The Great Osho ...He changed me completely. Let us know him and discuss his ideas.

[Badlun]

I will request all of you to please comment on the theme of the thread not very personal remarks.

This thread is about Osho. You may appreciate Osho or criticize him but the talk should be related to Osho or his ideas.

My purpose of this thread to have a good discussion on the personality and thoughts of the Master and Guru Osho thus to have a nice of collection of ideas about this great man.

[El Camello]

I use to be an agnostic in the past. This is all documented facts about who I was when I was a bit younger. I was influenced by the hiphop culture of Dutch suburbs in the late 90's.

Me too.
I don't know about Dutch hiphop, but hiphop in general isn't an anti-religious form of music like Satanic heavy metal, etc. which were created to appeal to the White devils.

I have two angels documenting every move I make and I have Allah who is constantly watching every move I make, I have no reason to hide or lie about who I was and what I use to do.

Yes.


Every Muslim knows that Islam washes away all previous sins. So there is no need for a Muslim to lie or be secretive about his past. Unless he doesn't want people to discuss matters that can encourage sinful behavior.

OK.

Regarding having a threesome with a Tajik, see, lest just assume that I actually did that. What is a graver sin? Doubting Islam or having a threesome?

Doubting Islam is the graver sin IMO.

Doubting Islam is disbelief, which is far worse than anything else.

I agree.

So if I don't hide the fact that I use to be agnostic, why would I feel shame for hiding a sin less severe?

Maybe because people will make fun of you for it.

The truth is, I never had sex before I got married. the reason why [MENTION=4934]RevolutionThroughReason[/MENTION] said that about me is because he was angry. He knows that this is not the truth.

You're married? You? Really? RTR is sexually frustrated himself so he takes it out on others but I just used what he said about you to insult you since you insulted me.

In fact, Parsi use to be a member of the Panjsheri gang back in 2004. I use to insult Ahmed Shah Massoud on daily bases on dutch Afghan forums. So Parsi decided to threaten me. He even made an appointment with me for a fight. This is all known not only to RTR but even some other old members of Afghansite.

I have no idea about "Parsi" or "Panjsheri gangs" or Afghansite, so I don't know what history you guys have. This was the first forum I joined and the only one I post on.

I use to ridicule and mock Parsi on Afghansite for not daring to come and face me after posting threats online. Even his gang leader, Khyber who was a half Pashtun-half panjsheri supporter of northern alliance disowned Parsi when I confronted him about the stupid threats posted online.

OK.

Parsi was an extremely emotional, shallow metrosexual wanna-be thug who served as a tajik online punching bag. He never dared to meet up with people he was threatening and insulting online.

I am sure he was.

So claiming that I actually had a threesome with him is a typical desperate moves by RTR whenever he feels unconfortable.

OK, I believe you.

I don't need to discuss his past. From an Islamic perspective there is no benefit in doing that. However, he thinks that he should talk allot of trash about other in order to save his own status.

Yes, I agree.

You seem to have changed for the better, good for you!

I am however a very bad person even though I believe in Allah. That is just how I am, I am evil. I have a great number of sins which I have committed and continue to commit.

Sometimes, I think I am a cambion (half-human, half-demon offspring) and I think I get my demonic nature from my dad. I have no empathy, guilt, conscience or remorse.

[El Camello]

explain how I attacked you.

You called me "kaafir" and you said I pretend to be a Muslim.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You called me "kaafir" and you said I pretend to be a Muslim.

I admit I have a conforntational way of talking to people. But it doesn't necessarily mean I am trying to insult people.

Regarding the "kaafir" comment. I want to debate you on the topic of hadith.

[El Camello]

I admit I have a conforntational way of talking to people. But it doesn't necessarily mean I am trying to insult people.

Regarding the "kaafir" comment. I want to debate you on the topic of hadith.

OK, but I don't think we should do it in that "Shoes" thread.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Yes, I agree.

You seem to have changed for the better, good for you!

I am however a very bad person even though I believe in Allah. That is just how I am, I am evil. I have a great number of sins which I have committed and continue to commit.

Sometimes, I think I am a cambion (half-human, half-demon offspring) and I think I get my demonic nature from my dad. I have no empathy, guilt, conscience or remorse.

Basically, your condition is known as one of a person with a dead heart. Your heart needs reviving. The way to revive the heart is to study the Islamic science of tazkiyat nafs. It is something you can learn by reading and putting into practice what you read.

http://www.kalamullah.com/hearts.html

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=170701

I suffer from a very weak impure heart myself. I need to do allot of cleaning myself. Forgive me if I hurt your feelings.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

OK, but I don't think we should do it in that "Shoes" thread.

ask a moderator if he or she can move our posts into a seperate thread.

[El Camello]

Basically, your condition is known as one of a person with a dead heart. Your heart needs reviving. The way to revive the heart is to study the Islamic science of tazkiyat nafs. It is something you can learn by reading and putting into practice what you read.

http://www.kalamullah.com/hearts.html

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=170701

I suffer from a very weak impure heart myself. I need to do allot of cleaning myself. Forgive me if I hurt your feelings.

Ok, thank you. I will look into this and insha`Allah, I will work towards improving myself.

You didn't hurt my feelings but when someone says something to me, I say something back, so I am also sorry for that "threesome" remark I made.

