India offers scholarships to Afghan students

[KhalsaWarrior]

http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-n...07/#post339901

This was proved to be a fake report run by a Pakistani blog. Show me a non-Pakistani news site running the same story.

[KhalsaWarrior]

KhalsaWarrior,

It is a known fact that India, despite being one of the most prospering economies has millions of people who are starving. Aside from that, in rural areas in India there are still communities who don't know what its like to have electricity, medical facilities and clean water.

You are correct. But why should that stop us from helping Afghanistan? As I have said before in other threads, Indians helping Afghanistan are not driven by plain goodwill. We do want to curb Pakistan's influence and expand ours. Strategic interests are sometimes favored over domestic economic interests.

Yet, you Idol-worshipers feel so sad and you have so much compasion to go all the way to Afghanistan to help the people who raided your homeland for at least 5 times and dominated and subdued you.

Why do you use that term as a slur? You think you are a higher being than idol-worshipers? Us idol worshipers have about 200 millions Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists as well.

And if you think that a sense of vengeance for medieval invasions is whats driving us, I pity your lack of knowledge. By your logic, India and Pakistan should also be picking a fight with Alexander, since he was one of the first to invade India from the west.

India does not have porn channels? Who cares? The porn channels broadcasted in Kabul via Star and other Indian cable providers might not be Indian. BUt it is you, the idolworshipers who are providing it.

You sound like a bigot.

[Michin Khel]

i am pakistani and his post might be a bit offensive, but he does have point, we did a huge mistake by allowing saudi/wahabhi ideolgy in the country that created these madrassas, many of which became breeding grounds for terrorists of all kinds. This is not the way for proper islamic education, most of the people in madrassas just memorize the quran without understanding a word of it, the whole system of learning like this is incorrect

But his post was not relevant to thread, it is good that india is helping Afghans but why is it that these afghans always feel necessary to bash Pakistan even at inappropriate occasions. There are reserved seats for Afghans in Pakistan, yet no one here is ready to thank Pakistan for it.

I know Pakistan is breeding ground for religious terrorism but it doesnt mean that one has to ignore good aspects of the country.

[graveyardofempires]

^ what is (afghan) though??? isn't Pashtun/Pakhtun the real word?? afghan is just a nationality like pakistani, indian, canadian etc... isn't it??? please let me know

also today's afghanistan(government)/army is not even run by pashtuns except the president's position, so afghanistan in it's current form is no different then pakistan, both countries are a mix of ethinicities

you are showing your paki mentality and your bs info.

Afghan is not just nationality but identity of Pukhtane and pakistan is a british manufactured country at the hands of their ismaili shia slaves.

pakistan was created as a buffer between india and Afghansitan and pukhtunkhwa was devided from Afghanistan as a devide and conquer strategy by the british and now it has turned into devide and destroy.

i dont even want to get too much into this beacasue : you cant hide the sun with two fingers.

[Karachi]

^ i agree, fine its the identity, however how is today's afghanistan (pashtun)??? i mean before bashing pakistan all the time, atleast know your own country first, Tajik/Hazara are ruling afghanistan and that is a fact no one can deny, so where is the so called Afghan identity now?

Again i will never defend pakistani government or army because i know they have done a lot of terrible things to many people including their own, but please stop living in the past. Pashtuns of pakistani side today are pakistanis, yes they might be afghan/pashtun at the same time too but their nationality is pakistani, there is no uprising against the state of pakistan from pashtuns, roughly 30-40% of the army is pashtuns ( i know the army is evil, but still), they are active in the government etc....

[Karachi]

This was proved to be a fake report run by a Pakistani blog. Show me a non-Pakistani news site running the same story.

its actually all over the news, including indian papers: http://news.oneindia.in/2011/01/18/f...r-aid0126.html

[graveyardofempires]

^ i agree, fine its the identity, however how is today's afghanistan (pashtun)??? i mean before bashing pakistan all the time, atleast know your own country first, Tajik/Hazara are ruling afghanistan and that is a fact no one can deny, so where is the so called Afghan identity now?

