Evolution, why us?

[graveyardofempires]

For Graveyard of Empires:

Here are some transitional species found by paleontologists for some common animals:

im talking about living creatures or atleast something from fossile records not some cartoon pictures.

[Fahd]

For Graveyard of Empires:

Here are some transitional species found by paleontologists for some common animals:

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damn im gona become Cheetah mybe after 40 years cuz im fast like the Cheetah :p LOOOOL

[graveyardofempires]

So if you get 80% correct on an exam, that person automatically is wrong 100% of the time? Do you live up to your own belief of being 100% correct 100% of the time? Darwin never claimed nor wanted to replace religion. There are bigoted athiests who have used evolution as a means to progress their racist views, but most of the advancements in evolutionary biology, physics, were done by God believing people.



I apologize for the incoherent argument that I am about to make with you, I am running short on time, and have not had a chance to edit this. I will give you examples of intermediary species when I have more time. But for now take this food for thought:

So where did Dinosaurs come from? Did their bones which have been in the ground for over 100 Million years, just come down from a magical space ship? What about the fossil fuels that power your sub station which is giving power to your computer? Did fossil fuels just magically appear in the ground for you to come across? What about that yummy chicken you ate a few weeks ago, even though their cartilaginous properties are very similar to the cartilaginous cells in a Tyrannosaur? As for intermediary species, look at the whale. It's ancestor's walked on all four, and grew up in the shallow Tethys sea (roughly where Afghanistan and Pakistan are today). They are mammals like the landi or beef, or goat that you probably have consumed.

Yes I do believe humans came from more primitive ancestors. Monkeys of today? Hardly. First of all, did you know the oldest human bone is roughly 150,000 years old? How old is Mohammed (SAW) Islamic history? 1500 + - ? If you want to be picky and say Human civilization, the oldest is what? 10,000 years old? What happened in the first 140,000 years? Human knowledge grows exponentially. Compare the scientific knowledge of Muslims in the 8th century in regards to what we know now about technology, the cosmos, and our own Earth today? Now compare that knowledge to what archaeologists have found in the caves in France? See the difference?

My point is the world is really REALLY old, and what is time for God? Nothing? How hard would it be for God to create the universe, time, and over 1 Billion years of living biology? Evolution isn't an answer to the WHY we are here, it is a solution on HOW we and every living creature on this world continue to thrive on this planet. Some choose to ignore how life has survived on this planet for nearly a billion years and many accept God and choose to understand the world we live in and how fragile it is. That is all.

thanks for your lengthy reply and fair enough.
i have nor problem with 80 percent but the problem is that 80% is all there is and is extremely illogical.
for example human beings and chimps have over 90% of same DNA but even if it was 99.9% still it doesnt prove we evolved from chimps but it proves that whatever we are built from are also used to build the chimps or bananas.

[graveyardofempires]

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damn im gona become Cheetah mybe after 40 years cuz im fast like the Cheetah :p LOOOOL

Fahd its easier for me to believe what you say than the above claims.

[آريا]

Adam pbuh was created out of clay so the human evolution theory can't be correct although humans have similarities with mammals.

But possibly mammals and other species could have been created through evolution.

[Alchemist]

M,


Which Levanaye Zalmaye post are you talking about?

The second post....

where he says this:

The fossils show that the further back we go in time (carbonating FTW), the primate fossils we find have smaller brains, they're not upright and they have long tails. When we come forward in time, we find that our ancestors, gradually - one after the other, began walking upright, their skulls were getting larger, their noses got smaller, they lost their tails and became more and more homosapean-like. This happened over hundreds of millions of years. This is clear-cut evidence for evolution.

See this is a false statement.

They would have you believe that brain sizes grew proportionally with intelligence.

But what our misguided and unlearned amature friend doesn't know is that Cro magnon man had bigger brains than US! about 1500 cc...we average 1300... so does that mean they were smarter than us? It puts a serious dent in the theory.


Then this midnight sun...lol funny nick ...is posting pictures of different species and calling them "intermediate" because he/she doesn't understand the concept of "intermediate."
She/he thinks that intermediate means "similar". But what is meant by the word is the "mistakes". Where are all the fossils of the species of animals with three legs...the ones that weren't selected. For there to be an actual ACT of selection...there needs to be a variation of FAILING species. Like the species of canines that didn't have sharp teeth or had three legs instead of 4 ...or had short stumpy hind legs and long forward legs...the one's that did not have the "advantageous" traits. However...what she/he fails to realize is that all those species are PERFECTLY adapted to their enviornment. Also what our unlearned friend doesn't understand is such phenomena in the fossil record as the CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION. Within a relatively short span of the history of our earth's record...a great great many species SUDDENLY appeared...and flourished on earth. We still don't understand how or why this happened in such a short time.

