Lack of Pashtun Engineers

[Friend]

Admin Khan! I am still waiting for your reply.

[Toramana]

Don't know what garage you have been to but of the two garages I worked at in New York City, while I was a student (both garages in Queens) one had a Pakhtun dispatcher and the other did not, most of the drivers were Pakhtuns(same is the case for UAE, Saudi etc.).... Of all the passengers I used to talk to (mostly the old timers) I learned that every nation has come worked driving cabs but after a generation moved on, first it was Eastern Europeans who left driving to the Italians (if you watch old English movies you will see Italians), and finally till today the sub-continent people including Pakhtuns but according to them, the people of the sub-continent have held on to the business the longest... not that the same people are doing it, but as the example I gave, Pakhtun parents(the ones in my garage) all say that they will bring their children to the US when they are old enough to work/drive... that is the progression that I am talking about.

As for education and importance, we each need to emphasize its importance. I remember being told that once I became a driver I would never leave it as the money was non-taxable(lolzzz) to the extent of whatever I "want" to declare and in a sense easy money. I for the forst 3-4 years of my professional career used to make less than when I was a cab driver but you know what... I recovered in 4 years, have career along with the other benefits of a professional career... nothing wrong with being a cab driver but we need to make it a stepping stone and progress... not bring our children from countries back home to become future cab drivers... we need to progress, we need our children to progress along with our daughters...

I will say never leave your country ---try to get best education in your own country and be employed in the home market----Why do low-level work for others if you can prosper in your own country by being prudent and strategic. The gap in education standards is also being increasingly reduced.

[Admin Khan]

I will say never leave your country ---try to get best education in your own country and be employed in the home market----Why do low-level work for others if you can prosper in your own country by being prudent and strategic. The gap in education standards is also being increasingly reduced.

Toramana,

Are you suggesting that Pakistan and Afghanistan produces world class Engineers? I understand the argument of 'get educated in the USA, and go back home' but I have never heard of the 'get educated home, and stay' argument. Even the Chinese are aware that their home institutions are not producing world class Engineers, and most of them do whatever they can to attend and conduct research at HYPSM, or any of the top 50 Engineering schools in the USA. Korea built KAIST, arguably the best Engineering school in Asia, by the AMERICAN KOREANS who brought American knowledge to Korea. If we continue getting educated in rag-tag AFPAK institutions, and remain there, we will be producing an infinite loop of parrots. Instead, I suggest Pukhtuns of AFPAK to seek the highest form of education, return back home, and share what you learned with your home institutions.

"Hi University of Peshawar, upon getting my B.S in C.S, I realized that the B.S in C.S at UOP is lacking, XYZ, ABC, and our website at UOP looks like it was designed by my 5 year old nephew, lets fix it". The aforementioned should be the attitude.

[Toramana]

Toramana,

Are you suggesting that Pakistan and Afghanistan produces world class Engineers? I understand the argument of 'get educated in the USA, and go back home' but I have never heard of the 'get educated home, and stay' argument. Even the Chinese are aware that their home institutions are not producing world class Engineers, and most of them do whatever they can to attend and conduct research at HYPSM, or any of the top 50 Engineering schools in the USA. Korea built KAIST, arguably the best Engineering school in Asia, by the AMERICAN KOREANS who brought American knowledge to Korea. If we continue getting educated in rag-tag AFPAK institutions, and remain there, we will be producing an infinite loop of parrots. Instead, I suggest Pukhtuns of AFPAK to seek the highest form of education, return back home, and share what you learned with your home institutions.

"Hi University of Peshawar, upon getting my B.S in C.S, I realized that the B.S in C.S at UOP is lacking, XYZ, ABC, and our website at UOP looks like it was designed by my 5 year old nephew, lets fix it". The aforementioned should be the attitude.

Probably, I was at fault saying that. I mean it is better to try to change your own society by putting in your little effort into doing that than run away from it. Although, it is a daunting task for an individual to change a society but ultimately societies do change. The more I think the more I get convinced that running away to some prosperous country is not a solution to our problems.

Depending on others forever for solutions to our problems is below dignity.

I am convinced that a little bit of reform to our education system (some is in the process of occurring ) can put us at par with International standards. I am convinced that access to sources of knowledge in a variety of format is becoming more widespread.

[HalloIsBack]

No bitch, this is to bitches who said not go study at uni after school.

ok my puta
it was a misunderstanding

[kanishka]

Let me point it out. From what i'm aware of, the brainwashed Pakistani Pashtuns are ejaculating Engineers... but from Pakistan

but it's cause everyone's aware of the economic prospects of Engineering bachelors, everyone keeps racing there..... Afghan Pashtuns i'm not aware, but hands down, alot of Pashtuns in Pakistan race to Engineering, if not that then they become medical doctors....

[kanishka]

Probably, I was at fault saying that. I mean it is better to try to change your own society by putting in your little effort into doing that than run away from it. Although, it is a daunting task for an individual to change a society but ultimately societies do change. The more I think the more I get convinced that running away to some prosperous country is not a solution to our problems.

Depending on others forever for solutions to our problems is below dignity.

I am convinced that a little bit of reform to our education system (some is in the process of occurring ) can put us at par with International standards. I am convinced that access to sources of knowledge in a variety of format is becoming more widespread.

Professionals staying in their home country to improve its standards as opposed to running away to the west?

Two words:

Brain Drain


Many professionals in the third world don't get jobs, i met many, and they HAVE to move to the west to get a life cause their native country is corrupt and offers no careers......

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Not really,

As an example of KPK

We have less than 1100 Med seats in different medical colleges(including the self finance,quota,foriegn,overseas,open merit) as compared to more than 3000 for engineering(I am sure with the intro of new campus in Mardan and the expand of other campus,the number of seats is much higher) while since 2011 the medical seats has only seen a increase of about 70.

I believe for every single medical student in kpk,we have atleast 8-10engineers or may be even more

[IcancryifIwantto]

I have to disagree here. Almost every Pashtun i have met on here and in person are either engineers or business men. Including my dad who is an engineer.

Gona have to agree with you because my dad also did his undergrad in mechanical engineering.... and his brother did civil engineering... other uncle did economy though... aunt did medicine... and youngest brother did political science.... lol had to mention the rest to bask in the glory.... my apologies I have infantile tendencies hehe.

[Admin Khan]

I'm an Engineer.

Most of the Engineering talent of Pakistan is pretty weak; they might as well go into medicine, since I think they have a better program in that. I have yet to meet a successful Pakistani educated Engineer, and in my line of work, I come across a lot of Engineers, from most parts of the world. The very few Pakistani immigrants who are in the US, have nothing but terrible things to say about their undergrad programs, and a quick search on their programs, show me how outdated and useless they are. The only exception I can think of is LUMS, GIKI, and NUST, and probably a couple of others(but they produce a small set of Engineers, and even those aren't high quality, memorization something embedded in Pakis doesn't work in Engineering), but for a country of 180 million people, that's pretty embarrassing. Pakistan has a lot to learn from India, and the IIT's. The core reason for a lack of quality Engineers in Pakistan is the emphasis of rote memorization; they are more concerned with having a question in black ink, and an answer in blue ink, and who is able to memorize the longest answer for masala-e-kashmir on the board exam.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

7 Uni's of Nust standard are being planned in Pakistan.