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[QUOTE=Khaney;43780]Yes but the majority here are Muslim.
Then you believe in democracy..do your salafi beliefs let you believe in democracy. Even in democracy minority has rights and we may take care of some members who are not Muslims.
It's also the duty of a Muslim to provide dawah where it is necessary, to stop wrong doing and to even help educate others (especially in Islamic knowledge).
You do dawa and educate but dont close topics. If you say specially in islamic knowledge then Astrology has nothing to do with Islam. Dont educate us with Astrology which does not fall in the catogory of islamic knowledge.
Haraam is haraam, there aren't different laws amongst Muslims, the same rules apply for us all.
haram is haram but astrology is not haram. can you prove it exactly in Quran where it says that astrology is haram . And if you mak eit haram then may be for you not for me. You are not God to make thos ethings haram whioch even God did not make haram. i am also a muslim but I dont call it haram.
I don't make the rules, I follow them. So this declaration isn't mine, dear brother. It doesn't matter the opinions of Muslims.. I haven't presented my opinion, simply my argument backed by Islamic evidence (Qur'an & Hadiths); so basically the ruling in Islam
the ruling may be of an extremist Mulla not of Islam. You cant impose your decrees of haram and halal on us. I consider astrology mubah, neither allowed , nor forbidden, not halal not haram, no sin no virtue, some thing very innocent, a game, a fun, a leisure activity , some thing light not in catagory of halal or haram.
If you can find any Islamic evidence to support your claims, then go for it. As far as I see, this is just your opinion, everything I have posted is Islamic understanding.
Yes its my opinion and I dont need to present any islamic evidence otherwise I have to present Islamic evidence for whatever I do like poetry, literature, music, dance. internet, mathematics, psychology, para psychology, metaphysics, extra sensual perception, many many things and i dont have Islamic evidence for all those because Islam has nothing to do with all these things including Astrology. Islam is beliefs in supernatural beings, prophets, holy books, modes of worship and part of morality nothing else. Astrology is beyond the domain of Islam. Dont mix islamic an dnon islamic things like monotheism and astrology. both are poles apart.
If you oppose the Islamic perspective then fair enough, to each their own. However, I'm sorry if this is to your dismay, but the islamic stance is quite clear on this issue. It's one even which the scholars don't differ on.
The unseen is quite literally the unseen.. no not rain, and why you said Allah has kept child sex for himself baffles me? I’m sorry if I have misunderstood, but please explain what you mean.
I wanted to refer to the Quranic verse Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs.3625 Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow:3626 Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)
where few things are mentioned to be the exclusive knowledge of Allah even those with interpretaions as now rain, child sex etc can be determined in advance by human beings.
(Islamic) Definition of the unseen: The term 'unseen' in its wider application is employed to cover everything which is not directly visible or audible. Likewise it also covers all that is not directly accessible through other human sensory faculties. In this respect we may also define the unseen as a domain which covers all forms of existence which lie beyond the direct access of the five senses. The things which belong to this category do not remain permanently inaccessible. They are inaccessible only with reference to a given period in time.
Supose I dont see USA but I know that USA exists. I dont see makkah but I know it exists. To see some thing or feel some thing with senses directly is not the only proof of existence. Again there is extra sensual perception where from we have intutional, mystical, revelational and other metaphysical or para psychological experiences. Unseen if it belong to the here after or the life after death then it may be the exclusive domain of God otherwise its difficult to distinguish seen and unseen. For you one thing is seen for another its un seen and vice versa. even your definition tells us that They are inaccessible only with reference to a given period in time.
Your points aren’t making sense to me, *how is everything* unseen, why would we have to sleep and remain idle...?
If we make all unseen as the exclusive domain of God and we believe in fate or prededetermination then majority of things are unseen an dthen if only God knows these, then we as human beings may not interfere in these unseen things and may remain idle. this fatalism and making God only responsable for unseen is one of the reason of the down fall of Muslims.
Not necessarily, how is it unavoidable?
how can you maange in modern dayaffairs if you dont plan for the future .......
