For the Hardcore Atheists

[شمله ور خراساني]

When did this happen? I mean at least on this forum.

And, on the contrary, I can pinpoint your own posts in which you yourself have resorted to name-calling and insults.

I was making a general statement about atheists. Not particularly anyone from PF.


And I do tend to say things that can be considered as insulting or name calling. But I disagree. I just see it as making observations and daring to state facts of life.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Not everyone is feeble-minded, wror gula! As I've said before, you seem to think that ANYONE who disagrees with you has had his/her "nerve hit." Of course. But then again, don't you know that the person who claims, "Did I hit a nerve?" is implying that HIS own nerve just got hit. If anything, your own posts have anger, disrespect, and intolerance painted all over them, and here you are, telling everyone else who disagrees with you "easy now." You've said it to MWMN, me, Mujib, Nadir, Laevaney Zalmaye, Strategist Maseed, and everyone else whose perspectives don't parallel yours.

So, calm down, Sangar. This is a discussion. No need for irrelevant comments like "Did I hit a nerve there?" Refute the interlocutor's views, and if you can't, just either be honest to yourself and others or save yourself the embarrassment of taking part in a conversation about which you lack elementary knowledge.

Nadir Shah has his own public spokesperson. What did he do to have his own spokesperson?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Why did you leave Islam but promote others who do to be killed who do.

Go prepare CIA jihad on Iran, Saudi and Wahabis are awaiting their Wahabi Messiah, Maybe you will get 72 white virgins and you can have a orgy with the sheik who told you this.

Kind Regards

No thank you. I rather stick to posting on PF. Which appears to make your life miserable.

[Nadir Shah]

Those who have turned to Atheism think they know it all. They ask "proof for good" but they can not provide proof for him not existing either.

ITS A LOSE LOSE SITUATION FOR YOU GUYS.

Malgariya, it is the norm among rational, civilized people that the person who claims some hypothesis to be true, the same person must provide the logical reasoning/ empirical evidence to support the hypothesis before it is accepted.

[Nadir Shah]

that is when faith comes into effect. Heard of faith wrora?

Faith, unfortunately, does not count as evidence or logic. The whole purpose of the thread, I suppose, was to provide logical arguments and/or scientific/empirical evidence for the existense of God. Needless to say, None has been forthcoming.

[Roshina]

Faith, unfortunately, does not count as evidence or logic. The whole purpose of the thread, I suppose, was to provide logical arguments and/or scientific/empirical evidence for the existense of God. Needless to say, None has been forthcoming.

Unfortunately, also, faith comes into play only when our Muslim beliefs are concerned :| For Hindus, for instance, we can't say, "Look, leave them alone, okay? It's called faith! They have their reasons for believing what they do and worshiping what they worship." For other non-Muslims, faith doesn't matter, either. Only for Muslims.

I don't know how we're expected to fall for this or accept it as a good enough reason for anyone's beliefs.

[Roshina]

Those who have turned to Atheism think they know it all. They ask "proof for good" but they can not provide proof for him not existing either.

Um. Seriously? If I tell you that I don't have a grandfather or that my grandmother passed away last month or that I don't have a niece, are you going to ask me for evidence?

In other words, wror gula, you don't ask anyone to prove the ABSENCE of anything.

And it's actually untrue that (all) atheists want the proof of God's existence. Many have other reasons for believing that God does not exist. You need to get yourself familiar with their beliefs and disbelief before you involve yourself in a discussion on them. Just some friendly advice, nothing bad.

[Nadir Shah]

Unfortunately, also, faith comes into play only when our Muslim beliefs are concerned :| For Hindus, for instance, we can't say, "Look, leave them alone, okay? It's called faith! They have their reasons for believing what they do and worshiping what they worship." For other non-Muslims, faith doesn't matter, either. Only for Muslims.

I don't know how we're expected to fall for this or accept it as a good enough reason for anyone's beliefs.

A minor but important disagreement. The personal beliefs of any person do not concern is outside of a discussion precisely for this purpose. A person could believe in 'One', 'Thirteen', 'Forty Seven', 'Two-Thousand One Hundered and Eighty Seven', or 'Six million' Gods, for all we care (Why is the concept of 'One' being so alluring?). Our problems arise when the said person or gourp of persons, seek to impose their views/thoughts on others, and most often, using voilence as a means. This is totally unaccepetable. Should a person be of no detriment to another individual and the society as as long as he contributes to the Pashtun cause to his fullest capacity, We should not be concerned about his belief or lack thereof.

[Roshina]

A minor but important disagreement. The personal beliefs of any person do not concern is outside of a discussion precisely for this purpose.

Never, ever should a person's personal beliefs be brought up or held against that person in any discussion.

But you said "for this purpose." I'm not sure what that purpose is, though. I mean, I can think of tons of reasons why one's personal beliefs shouldn't be brought up in a discussion, but I'm not sure what you refer to here.

A person could believe in 'One', 'Thirteen', 'Forty Seven', 'Two-Thousand One Hundered and Eighty Seven', or 'Six million' Gods, for all we care (Why is the concept of 'One' being so alluring?). Our problems arise when the said person or gourp of persons, seek to impose their views/thoughts on others, and most often, using voilence as a means. This is totally unaccepetable. Should a person be of no detriment to another individual and the society as as long as he contributes to the Pashtun cause to his fullest capacity, We should not be concerned about his belief or lack thereof.

That's the problem. In the opinions of many Muslims, not believing in God is detrimental to society :S And so is polytheism and hundreds of other things that some humans would actually find totally harmless to society. In other words, anything that's not in sync with their beliefs is detrimental to society at large, and this is the belief that I personally can't stand.

[єѕαρχαι]

nadir shah. you are doing good dawah for atheism.
Just dont ever go to afghanistan. else someone will behead you :p

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I am really confused who are the Atheists here and who are not.

[Nadir Shah]

Nadir Shah is the Atheist.

Malgariya, that is rather unkind and not very well informed. You should not judge me by a few posts.

[Nadir Shah]

Nadira
What is your main problem with Islam?

Malgariya, Please read the whole thread, If you care.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Nadir Shah

I have noticed you constantly say Arab-Islam do you know Arabs are a minority in Islam?

[Roshina]

Nadir Shah

I have noticed you constantly say Arab-Islam do you know Arabs are a minority in Islam?

If I understand his view correctly, by Arab-Islam, he means that the Islam that is practiced by Arabs, which may or may not necessarily be the one that the Quran and hadiths support. We know, for example, that Saudi Arabia isn't an "Islamic" state but many of us are fooled to think it is just because the Prophet was from there.

It's not about which race has the most Muslims or anything like that but rather a specific brand of Islam being practiced by a group of people.