Also, if you notice troll runners comments...he says that "NATURAL SELECTION" is the driving mechanism. What foolishness brother?
It is as if natural selection is a god, auzubillah, who picks and chooses consciously which species should live and which should die. However, natural selection is not "a proven fact" ...and I challenge anyone to present to me the data. These kids don't know....but I got a major in biology and I've studied the issue for 5 years. This is my thing... For natural selection to work there needs to be a great variety of different species... there has to be humans with three eyes and one's with eyes in the back of their head...eyes in their hands... or four hands and 1 leg ...but we don't see such variation. Rather, we see constant and perfect forms, without "intermediaries". So how does "natural selection" select they say? Well, as the name describes, "nature" selects. So nature, the enviornment is the active force, and supposedly, "higher complex" life is the passive force that reacts to it. But if you think about it ...nature is also life. So life is selecting life? Trees are making giraffes taller? or giraffes are making trees taller? You see the absurdity of it all? 100 years ago, well known scientists, anatomists, and physicians were convinced of their "pseudo science" ...craniometry...and they published books upon books driving the idea that whites are superior to the rest. This was their scientific reason for having plantation farms, for conquering and "civilizing" africa etc... Today, we have these brainwashed kids believing that they are "evolving" ...excuse me "progressing" ..on a linear path...towards some higher form of existence by the goddess named Natural Selection.

[Alchemist]

First of all, did you know the oldest human bone is roughly 150,000 years old?

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See brothers...these people don't know they are talking about

Turkana Boy - 1.5 million years old

Turkana Boy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The specimen comprises 108 bones, making it the most complete early human skeleton that we have. The skeleton is about 1.60 m (5 ft 3 in) tall. In adulthood, Turkana Boy might have reached 1.85 m (6 ft 1 in) tall and massed 68 kg (150 lb).

[Alchemist]

thanks for your lengthy reply and fair enough.
i have nor problem with 80 percent but the problem is that 80% is all there is and is extremely illogical.
for example human beings and chimps have over 90% of same DNA but even if it was 99.9% still it doesnt prove we evolved from chimps but it proves that whatever we are built from are also used to build the chimps or bananas.

Even this 99% DNA match with primates is bogus.

Brother...
Do you know how they do the match?

You get some "chunks" of DNA fragments from a monkey and you notice that of them reads ACTGGCCATT, for example.

Then You get a DNA fragment from a human and you notice it reads AGGATCCAAA...then you say to ur self .. Well, it starts with A, so it matches.. then it has GG, and that matches... and then you CCA..and that matches ...so the ther nucleotides have been transposed over years..or are artifacts...so you take them out and you have AGGCCA as a perfect match.

Believe it or not...this is how they do it.

[Midnight_Sun]

thanks for your lengthy reply and fair enough.
i have nor problem with 80 percent but the problem is that 80% is all there is and is extremely illogical.
for example human beings and chimps have over 90% of same DNA but even if it was 99.9% still it doesnt prove we evolved from chimps but it proves that whatever we are built from are also used to build the chimps or bananas.

We are NOT from chimps, this is a myth created by Christians who want to ignorantly attack the theory of evolution. Homo Sapiens had their own branch, and we had our own cousins, Neanderthals and Denisovans were our closest. We lived among them 50,000 years ago.

[Midnight_Sun]

tsk tsk tsk ....

See brothers...these people don't know they are talking about

Turkana Boy - 1.5 million years old

Turkana Boy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The specimen comprises 108 bones, making it the most complete early human skeleton that we have. The skeleton is about 1.60 m (5 ft 3 in) tall. In adulthood, Turkana Boy might have reached 1.85 m (6 ft 1 in) tall and massed 68 kg (150 lb).

Before you run to conclusions, you might want to research Turkana Boy before you display a picture of his skeleton. He was NOT Homo Sapiens, he was Homo Erectus. The oldest human bone was found to be roughly 150,000-195,000 years old in Ethiopia. Genetically, we diverged from other Hominid species at roughly 200,000 years ago.

You can read about this fascinating discovery here:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223122209.htm

[Midnight_Sun]

They would have you believe that brain sizes grew proportionally with intelligence.

No, no, we would not have you believe this. You can believe in a flying spaghetti for all I care. Knowledge grows exponentially among our species, not brain size. You should avoid putting words in other peoples mouths.

But what our misguided and unlearned amature friend doesn't know is that Cro magnon man had bigger brains than US! about 1500 cc...we average 1300... so does that mean they were smarter than us? It puts a serious dent in the theory.

If you actually read what I said, you would know that I said knowledge is what grows exponentially. Cro Magnons had bigger brains, but they did not achieve technological advancement as our society. It is Human knowledge that has expanded exponentially since their time.

Considering you can't tell the difference between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapien, didn't bother to even understand what I had to say, that seems to allude to the fact that you really have just 'brushed' over the facts rather than actually read them.

Then this midnight sun...lol funny nick ...is posting pictures of different species and calling them "intermediate" because he/she doesn't understand the concept of "intermediate."
She/he thinks that intermediate means "similar". But what is meant by the word is the "mistakes". Where are all the fossils of the species of animals with three legs...the ones that weren't selected.

