The love of my life

[khushal]

Rogh ramat yam ashna aao kha pa sur yam, Shna chay mi khwa ki prata da.. Ski kho na? :O With due respect Khushala, British didn't stole it. You (The people of Afghanistan or let me say the king) sold it to them. And yes it was theirs when they were here now they are history!!.

Now you are defending the British as honorable and honest, The vast majority of africa, middle east, south and southeast asia would disagree with you. you find me a document that was signed by the king in a language that he understood, then the Pashtuns(afghans) will agree with you and say the british were honorable and honest.
I am right because I can go from anywhere in Afghanistan to the afghan city of Peshawar and nobody has the courage nor the right to ask me for a Visa.

Yes, partially right in saying it belongs to Pakhtuns. I agree, it belongs to the Pakhtuns of KPK, doesn't mean that the Pakhtuns of Afghanistan should not come here. They should come and enjoy like home they are welcome anytime but officially this land now belongs to Pakistan and it's inhabitants not to any other country..

Pakistan is on welfare from the west. Its not a country, Its a crippled
liability with a feudal system that enslaves its inhabitants created by the British.

Yes, and it did. That's why you and me both called it East-Pakistan. Now that East Pakistan is history. It's Bangladesh now and I'd accepted the reality this bitter truth same should you accept now that KPK is now a part of Pakistan not Afghanistan. I am awake with my eyes open you seems to be enjoying dreams with open eyes.

You and your Feudal Panjabi Friends will accept more of this bitter truth when West Pakistan will be history, and you could live happily ever after in London, if your smart like your panjabi friends, make sure you fill up that swiss bank account or Tura wa ka, Pashtuno sa yo zio sha.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Now you are defending the British as honorable and honest, The vast majority of africa, middle east, south and southeast asia would disagree with you. you find me a document that was signed by the king in a language that he understood, then the Pashtuns(afghans) will agree with you and say the british were honorable and honest.

Haha, so you are actually telling me that there was nobody with the king who understood English at that time? That's pathetic? And yes, What was the mental level of that king that he was signing a document which he was unable to understand? Remember you are talking about a king not about a man living next door.

I am right because I can go from anywhere in Afghanistan to the afghan city of Peshawar and nobody has the courage nor the right to ask me for a Visa.

Haha, that's the hospitality of Pakhtuns as well as the courtesy from Pakistan. And yes, I am sure you know about Afghans carrying a Muhajir Card in Pekhawar? Plus, I guess you know that many Pakhtuns of Afghanistan have that green Identity Card. Plus, accept this fact as I see on this side of the durand nobody is left to support your this agenda anymore as the Pakhtun Nationalis ANP also said that the Afghans Nationals should leave/evacuate Pekhawar/KPK/Pakistan. (I don't agree with them on this, Mind it)

Pakistan is on welfare from the west. Its not a country, Its a crippled
liability with a feudal system that enslaves its inhabitants created by the British.

Khushaala, let me agree that Pakistan needs help in dollars but if you don't mind may I come forward and look into your eyes and ask you, 'What you think about Afghanistan? If we apply the same formula to Afghanistan?' You call Pakistan your enemy and still you people won't return a 20 rupees note given to you by Pakistan. You are even accepting help from Pakistan.

You and your Feudal Panjabi Friends will accept more of this bitter truth when West Pakistan will be history, and you could live happily ever after in London, if your smart like your panjabi friends, make sure you fill up that swiss bank account or Tura wa ka, Pashtuno sa yo zio sha.

Haha, Za hum pa di zay ba walar yam aao zama punjabyan/sindhyan/balochyan aao pukhtana dostan hum. And Insha-Allah we will be having no Swiss account. We will be standing right here. Di zal ba darta za hum wo wayam che Tura woka, Either accept that Pakistan is your friend or tell Pakistan to stop helping you and tell all the Afghans (Ones who belong to Afghanistan not ethnic Afghans) to evacuate Pakistan.

[khushal]

Shahbaza,
Are you saying that The honorable and honest British who had the resources to colonize 80% of the planet couldnt draw up a document in the kings language.

anyways we can go back and forth all day long but you have to admit that the line is unnatural. It is immoral to devide families. pa thghay khaboray ka eezat neeshtha.

