The Great Osho ...He changed me completely. Let us know him and discuss his ideas.

[Tjanaparh]

I think Badlun did never hide that he was osho, he simply chaged nickname, like i did, from Arevapasht to Janaparh. But i never read about him saying to be indian.
Internet however is such a thing where it is almost impossible to proof certain things.
And actually most people in this forum hide their real identity.
With exception perhaps of Killzai, Shahbaz and SoldatAmir and few others.

[El Camello]

Even though I disagree with his political and religious views, Badlun seems to be a polite, genuine and honest person.

From the way he talks and his usage of terms like "level best", "shift", etc.
I can tell that he is either Pakistani or that he learnt English in Pakistan because such expressions are typically only used by speakers of Pakistani English.

I am glad that he has distanced himself from Osho.

[Badlun]

I vever distanced myself from Osho. Osho has changed my life completely. No body could influence my life as Osho did. I learnt great things like killing of mind before mind kills you, difference of religion and religiosity, the real sufism, spiritualism, the real meaning of sex, tantra sex, zen Buddhism, dynamic meditation etc.

He was an awakeebd being. He is my guru. He is my master. The one thing that he gives me daily is that I sleep in one second because he taught me how to switch off your mind.

I learned life from him. I am a practicing Muslim but at the same time I follow Osho because he is my spiritual guru. I do not see any clash between what he teaches and Islam as a religion or spiritual system. He is great admirer of Sufi Islam. His books and Sufism are great.

[Badlun]

What is the crux of Osho's teachings?



Osho is/was an awakened being. He is described as a guru, philosopher, teacher, thinker, etc. He is/was all, but yet he was none of these. He is/was a knower beyond knowledge, a thinker beyond thought, yet cannot truly be described as a paradox, because a paradox can still be fathomed by the mind. The reason why the term "is/was" is used, is to show that time is irrelevant and that his essence is still very much alive. In meditation, time does not exist. He explained that meditation is something that is not done, yet he taught people to do things that got them into a state of meditation.

To those that professed to be his students, he was a teacher, to those who were seekers, he was a spiritual guide, to those who were disciples, he was a master, to those who were wayfarers, he was a friend.

Although he did not really teach, because a teaching would be something that a person can pass and integrate into the intellect, he left behind a legacy and wealth of spiritual knowledge for spiritual seekers to integrate into their spiritual egos. His teaching however, is constructed in such a manner as to make the spiritual ego fall apart.

To objectify the essence of Osho's so-called teachings as being this or that, does injustice to him. Even to say, "He is" (this or that), or "He was" (this or that) distorts reality. It cannot truly be described in words, because his teaching goes far beyond the state of mental chatter associating and trying to organize, understand and label things, which we experience and that we are constantly in. His teachings go far beyond any enlightenment we may have. Trying to describe its essence is like trying to drive a nail into the water of a river to keep it there. It is simply an exercise in absurdity, because no matter how hard you try to describe it, it is not that, because words cannot describe.

He said that the moment you put truth into words it becomes a lie. Truth is an experience that can only be felt, it is not a fact that can be stated. The only fact is that he underwent this experience, but the experience remains an experience and only an experience. Such experiences are beyond the 5 senses, but encompass them.

Osho underwent this experience of awakening to his truth and he talked about it.
He made it clear that such experiences are always beyond words and to describe in words, that which words are not capable of describing is nothing less then making a false statement. He explained that it is an experience that cannot be explained to someone listening, using the mind, because it would be like trying to show the beauty of sunlight or of color to a blind man. It is also like trying to teach someone how to taste, smell, hear or see... if such possibilities do not exist, because they are inhibited or non-existent.

Essentially, it was not his goal to teach a persons mind anything, he shared and the only aim of this sharing was to make us see that we are missing this experience, which begins and ends with witnessing, which is far greater and of more major importance than any experience we have ever encountered in this life. It is a journey of self-discovery and complete understanding of the paradox of "I am" yet at the same time, "I am not" - being the "watcher on the hill" and at the same time recognizing that there is only watching, yet no watcher.

