Kite Runner Debate thread

[Shawonkey]

Qratugai,
I think you are downplaying this debate here. Those that agree with you, You cheer up and those that don't you frown.


Lets keep this simple, Do you think him representing Pashtuns the way he did was right?
A)Yes
B)No.

Knowing Pashtuns are victims of exoneration, I think it would be pathetic to make things even worse.

[Roshina]

Qratugai,
I think you are downplaying this debate here. Those that agree with you, You cheer up and those that don't you frown.

Umm... I'd said something several times that NO ONE understood save one person -- or at least he's the only who showed he understood it.

I don't really care who agrees or disagrees with me. I *welcome* disagreements. So it's not really about cheering whoever agrees with you or not. :| That's childish.

Lets keep this simple, Do you think him representing Pashtuns the way he did was right?
A)Yes
B)No.

Knowing Pashtuns are victims of exoneration, I think it would be pathetic to make things even worse.

Okay, this is silly. Have you read my posts? I wrote *everything* that's needed to answer this question. If you cannot gather that much from them, or if you gather the wrong ideas from them, then there's nothing I can do to help your incorrigible mind, bro

[Shawonkey]

^Dont you think your opinion and views are flawed thats why everyone is against you and no body tends to understand you in this particular thread?

[Roshina]

Double standards, Stereotypes

~ If I were to write a novel and have one of my Pashtun characters a beast who abused his wife/sisters/daughters, I expect to be slain for having done so, since it’ll make many Pashtuns think that I’m letting this ONE character be the representative of ALL Pashtuns.

~ If I were to write a novel and had one Pashtun character in it who was a nationalist and agrees that Pashtuns need independence from Pakistan or need to re-united with Afghanistan, the non-nationalist and the anti-nationalist Pashtuns WILL insult the hell out of me because, they’d claim, “Pashtuns are NOT nationalists! Not ALL Pashtuns are nationalists! We love Pakistan! This is our home!”

In their minds, I’ll be representing ALL Pashtuns with just *one* character. In their minds, that ONE character and her/his experiences, beliefs, behavior, etc. will be an expression of the beliefs/experiences/behavior of ALL Pukhtuns. It might not cross their minds that each individual has her/his OWN story to tell. I have a million to tell, many from experiences, some from observations, and others from imagination. Why should I be condemned for telling ANY story at all?

~ If I decided to make one of my characters a Quran teacher, or a mullah, who molests little children (girls and/or boys), the entire MUSLIM World will rise up against me upon reading them. Why? Because they’ll see it as my attempt to bash Islam, to show that “*All* Mullahs molest boys and girls, that all Quran teachers are disgusting people,” etc. And I may not have that intention: I may only be trying to show parents that, look, folks, don’t trust your mullah too much; just because he’s SUPPOSED to be pious and good doesn’t mean he’s any more trustworthy than any other man.

Never mind that those scenarios/stories will be based on FACTS, direct observations – I HAVE been a witness to molestation/rape crimes committed by Quran teachers. But how dare I say this out loud in a Muslim community, right?[B]

~ If I decide to narrate the events of the recent war in Swat – and the Taliban were BEYOND brutal, mind you; it won’t be exaggeration at all – I BET you Pashtuns will get angry that “Pashtuns don’t do this!” or those who support the Taliban still (if any at all) will say, “She exaggerated; the Taliban aren’t THIS bad.”

~ If I describe what the Pakistani army did to our women – including elderly women – in Swat and base it ENTIRELY on the circumstances that flooded on my relatives and other people I know/knew, the Pakistan-lovers (whether Pashtuns or not) and many Muslims in general will say, “OMG! How DARE she! Pakistanis are MUSLIMS, and Islam doesn't ALLOW for that! They RESPECT women! The army was in Swat to HELP Pukhtuns, not to humiliate their women! Eff this author; she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. She just wants to give a bad name to Muslims and Pakistanis!”

And my response will be: “Say that to the Pukhtuns whose families have been demoralized by the PK army.”

And the readers will say, “But not ALL of the soldiers were bad! Only SOME!”

And I’ll say, “I didn’t say ALL of the soldiers were bad; I only showed the reality that there were disrespectful soldiers with no sense of humanity, pretty much just as bad as the Taliban.”

Yet, when we go around bashing American soldiers for what they’re doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, we get all happy and say, “YES! They’re HORRIBLE people! Kill them all!” Do we not realize that there actually DO exist some who are decent humans, who REALLY care about humanity?

~ If, in my novel, I included a Punjabi character who had no respect for, say, his mother, I BET you none of us here will stand up and say, “Hey, that’s not true! Some Punjabis DO respect their mothers, okay? In fact, they respect them so much that they’re willing to divorce their wives if their mothers say so!”

It might not cross the readers’ minds that I have NO attempt of allowing this character to be the representative of all Punjabis.

I need say nothing further in this regard.

[Shawonkey]

~ If I were to write a novel and have one of my Pashtun characters a beast who abused his wife/sisters/daughters, I expect to be slain for having done so, since it’ll make many Pashtuns think that I’m letting this ONE character be the representative of ALL Pashtuns.

~ If I were to write a novel and had one Pashtun character in it who was a nationalist and agrees that Pashtuns need independence from Pakistan or need to re-united with Afghanistan, the non-nationalist and the anti-nationalist Pashtuns WILL insult the hell out of me because, they’d claim, “Pashtuns are NOT nationalists! Not ALL Pashtuns are nationalists! We love Pakistan! This is our home!”

In their minds, I’ll be representing ALL Pashtuns with just *one* character. In their minds, that ONE character and her/his experiences, beliefs, behavior, etc. will be an expression of the beliefs/experiences/behavior of ALL Pukhtuns. It might not cross their minds that each individual has her/his OWN story to tell. I have a million to tell, many from experiences, some from observations, and others from imagination. Why should I be condemned for telling ANY story at all?

