If in thirst you drink water from a cup, you see God in it.
Those who are not in love with God will see only their own faces in it.

-RUMI

But non-believers are haunting Religious forum of PF. It saddens me. They, the creation of Queen Victoria!

[*Mahzala*]

You are not same Mahzala that i knew once! Alas!
I have noticed this many times in your posts.

Let me break down my post for you:

• Sufi poetry: understanding oneself, understanding purpose, relation to God, and the like - superb and worth reading.
• Sufi poetry: quarellling with God, an attempt at imitating His speech and dialogues, questioning His decisions and the like - not my cup of tea.
• Poetry of such nature (the latter) distorts one's Aqeedah and one should be able to know where to draw the line when one exposes himself to it.

A new Mahzala?

[Nadir Shah]

Rumi was gay. He wrote homo-erotic poetry. This is why intellectual gays in Europe love him so much.

The French Post-modernist Gay philosopher Foucault was Rumis big fan.

Malgariya, what is wrong with being a homosexual?