If you speak for the pashtuns like you say then it is your duty to make the effort to unite your people because when that happens the world will feel its vibrations.

And the Quote correctly is "Vengence of the Afghan"

[Shehbaz Khan]

Shahbaza,
Are you saying that The honorable and honest British who had the resources to colonize 80% of the planet couldnt draw up a document in the kings language.

A counter question is not going to solve it .. Why will the king sign something if he is unable to understand it?

anyways we can go back and forth all day long but you have to admit that the line is unnatural. It is immoral to devide families. pa thghay khaboray ka eezat neeshtha.

If you speak for the pashtuns like you say then it is your duty to make the effort to unite your people because when that happens the world will feel its vibrations.

That's why I always talked about a United Pak-Afghan Federation. And we must fight for the eradication of the borders and unification of the two countries under a common umbrella of Islam to form a strong confederation, so when an invader tries an adventure on the borders of Amu Darya, the Ghauri with 1000lb Nuclear Cluster Warhead leaves Islamabad to deal with the threat.

There's no other way to end the misery of the two greatest and most important geopolitical countries on the face of earth, but to unite and form an Islamic confederation against all threats.

And the Quote correctly is "Vengence of the Afghan"

Actually the term 'Afghan' is also used for the people living in Afghanistan having the nationality of Afghanistan where as Pakhtun/Pashtun today is an ethnic group and in the quote I believe they are pointing to this ethnic group.

[Michin Khel]

Thank you for your honest opinion. I have met many such people and I just didn't know if this was because they are residing in the west. It's not their fault though, when you have no Pashto schools, what do you honestly expect? There is only so little parents can do to teach their children Pashto. Educational institutions play a major role.

The same applies for the west as well, there are many Pashtuns who would rather speak in English.

Instead of listening to lie from yousafzaipashtun, i would suggest to read honest post of toramana http://www.pashtunforums.com/317049-post42.html

[Feroza_Banu]

That's why I always talked about a United Pak-Afghan Federation.

Over every Afghan's dead body!. I prefer a 'spai' over a panjabi ruler. we have ghairat you know!

we can never be slave, and to be slave of the slaves? hell no!

[Toramana]

.... about a United Pak-Afghan Federation. And we must fight for the eradication of the borders and unification of the two countries under a common umbrella of Islam to form a strong confederation, so when an invader tries an adventure on the borders of Amu Darya, the Ghauri with 1000lb Nuclear Cluster Warhead leaves Islamabad to deal with the threat.

There's no other way to end the misery of the two greatest and most important geopolitical countries on the face of earth, but to unite and form an Islamic confederation against all threats.




Actually the term 'Afghan' is also used for the people living in Afghanistan having the nationality of Afghanistan where as Pakhtun/Pashtun today is an ethnic group and in the quote I believe they are pointing to this ethnic group.

Hahaha...There is a story that goes, once upon a time there was a King Cobra that bit a lion and killed him...There was also a lizard (charmakhkai) nearby looking on...Fearing reprisal from other lions, King Cobra started running...In imitation, the lizard (charmakhkai) also started running ...Someone asked the lizard "why are you and King Cobra running?"...The lizard replied, "ma aow mar mama da zangal Badhsha zmarai mar ko" (i.e., I and uncle snake killed a lion king of the jungle)...


So is how Shabaz Khan is making it sound to be...Punjabis are the real owners (King Cobra) of the (Arab funded) nuclear bomb...But here Shabaz Khan thumping his chest in pride...


Shabaz Khan yours and my status as Pashtuns is not more than "akhrots" in the eyes of Punjabis better to play the role of mercenaries or chowkidaran or garbage collectors or home negroes...so instead of hurling around these fantastic ideas of Pakistan-Afghanistan confederation the grand dream of Gen Ziaul Haq, Hamid Gul, and many others in the Paki establishment that they attempted to reaalize but failed, think for your own people if you really care for them...

[Shehbaz Khan]

Over every Afghan's dead body!. I prefer a 'spai' over a panjabi ruler. we have ghairat you know!

we can never be slave, and to be slave of the slaves? hell no!