Then you believe in democracy..do your salafi beliefs let you believe in democracy. Even in democracy minority has rights and we may take care of some members who are not Muslims.
It's also the duty of a Muslim to provide dawah where it is necessary, to stop wrong doing and to even help educate others (especially in Islamic knowledge).
You do dawa and educate but dont close topics. If you say specially in islamic knowledge then Astrology has nothing to do with Islam. Dont educate us with Astrology which does not fall in the catogory of islamic knowledge.
Haraam is haraam, there aren't different laws amongst Muslims, the same rules apply for us all.
haram is haram but astrology is not haram. can you prove it exactly in Quran where it says that astrology is haram . And if you mak eit haram then may be for you not for me. You are not God to make thos ethings haram whioch even God did not make haram. i am also a muslim but I dont call it haram.
I don't make the rules, I follow them. So this declaration isn't mine, dear brother. It doesn't matter the opinions of Muslims.. I haven't presented my opinion, simply my argument backed by Islamic evidence (Qur'an & Hadiths); so basically the ruling in Islam
the ruling may be of an extremist Mulla not of Islam. You cant impose your decrees of haram and halal on us. I consider astrology mubah, neither allowed , nor forbidden, not halal not haram, no sin no virtue, some thing very innocent, a game, a fun, a leisure activity , some thing light not in catagory of halal or haram.
If you can find any Islamic evidence to support your claims, then go for it. As far as I see, this is just your opinion, everything I have posted is Islamic understanding.
Yes its my opinion and I dont need to present any islamic evidence otherwise I have to present Islamic evidence for whatever I do like poetry, literature, music, dance. internet, mathematics, psychology, para psychology, metaphysics, extra sensual perception, many many things and i dont have Islamic evidence for all those because Islam has nothing to do with all these things including Astrology. Islam is beliefs in supernatural beings, prophets, holy books, modes of worship and part of morality nothing else. Astrology is beyond the domain of Islam. Dont mix islamic an dnon islamic things like monotheism and astrology. both are poles apart.
If you oppose the Islamic perspective then fair enough, to each their own. However, I'm sorry if this is to your dismay, but the islamic stance is quite clear on this issue. It's one even which the scholars don't differ on.
The unseen is quite literally the unseen.. no not rain, and why you said Allah has kept child sex for himself baffles me? I’m sorry if I have misunderstood, but please explain what you mean.
I wanted to refer to the Quranic verse Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs.3625 Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow:3626 Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)
where few things are mentioned to be the exclusive knowledge of Allah even those with interpretaions as now rain, child sex etc can be determined in advance by human beings.
(Islamic) Definition of the unseen: The term 'unseen' in its wider application is employed to cover everything which is not directly visible or audible. Likewise it also covers all that is not directly accessible through other human sensory faculties. In this respect we may also define the unseen as a domain which covers all forms of existence which lie beyond the direct access of the five senses. The things which belong to this category do not remain permanently inaccessible. They are inaccessible only with reference to a given period in time.
Supose I dont see USA but I know that USA exists. I dont see makkah but I know it exists. To see some thing or feel some thing with senses directly is not the only proof of existence. Again there is extra sensual perception where from we have intutional, mystical, revelational and other metaphysical or para psychological experiences. Unseen if it belong to the here after or the life after death then it may be the exclusive domain of God otherwise its difficult to distinguish seen and unseen. For you one thing is seen for another its un seen and vice versa. even your definition tells us that They are inaccessible only with reference to a given period in time.
Your points aren’t making sense to me, *how is everything* unseen, why would we have to sleep and remain idle...?
If we make all unseen as the exclusive domain of God and we believe in fate or prededetermination then majority of things are unseen an dthen if only God knows these, then we as human beings may not interfere in these unseen things and may remain idle. this fatalism and making God only responsable for unseen is one of the reason of the down fall of Muslims.
Not necessarily, how is it unavoidable?
how can you maange in modern dayaffairs if you dont plan for the future .......
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