Again i will never defend pakistani government or army because i know they have done a lot of terrible things to many people including their own, but please stop living in the past. Pashtuns of pakistani side today are pakistanis, yes they might be afghan/pashtun at the same time too but their nationality is pakistani, there is no uprising against the state of pakistan from pashtuns, roughly 30-40% of the army is pashtuns ( i know the army is evil, but still), they are active in the government etc....

fair enough,for a pakistani
i never said Afghanistan is only Pashtun,i said not all Afghans are pashtuns but all pashtuns are Afghans,Afghans is not only identity of pashtuns but also of the other ethnicities in Afg.
how do you become pakistani while you are on the same soil and your grandfather was called Afghan?
and the situation in AFG does not mean we will give up on our land and people,this is not a game,british is long gone and we dont accept any british imposed borders or names of the cities such as abotabad.

you say you dont agree with the military yet you use the 30%/40% pashtun in the army theory as your justification against the aspirations of pukhtane.

why in the hell should a pukhtun change his nationality while he is living in his own soil Afghanistan?

those pukhtane in the army are against pukhtun aspirations which are end of durrand line,pukhto in schools,no corrupting pakistani influence.

[Karachi]

^ most pashtuns on the pakistani side do not think like that, or else there would have been a rising against the state long ago.

My grandfather was Pashtun, he came from Swat region, which is in pakistan today, I dont know if he called himself afghan, but he did call himself Pakhtun, he was proud of that fact, but he also became a pakistani national, which he was equally proud off.

Also i am not saying army is good, but what i am saying is that pashtuns do make up a huge part of the army, so this mean that pashtuns living on the pakistani side clearly differ with your opinions

My whole point is that what you are saying is only a dream, the reality is much different.

[graveyardofempires]

^ most pashtuns on the pakistani side do not think like that, or else there would have been a rising against the state long ago.

My grandfather was Pashtun, he came from Swat region, which is in pakistan today, I dont know if he called himself afghan, but he did call himself Pakhtun, he was proud of that fact, but he also became a pakistani national, which he was equally proud off.

Also i am not saying army is good, but what i am saying is that pashtuns do make up a huge part of the army, so this mean that pashtuns living on the pakistani side clearly differ with your opinions

i thin you are sleeping or have your head burried in the sand
there is clear resistance in form of political parties such as the ruling ANP and in Balochistan the party of Mahmud Achakzai.and there is also a resistance such as ttp who dont consider to be part of pakistan and think pakistan is a munafiq state.
your grandfather was from Swat Afghanistan and not Swat India.
how about we leave it to the pukhtane in pukhtunkhwa to decide if they are Afghans or not and stop pushing your pakistan upon them like you did from the start of its napak birth.

why was it that asfandyar went to jalalbad to visit the grave of Bacha Khan and said that he is Afghan and why does Achakzai always says lar aw bar Afghan? why do the singers always say about Afghanistan.
i think since in pakistan there is no media freedom you have been fed established propaganda which made you deny your own identity.

those pashtuns in napak army are the ones who are torturing pukhtane in those videos of swat etc standing there intructed by their poonja mastars who on their term were good little slaves of the british raj.

anyone who is pro Durrand and the british drawn line is the enemy of Pukhtane.full stop

[Karachi]

i thin you are sleeping or have your head burried in the sand
there is clear resistance in form of political parties such as the ruling ANP and in Balochistan the party of Mahmud Achakzai.and there is also a resistance such as ttp who dont consider to be part of pakistan and think pakistan is a munafiq state.
your grandfather was from Swat Afghanistan and not Swat India.
how about we leave it to the pukhtane in pukhtunkhwa to decide if they are Afghans or not and stop pushing your pakistan upon them like you did from the start of its napak birth.