Haha, Imagine a nation with that power sister. For what will we be slaves than? Wos kho mong hum dakka jangono okhwaro.. And do you think there will be Punjabi domination than, No.. !!
There are 2 Ideas that I support

Unite Pakistan and Afghanistan form a joint federation or
Divide both Pakistan and Afghanistan just take the Pakhtun dominated areas and form a separate homeland just for Pakhtuns.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Hahaha...There is a story that goes, once upon a time there was a King Cobra that bit a lion and killed him...There was also a lizard (charmakhkai) nearby looking on...Fearing reprisal from other lions, King Cobra started running...In imitation, the lizard (charmakhkai) also started running ...Someone asked the lizard "why are you and King Cobra running?"...The lizard replied, "ma aow mar mama da zangal Badhsha zmarai mar ko" (i.e., I and uncle snake killed a lion king of the jungle)...

I enjoyed reading it

So is how Shabaz Khan is making it sound to be...Punjabis are the real owners (King Cobra) of the (Arab funded) nuclear bomb...But here Shabaz Khan thumping his chest in pride...

Why should Shahbaz Khan not be proud of what his country does have? Shahbaz Khan should be proud like every single patriotic Pakistani because they belong to one of the seven nuclear states present on the face of the earth. And what I said wrong there? Don't you want Islamic Brotherhood to prevail? You don't want Pakistan to help you. Whoever funded for that bomb or whoever took part in making it, now it's here for the whole country !!

Shabaz Khan yours and my status as Pashtuns is not more than "akhrots" in the eyes of Punjabis better to play the role of mercenaries or chowkidaran or garbage collectors or home negroes...so instead of hurling around these fantastic ideas of Pakistan-Afghanistan confederation the grand dream of Gen Ziaul Haq, Hamid Gul, and many others in the Paki establishment that they attempted to reaalize but failed, think for your own people if you really care for them...

I do, that's why I don't want them to be with you in Loy Afghanistan especially from this side of the durand line because you will write it on their heads, brainwashed and sold-out Pakhtuns.
Again you made a failed attempt. Are Pakhtuns not collecting garbage in Kabul and Qandahar? Is there no Pakhtun Chokidar in Kabul or Qandahar? Come on get a life you know how it is .. It's about education, you don't want Pakhtuns to collect garbage make institutions for him. Don't you see the hundreds of Pakhtun Engineers, Doctors etc etc in Pakistan?

[Alchemist]

If you think that the holy prophet peace be upon him would sanction the use of a weapon like the atomic bomb against any nation, then you do not know of Islam and are only an imitator. The Atomic bomb is an indiscriminate killer that spares nothing of the land, the infrastructure or even the air. Muslims who participate in wars are told not to kill the women and the children, to leave those who are monks alone, not to harm buildings and bridges as much as possible. Pakistan by owning a nuclear weapon reveals to the rest of the ummah that it is a hypocritical nation to the core. If the United states, Russia and China wanted too...they could easily disarm both india and pakistan of it's nuclear capability. Have no doubt about that. If a nuclear holocaust does take place some time in the near future...pakistan and india have agreed to off each other first thing first ...and thus commit a double suicide. There is no strategical advantage to owning a nuclear weapon. Real muslims relly on Allah first, not on atomic bombs, then they fight in the cause of Allah as it pleases Allah...not Machiavelli.

[khushal]

A counter question is not going to solve it .. Why will the king sign something if he is unable to understand it?.

He put his name on a piece of paper in arabic alphabet. These anglos are so devious, they used to get the indians drunk before having them sign a piece of paper in a language they did not understand. International law states that the signator must understand the document language that it is written on. Also the tribes were not informed of this agreement. International Law states that all parties have to be informed.

That's why I always talked about a United Pak-Afghan Federation. And we must fight for the eradication of the borders and unification of the two countries under a common umbrella of Islam to form a strong confederation, so when an invader tries an adventure on the borders of Amu Darya, the Ghauri with 1000lb Nuclear Cluster Warhead leaves Islamabad to deal with the threat.

There's no other way to end the misery of the two greatest and most important geopolitical countries on the face of earth, but to unite and form an Islamic confederation against all threats. .

What are you talking about, Where was this Ghauri Warhead when the entire world came down on Afghanistan like vultures.

Actually the term 'Afghan' is also used for the people living in Afghanistan having the nationality of Afghanistan where as Pakhtun/Pashtun today is an ethnic group and in the quote I believe they are pointing to this ethnic group.