The crux of his sharing was focused on the generation of the desire to have such an experience, to give humans their true curious, adventurous and discovering nature back, which we have lost due to having learnt knowledge instead of the art of knowing without knowledge. He gave us the possibility to find out the truth for ourselves, which is something that can not be conveyed, can only be felt or experienced.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_crux_of_Osho%27s_teachings

[El Camello]

I vever distanced myself from Osho. Osho has changed my life completely. No body could influence my life as Osho did. I learnt great things like killing of mind before mind kills you, difference of religion and religiosity, the real sufism, spiritualism, the real meaning of sex, tantra sex, zen Buddhism, dynamic meditation etc.

He was an awakeebd being. He is my guru. He is my master. The one thing that he gives me daily is that I sleep in one second because he taught me how to switch off your mind.

I learned life from him. I am a practicing Muslim but at the same time I follow Osho because he is my spiritual guru. I do not see any clash between what he teaches and Islam as a religion or spiritual system. He is great admirer of Sufi Islam. His books and Sufism are great.

No offence to your Osho, but I can teach you much better things, such as:

1) The real reason why we are here and what our purpose in life is.

2) Our true nature as so-called "Colored people" and that we have the power to resurrect the dead.

3) Why so-called "White people" continue to do what they have always done and that they are literally the devil in a human disguise and what their true nature/reason for being here is. I can also tell you how they came to be and how we will put a stop to their devilish race in the coming future.

4) How to get rid of weakness and emotions and evolve into a Perfect Man.

5) The greatest gift to us from God is marijuana, it opens our eyes to the truth and that it is the tree of life whereas all other substances were made by the devils. Everyone should benefit from consuming the blessed herb. It is the only true medicine which can cure any illness.

6) The 5 points we should live by and strive to achieve, their meaning and 5 more points which can help us achieve the first 5 points which make a man King.

And many more concepts which are very important to know.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Whoever reads this thread and still considers Badlun is a Muslim is a kaafir.

[El Camello]

Whoever reads this thread and still considers Badlun is a Muslim is a kaafir.

You love using that word, don't you?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You love using that word, don't you?

Do you love pretending to be something you are not? ( first claiming to be Pashtun, now claiming to be Muslim)?

[El Camello]

Do you love pretending to be something you are not? ( first claiming to be Pashtun, now claiming to be Muslim)?

Do you love having 3somes with a Tajik guy?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Do you love having 3somes with a Tajik guy?

You are a person with absolutely no backbone. You have nothing useful to do so what you do is pretend to be someone else on public forums. Thats why you behave like you do. When you are exposed, you resort to your typical dramas and verbal abuse.

I gave you the benefit of doubt, but it seems you are not a person who deserves my attention.

[Badlun]

No offence to your Osho, but I can teach you much better things, such as:

1) The real reason why we are here and what our purpose in life is.

2) Our true nature as so-called "Colored people" and that we have the power to resurrect the dead.

3) Why so-called "White people" continue to do what they have always done and that they are literally the devil in a human disguise and what their true nature/reason for being here is. I can also tell you how they came to be and how we will put a stop to their devilish race in the coming future.

4) How to get rid of weakness and emotions and evolve into a Perfect Man.

5) The greatest gift to us from God is marijuana, it opens our eyes to the truth and that it is the tree of life whereas all other substances were made by the devils. Everyone should benefit from consuming the blessed herb. It is the only true medicine which can cure any illness.

6) The 5 points we should live by and strive to achieve, their meaning and 5 more points which can help us achieve the first 5 points which make a man King.

And many more concepts which are very important to know.

Please read Osho and you may find him very near to some of your thoughts. One of his revolutionizing concept is that life is a continuous party and one should live in the present as past is gone and future has not yet come.