~ If I decided to make one of my characters a Quran teacher, or a mullah, who molests little children (girls and/or boys), the entire MUSLIM World will rise up against me upon reading them. Why? Because they’ll see it as my attempt to bash Islam, to show that “*All* Mullahs molest boys and girls, that all Quran teachers are disgusting people,” etc. And I may not have that intention: I may only be trying to show parents that, look, folks, don’t trust your mullah too much; just because he’s SUPPOSED to be pious and good doesn’t mean he’s any more trustworthy than any other man.

Never mind that those scenarios/stories will be based on FACTS, direct observations – I HAVE been a witness to molestation/rape crimes committed by Quran teachers. But how dare I say this out loud in a Muslim community, right?[B]

~ If I decide to narrate the events of the recent war in Swat – and the Taliban were BEYOND brutal, mind you; it won’t be exaggeration at all – I BET you Pashtuns will get angry that “Pashtuns don’t do this!” or those who support the Taliban still (if any at all) will say, “She exaggerated; the Taliban aren’t THIS bad.”

~ If I describe what the Pakistani army did to our women – including elderly women – in Swat and base it ENTIRELY on the circumstances that flooded on my relatives and other people I know/knew, the Pakistan-lovers (whether Pashtuns or not) and many Muslims in general will say, “OMG! How DARE she! Pakistanis are MUSLIMS, and Islam doesn't ALLOW for that! They RESPECT women! The army was in Swat to HELP Pukhtuns, not to humiliate their women! Eff this author; she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. She just wants to give a bad name to Muslims and Pakistanis!”

And my response will be: “Say that to the Pukhtuns whose families have been demoralized by the PK army.”

And the readers will say, “But not ALL of the soldiers were bad! Only SOME!”

And I’ll say, “I didn’t say ALL of the soldiers were bad; I only showed the reality that there were disrespectful soldiers with no sense of humanity, pretty much just as bad as the Taliban.”

Yet, when we go around bashing American soldiers for what they’re doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, we get all happy and say, “YES! They’re HORRIBLE people! Kill them all!” Do we not realize that there actually DO exist some who are decent humans, who REALLY care about humanity?

~ If, in my novel, I included a Punjabi character who had no respect for, say, his mother, I BET you none of us here will stand up and say, “Hey, that’s not true! Some Punjabis DO respect their mothers, okay? In fact, they respect them so much that they’re willing to divorce their wives if their mothers say so!”

It might not cross the readers’ minds that I have NO attempt of allowing this character to be the representative of all Punjabis.

I need say nothing further in this regard.

The point is clear and simple.

If a white person were to write a novel about how terrible Black people are, would there not be an uproar in the community?

Same rules apply here, Your logic is quite vague to be frank with you,

Once Mr Hosseini, threw out such an idea about Pashtuns, the majority of his readers now think bad about Pashtuns.


Its very simple.

[Roshina]

^Dont you think your opinion and views are flawed thats why everyone is against you and no body tends to understand you in this particular thread?

Why are some of us SO obsessed with the idea that if people agree with you, you're right necessarily? Let's get out of that mentality, man. And I'm *not* here to get people to agree with me. I have no such intention. If you see my other threads, you'll note that yourself. When everyone agrees on everything, then there's nothing left to debate over.

Also, can you please stick to the topic and respond to the points I've made? If you haven't read the book, just don't respond then. That's fine. Let someone else *who has read the book* say something.

Further, if *I* don't have a problem with having "flawed views and opinions," why do you have a problem with them? ... I don't understand. Besides, you've yet to prove these opinions "flawed."

In all honesty, you have contribute NOTHING to this discussion besides your random remarks like "Everyone here disagrees with you; that's a sign you're wrong," LOL. And I sit here behind the screen and go, "Oh God, when will we learn?" And your other messages like "Hosseini portrayed us really badly, and now the whole world hates us! YOU ARE OKAY WITH THIS????"

[Roshina]

Qrattugai,
It was a pleasure debating this with you. But I think at this point we both know our stances on the topic.

I respect your view tremendously, however, I dislike it and think it is illogical.

The feeling's absolutely mutual, wrora (i.e., I respect your view but consider them illogical and disagree with them completely).

What is your view on women wearing jeans in public?

Id like to discuss that, see you.

That has nothing to do with this topic but has been discussed elsewhere.

[Master Khan]

Ok people lets stick with topic.

Are we speaking about the Kite Runner book or movie, I seen the movie but haven't read the book.

[IamDZJ]

^Agreed. SMH, Pashtuns did put Hazaras in there spot.

Pashtuns are crazy,lmao.

you and khalid hussainy have alot in common.

[Roshina]

Ok people lets stick with topic.

Are we speaking about the Kite Runner book or movie, I seen the movie but haven't read the book.

The themes in both are the same. I don't wanna watch the movie because what I've imagined in my mind from the book is just too beautiful for me to ruin with the movie :D BUT, sure, you may post your views on the movie if you want, too, since I'd expect that both are essentially the same plot/theme/etc.

[IamDZJ]

he also did not need to cash on the details of his wedding night.

[Zari]

Kite runner

kay...kite runner is ONE of my favorite books..ive read it 5 times...(without my dad knowing)....but ive never seen the movie....(my dad never let me)...and i dont knw y...

well anyways the point is that in the book...the taliban kill a bunch of hazaras....

did this actually happen??

[*Mahzala*]

You can find some answers here: Kite Runner Debate thread.

Always do a quick search before posting a new thread, yeah dear?

[Zari]

sowwie..:P

[Zari]

lol....kay im double srry...i didnt knw there was already a thread about kite runner..:P...