[El Camello]

ask a moderator if he or she can move our posts into a seperate thread.

OK, I'll tell Randolph. He is the only active mod. anyway.

But if he doesn't do it tonight, I may not be able to post for a few days as I am leaving for Dubai in the early morning.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Ok, thank you. I will look into this and insha`Allah, I will work towards improving myself.

You didn't hurt my feelings but when someone says something to me, I say something back, so I am also sorry for that "threesome" remark I made.

its all good.

[El Camello]

I will request all of you to please comment on the theme of the thread not very personal remarks.

This thread is about Osho. You may appreciate Osho or criticize him but the talk should be related to Osho or his ideas.

My purpose of this thread to have a good discussion on the personality and thoughts of the Master and Guru Osho thus to have a nice of collection of ideas about this great man.

Badlun, I am sorry for ignoring this.

Now I will only post Osho-related stuff in this thread.

[Mujib]

Who is Osho?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Who is Osho?

Badlun's previous nickname based on a Hindu who claimed he is God. http://www.osho.com/

[SiiNii]

Guys can you please keep the insults and beefs to PMs or another part of the forum? This thread is about the teachings and life of the guru of sex and Rolls Royce.

Experts from England were called to India. They tried hard, and they said, "It is impossible. You will have to live with it." It was just a coincidence that one of the models of Rolls Royce, Silver Spur, suited me. The driver's seat in that car fits perfectly, gives me no trouble.

[Badlun]

Who is Osho?

Osho is a Sufi


Osho : Sufism is a vision. In fact to call it ’Sufism’ is not right because it is not an ’ism’ at all. Sufis don’t call it ’Sufism’; it is the name given by the outsiders. They call their vision TASSAWURI, a love-vision, a loving approach towards reality. It is falling in love with existence. The person who thinks about existence is a little bit antagonistic because he creates a problem out of existence – as if existence is challenging him and he has to decipher it, he has to decode the mystery, he has to destroy the mystery. He fights.
Sufis say: We and the existence are one. There is no need to fight. Persuade, coo, invite, love, befriend, and the existence itself starts revealing its mysteries. There is no need to rape it. The philosophic approach, the scientific approach, the intellectual approach, is a rape!
It is forcing existence to reveal its heart. It is undressing existence by force and violence. The violence may be of scientific methods or of logical methods – it doesn’t matter – but the violence is there. The philosopher has taken a standpoint as if nature is not ready to reveal its mysteries; it has to be forced. It is a violent approach. Sufism says there is no need, the existence is waiting for you to come close so that it can reveal its heart.
The existence is waiting for you to fall in love with it. If you are deeply in love with existence, it starts opening, it starts revealing its secrets. It has been waiting long for you to come close. There is no need to force it, there is no need to rape! You can fall in love. A world-view is an aggressive stance, a vision is a love stance. I said to you that Sufism is not a system, because all systems create bondage. They create prisons around you.
Sufism is freedom. It does not create any system around you. It does not tell you to believe in a certain system. Yes, it talks about trust, but not of belief. Trust is a totally different thing. Belief is belief in a theory, in a philosophy, in a world-view: you believe in Islam, you believe in Hinduism, you believe in Christianity. But when you trust, you trust in life. You don’t believe in life, you trust in life; you believe in philosophies.

http://zoya-thewayofasufi.blogspot.com/2011/09/osho-on-sufism.html

Once a learned Mohammedan came to me and asked, ‘You are not a Mohammedan, then why do you speak on Sufism?’ I told him, ‘I am not a Mohammedan, obviously, but I am a Sufi all the same.’

A Sufi need not be a Mohammedan. A Sufi can exist anywhere, in any form – because Sufism is the essential core of all religions. It has nothing to do with Islam in particular. Sufism can exist without Islam; Islam cannot exist without Sufism. Without Sufism, Islam is a corpse. Only with Sufism does it become alive.

Whenever a religion is alive it is because of Sufism. Sufism simply means a love affair with God, with the ultimate, a love affair with the whole. It means that one is ready to dissolve into the whole, that one is ready to invite the whole to come into one’s heart. It knows no formality. It is not confined by any dogma, doctrine, creed or church. Christ is a Sufi, so is Mohammed. Krishna is a Sufi, so is Buddha. This is the first thing I would like you to remember: that Sufism is the innermost core – as Zen is, as Hassidism is. These are only different names of the same ultimate relationship with God.

http://www.absolutoracle.com/SufiMaster/Articles2/sufismBeyondIslam%20.htm

Sufism is not concerned with knowledge. Its whole concern is love, intense, passionate love: how to fall in love with the whole, how to be in tune with the whole, how to bridge the distance between the creation and the creator.
The so-called organized religions of the world teach a kind of duality, that the creator is separate from the creation, that the creator is higher than the creation, it has to be renounced. Sufi′s don′t renounce, they rejoice. And that′s what I am teaching you here: Rejoice!
My sannyas is a way of rejoicing, not a way of renunciation.
Rumi has said:
If you are not one with the Beloved,
Seek!
And if you are in union,
Rejoice!
This assembly is a Sufi assembly. You are my Sufis, the Sufis of the new age. I am introducing you to the world of love. I am initiating you into the ways of love . . .
http://www.satrak****a.be/osho_on_sufism.htm