He was against drugs as he said one should be happy naturally not with artificial substances but he was accused of using some drugs. I have to do further research on this issue.

Personally I do not smoke but I have tasted marijuana. It has some medicinal and relaxing effects. Drug in itself may not be bad but addiction is very dangerous.

[El Camello]

You are a person with absolutely no backbone. You have nothing useful to do so what you do is pretend to be someone else on public forums. Thats why you behave like you do. When you are exposed, you resort to your typical dramas and verbal abuse.

I gave you the benefit of doubt, but it seems you are not a person who deserves my attention.

So you are ashamed of your past?

Man a bad bloodclot man, I never once pretended to be an overzealous Wahhabi angel like you who lives in a kuffar country like Holland and cries about how unIslamic the society over there is all day long. Why don't you live in AfPak? Tu ere un payaso.

What beneift of doubt? You attacked me first.

I give my undivided attention to all misguided kids like you, I guess I am the bigger man here.

[El Camello]

Please read Osho and you may find him very near to some of your thoughts. One of his revolutionizing concept is that life is a continuous party and one should live in the present as past is gone and future has not yet come.

He was against drugs as he said one should be happy naturally not with artificial substances but he was accused of using some drugs. I have to do further research on this issue.

Personally I do not smoke but I have tasted marijuana. It has some medicinal and relaxing effects. Drug in itself may not be bad but addiction is very dangerous.

I agree with living in the present.

All drugs are wrong except marijuana which is not a "drug", it is a herb.
Smoking it is not the only way, as smoking is obviously harmful to our bodies no matter what substance it is we smoke.
Marijuana can be consumed in a number of safe and healthy ways such as in food and drink.

And marijuana is not addictive. I used to smoke it every single day but I haven't even touched it in the last 16 days and I am doing fine.
If I was addicted to it, I would have gone crazy or fallen ill like drug addicts of drugs such as heroine, cocaine, etc.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

So you are ashamed of your past?

I use to be an agnostic in the past. This is all documented facts about who I was when I was a bit younger. I was influenced by the hiphop culture of Dutch suburbs in the late 90's.

I have two angels documenting every move I make and I have Allah who is constantly watching every move I make, I have no reason to hide or lie about who I was and what I use to do.

Every Muslim knows that Islam washes away all previous sins. So there is no need for a Muslim to lie or be secretive about his past. Unless he doesn't want people to discuss matters that can encourage sinful behavior.

Regarding having a threesome with a Tajik, see, lest just assume that I actually did that. What is a graver sin? Doubting Islam or having a threesome?

Doubting Islam is disbelief, which is far worse than anything else.

So if I don't hide the fact that I use to be agnostic, why would I feel shame for hiding a sin less severe?

The truth is, I never had sex before I got married. the reason why [MENTION=4934]RevolutionThroughReason[/MENTION] said that about me is because he was angry. He knows that this is not the truth.

In fact, Parsi use to be a member of the Panjsheri gang back in 2004. I use to insult Ahmed Shah Massoud on daily bases on dutch Afghan forums. So Parsi decided to threaten me. He even made an appointment with me for a fight. This is all known not only to RTR but even some other old members of Afghansite.

I use to ridicule and mock Parsi on Afghansite for not daring to come and face me after posting threats online. Even his gang leader, Khyber who was a half Pashtun-half panjsheri supporter of northern alliance disowned Parsi when I confronted him about the stupid threats posted online.

Parsi was an extremely emotional, shallow metrosexual wanna-be thug who served as a tajik online punching bag. He never dared to meet up with people he was threatening and insulting online.

So claiming that I actually had a threesome with him is a typical desperate moves by RTR whenever he feels unconfortable.

I don't need to discuss his past. From an Islamic perspective there is no benefit in doing that. However, he thinks that he should talk allot of trash about other in order to save his own status.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You attacked me first.

explain how I attacked you.