Genetic variation happens all the time, but you can't just prop up 7 leg creature and expect them to survive in a hostile world where predation is prevalent. If I saw a 7 drums stick chicken who walks funny and can't even run and I saw a 2 legged one that could fly, which one would I kill and eat? Transitional fossils have homologous anatomy, environment, and purpose. If you saw a skeleton of a Tiger and a skeleton of a Jaguar, would you just assume that these two species were NEVER related? Genetic evidence also attests to connections between species.

For there to be an actual ACT of selection...there needs to be a variation of FAILING species. Like the species of canines that didn't have sharp teeth or had three legs instead of 4 ...

For some reason you seem to completely ignore phylogeny and cladistics, which I do not understand. Divergent species have existed and disappeared. There's a difference between Genetic mutation (e.g. extra digits, extremities, etc) and divergence of a species. Cladistics take into account the bone structure, the environment, the feeding habits, the adaptive features (bifocal vision, etc) and matches them to their closest relatives. Even if two species share similar heterotrophic qualities, lived in similar environments, and even shared similar adaptive qualities, cladistics can prove wether they were homologous or analogous like the Tasmanian wolf and modern wolves. Environments drive change and adaptive qualities and like the living species which inhabit, it too can change. Even MUSLIM scientists over 500 years ago were able to find sea shells in strata that now exist in a high mountain plain. The strata above the Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan are from the Devonian period when Afghanistan was a bunch of islands and surrounded by a sea.

Also what our unlearned friend doesn't understand is such phenomena in the fossil record as the CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION. Within a relatively short span of the history of our earth's record...a great great many species SUDDENLY appeared...and flourished on earth. We still don't understand how or why this happened in such a short time.

That's the beauty of science, we find answers and continue to perfect the answers. It's not that they don't 'know' it's that there are arguments. Some scientists argue that there might not have been any explosion at all since we now know that life evolved on Earth at an even earlier time. They haven't come to a consensus so they will continue to do their research. Nobody is negating that it didn't happen since the fossil record shows a quite a lot of diversity at this point. It distinctly showed that animals were having an ancient arms race. Developing armor, more advanced optics, and growing larger.

[Midnight_Sun]

Here is the chain of species from Therapoda that did not survive and those that survived and adapted into modern avians:

[graveyardofempires]

Here is the chain of species from Therapoda that did not survive and those that survived and adapted into modern avians:

this is a joke
for a person believing a mere theory you dont act arrogantly sure of yourself and using words such as spaghetti monster.

this yet another fantasy illustration is no proof.
you throw at us a bunch of phrases which again is made by the same people phrases like hom sapiens or erectus.What the hell are those?
you are yet to show me a skelet of some sort fo transitional form.
btw the major pundits of this theory say we did evolve from monkeys so stick to the ball and dont run aroudn in circles.

[Midnight_Sun]

this yet another fantasy illustration is no proof.

The thing is GOE, you and others who just simply choose to ignore things, will never understand something like this if you don't want to dig deep and learn about how these morphological variances occur. You want a complete set of divergent evolution that occurred from the sea to a bird? Cladistics is the answer you are looking for. I'm not going to give you a science lesson, look it up, read it, and then come back with your questions.

you throw at us a bunch of phrases which again is made by the same people phrases like hom sapiens or erectus.What the hell are those?

Oh man....

Homo Erectus

Denisova hominin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

btw the major pundits of this theory say we did evolve from monkeys so stick to the ball and dont run aroudn in circles.

That's like saying a bunch of liars made an accusation, and now you want me to defend it. I"m not going to do that. Since you seem to only like replying to pictures and not actually reading (or understanding) what I have to say, you might want to take a look at this, it's easy, and it has lots of pictures for you:

Evolution: Darwin: In the Name of Darwin

Oo look this one has pictures and video for you:

Evolution: Darwin: An Origin of Species

[graveyardofempires]

The thing is GOE, you and others who just simply choose to ignore things, will never understand something like this if you don't want to dig deep and learn about how these morphological variances occur. You want a complete set of divergent evolution that occurred from the sea to a bird? Cladistics is the answer you are looking for. I'm not going to give you a science lesson, look it up, read it, and then come back with your questions.




Oh man....

Homo Erectus

Denisova hominin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



That's like saying a bunch of liars made an accusation, and now you want me to defend it. I"m not going to do that. Since you seem to only like replying to pictures and not actually reading (or understanding) what I have to say, you might want to take a look at this, it's easy, and it has lots of pictures for you:

Evolution: Darwin: In the Name of Darwin

Oo look this one has pictures and video for you:

Evolution: Darwin: An Origin of Species

the problem here is you are acting as if the evolution THEORY is true.
you are giving me a couple of extremely complicated terms which i dont know and dont give value.
for example you say morphological,so now you are trying to hide behind these words as did the pundits and when asked to explain they will say "its too complicated you will not understadn it" or "for this to happen it takes hundreds and thousands of years".Offcourse that generation wont be aroudn so they can easily chaneg it something else.

just say it,there is no transational forms so there is no evolution happening except for the spiritual evolution.Dont give me that "it is so complicated" or "you dont know how it works".

I had done my research from various sources but havent read origin of species cuz i think it will be waste of time and at the end i will feel being dumbed down.