Afghan is pashtun, those other people are afghanistani tajik and afghanistani hazara. Dont be afraid of those people.

[Shehbaz Khan]

He put his name on a piece of paper in arabic alphabet. These anglos are so devious, they used to get the indians drunk before having them sign a piece of paper in a language they did not understand. International law states that the signator must understand the document language that it is written on. Also the tribes were not informed of this agreement. International Law states that all parties have to be informed.

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That's what the king must have thought before signing it. Do you think that the king didn't know that he is selling this piece of land? Plus the tribes were not informed because the king didn't want them to know that he is selling them.

What are you talking about, Where was this Ghauri Warhead when the entire world came down on Afghanistan like vultures.

I wrote that for that situation when the borders will be united. That's what I am trying to say, that we should work for.

Afghan is pashtun, those other people are afghanistani tajik and afghanistani hazara. Dont be afraid of those people.

Nobody call the poeple living in Afghanistan as Afghanistani? Show me any news paper etc etc where this term is used. They call them Afghans. And you are right every Pakhtun is Afghan by the ethnic defination that's what we write here in our cast section. That's why it's said, Every Pakhtun is Afghan but every Afghan is not Pakhtun.

[khushal]

That's what the king must have thought before signing it. Do you think that the king didn't know that he is selling this piece of land? Plus the tribes were not informed because the king didn't want them to know that he is selling them..

I told you we would go back and forth on this all day long but you agree
the agreement is illigal, all the parties were not informed and all parties did not agree.

I wrote that for that situation when the borders will be united. That's what I am trying to say, that we should work for..

The people you put your trust on has no ghyrat. Pakistan supported the taliban and then left them for the world to rape and pillage the people of afghanistan while these beghyrata leaders that you think are the champions of Islam watched.

Nobody call the poeple living in Afghanistan as Afghanistani? Show me any news paper etc etc where this term is used. They call them Afghans. And you are right every Pakhtun is Afghan by the ethnic defination that's what we write here in our cast section. That's why it's said, Every Pakhtun is Afghan but every Afghan is not Pakhtun.

Dont get too technical here. Pukhtunkwa has many ethnicities living in it, they are residence of the provence of pukhtunkwa but they are not all pakhtun. Just like Hindustan, not everybody there is Hindu but they are residence of Hindustan, you could say hindustani muslim or hindustani christian etc...In pashawar there are many panjabis that live there so people refer to them as pashawari panjabie.

[Manzareh]

Over every Afghan's dead body!. I prefer a 'spai' over a panjabi ruler. we have ghairat you know!

we can never be slave, and to be slave of the slaves? hell no!

slave of slaves?? wernt the dari people slaves and leftovers from original persians?? are they not equal to you in afghanistan?? doesnt that mean that you are equal to a slave?? ovcourse it does.

if you have ghairat, why then do you let your ruler be a puppet from america and look up to dari (the language of persian slaves).

[Shehbaz Khan]

I told you we would go back and forth on this all day long but you agree
the agreement is illigal, all the parties were not informed and all parties did not agree.

Than how it took place? Plus why the king didn't take any action or did something about it till 1947? By the way that's pathetic for a king, he actually sold people and land and he even didn't know about it? Plus for what purpose he took the money from the British?

The people you put your trust on has no ghyrat. Pakistan supported the taliban and then left them for the world to rape and pillage the people of afghanistan while these beghyrata leaders that you think are the champions of Islam watched.

Who are you talking about dude? Are these both states one? See, to go further you gotta bury the past, both the countries faced problems due to each other both suffered. I never said that they are the champions of Islam? Where I said that?

Dont get too technical here. Pukhtunkwa has many ethnicities living in it, they are residence of the provence of pukhtunkwa but they are not all pakhtun. Just like Hindustan, not everybody there is Hindu but they are residence of Hindustan, you could say hindustani muslim or hindustani christian etc...In pashawar there are many panjabis that live there so people refer to them as pashawari panjabie.

I am technical, and even you sound technical here? In these above sentences that I quoted where is the answer to the question? I never said that the other ethnicity living in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are Pakhtuns? I am just telling you that the people living in Afghanistan are today known as Afghans? And this quote was not said about Afghans (Citizens of Afghanistan) but about the ethnic group Afghan/Pakhtuns/Pashtun/Pathans.