why was it that asfandyar went to jalalbad to visit the grave of Bacha Khan and said that he is Afghan and why does Achakzai always says lar aw bar Afghan? why do the singers always say about Afghanistan.
i think since in pakistan there is no media freedom you have been fed established propaganda which made you deny your own identity.

those pashtuns in napak army are the ones who are torturing pukhtane in those videos of swat etc standing there intructed by their poonja mastars who on their term were good little slaves of the british raj.

anyone who is pro Durrand and the british drawn line is the enemy of Pukhtane.full stop

I totally agree with this part, i am sure pashtuns living on the pakistani side will not be mad enough to join afghanistan in its current form

10-15 years ago when taliban were ruling afghanistan, then i would agree that there was a strong hold of pashtuns in afghanistan, in those days the state of pakistan and afghanistan were not enemies, they were friends, i remember when people could so easily travel between Kandhar/Quetta and Kabul/Peshawar, they were the same country back then. however today's its completly different.

[graveyardofempires]

I totally agree with this part, i am sure pashtuns living on the pakistani side will not be mad enough to join afghanistan in its current form

10-15 years ago when taliban were ruling afghanistan, then i would agree that there was a strong hold of pashtuns in afghanistan, in those days the state of pakistan and afghanistan were not enemies, they were friends, i remember when people could so easily travel between Kandhar/Quetta and Kabul/Peshawar, they were the same country back then. however today's its completly different.

ever since pakistan exists ,its a thorn in the eyes of pukhtane ,which part of it dont you undertsnad?

we will never consider this fake country pakistan which was made by some ismaili shias with no ties to sunni pukhtane.
in those time you were considered muslim brothers but now you guys have turned into bunch of animals who murder pukhtane int heir homes in the name of taliban or separatists.

but i do understand your position ,since pakistan was created against pashtuns and you little poor soul never knew the truth or dared to speak up ,you have turned into this silenced person in denial of his own identity.

[PakistaniPatriot]

ever since pakistan exists ,its a thorn in the eyes of pukhtane ,which part of it dont you undertsnad?

we will never consider this fake country pakistan which was made by some ismaili shias with no ties to sunni pukhtane.
in those time you were considered muslim brothers but now you guys have turned into bunch of animals who murder pukhtane int heir homes in the name of taliban or separatists.

but i do understand your position ,since pakistan was created against pashtuns and you little poor soul never knew the truth or dared to speak up ,you have turned into this silenced person in denial of his own identity.

You keep on posting the samething over and over again. Think of something new.

[graveyardofempires]

You keep on posting the samething over and over again. Think of something new.

since you pakis have thick skulls,you might not get it by saying one time.

[Karachi]

ever since pakistan exists ,its a thorn in the eyes of pukhtane ,which part of it dont you undertsnad?

we will never consider this fake country pakistan which was made by some ismaili shias with no ties to sunni pukhtane.
in those time you were considered muslim brothers but now you guys have turned into bunch of animals who murder pukhtane int heir homes in the name of taliban or separatists.

but i do understand your position ,since pakistan was created against pashtuns and you little poor soul never knew the truth or dared to speak up ,you have turned into this silenced person in denial of his own identity.

you seem to be forgetting there were pashtuns who fought for the state of pakistan and creation of it, including many tribal pashtuns too. Afghan empire broke long before even the british came. The areas of pakistani pashtun side were under british india for a very ver long time

You are living the past brother, come live in the 21th century, things are much different now. the fact is the pashtuns on the pakistani side are much more educated and most of them have given up on the (hatred) of others unlike you.

[graveyardofempires]

you seem to be forgetting there were pashtuns who fought for the state of pakistan and creation of it, including many tribal pashtuns too. Afghan empire broke long before even the british came. The areas of pakistani pashtun side were under british india for a very ver long time

You are living the past brother, come live in the 21th century, things are much different now.

the future is yet to be decide
do you want durrand(a british)line to devide our nation?

you are the one living in denial of the truth which is pukhtane will never give up on their lands and identity no matter how much the british or pakis try it.