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    Here's a tip for incoming and current college students: If you want to have a high-paying job on graduation day, study computer science. That's the advice coming out of the top U.S. computer science programs, which are seeing rising enrollment and applications as more college students discover that their job prospects are better — and their starting salaries higher — if they have a computer-related degree. Leading universities report that enrollment in computer science and engineering courses is up significantly this year among students pursuing computer science majors as well as those studying other subjects, particularly science or business.


    "I think the job market is what's driving the growth," says Professor Bruce Porter, Chair of the Department of Computer Sciences at the University of Texas at Austin, which has seen its enrollment increase more than 5% this year. "The government has made it clear that computer science is a growth field, and I think that message is getting back to students and their parents." Corporate recruitment of top computer science grads has remained steady throughout the economic downturn. Last spring, at the height of the recession, Georgia Tech's College of Computing had the highest job placement rate of any major on campus and the highest starting salary. "We had placed 87% of our undergraduates in jobs as of last spring," says Cedric Stallworth, Assistant Dean of Undergraduate Enrollment at Georgia Tech's College of Computing. "The financial sector — credit card companies, insurance companies — are very much interested in computer science students, as are defense companies and software development and networking companies." Computer science grads from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are being recruited by software, healthcare, trading and agricultural companies. Last year's grads received an average of 2.3 job offers and had an average starting salary of more than $72,000 – the highest of any starting salary in the university's College of Engineering. "We really didn't see a drop in recruiting efforts," says Cynthia Coleman, associate director of external relations for the University of Illinois' Department of Computer Science. "We have seen a significant increase in companies in other industries that typically haven't recruited in computer science interested in our students. What a lot of our students are going to realize is that every industry has computer science needs."


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    The message about solid job prospects and starting salaries as high as $105,000 for computer science majors is resonating with college students and their parents. At Stanford University, the number of students declaring themselves as computer science majors is up 40% from last year. The university attributes this dramatic rise partly to the fact that its required computer science courses were streamlined and more areas of concentration added. But the rest of the increase is attributed to the recession. "We surveyed our students to see why they declared computer science as their major," says Professor Mehran Sahami, associate chair for education in the Computer Science Department at Stanford University. "What we found is that half of the increase was from the change in our curriculum and the other half was from macro-economic conditions. Especially in these challenging economic times, students consider computer science a safer choice." More than half of Stanford's undergraduate students are taking the department's introductory computer science class this year. This represents an increase of 20% over last year. "We will probably have 800 students take it this year," Sahami says. "Our students do believe that having some computing skills will be useful in other fields, whether in a scientific field where they see the immediate applicability in simulations or longer-term, where they think it's a good skill to have."
    Computer science is not only a more popular major, it's also a more popular field of study for students majoring in something else. At the University of Illinois, for example, informatics is now the most popular minor on campus.


    "Everybody is realizing that IT is going to be important in the marketplace, and they are looking to beef up their resumes with some kind of certificate or qualification that would give them an edge," says Professor Lenny Pitt, Director of Undergraduate Programs for the Department of Computer Science at the University of Illinois. Computer Science Major is Cool Again
    The interest in computer science courses is especially strong among students pursuing science-related majors."Computational biology, Computational medicine – computation is just invading so many other disciplines," Porter says. "What we're seeing is that a number of students have a fundamental interest in astronomy or biology or chemistry, and they see computer science as playing a key role in that field." Computer science also is a back-up for business students who once may have pursued lucrative jobs in investment banking. "Last year, a bunch of students saw that maybe not all the interesting jobs in the world are in the financial industry," says Professor Andrew Appel, Chair of the Department of Computer Science at Princeton University. "It used to be that a good portion of our computer science majors went to Wall Street. Last year, fewer went to Wall Street…Maybe there was a little scrambling, but we didn't have a problem with unemployed graduates last year."

    Applications rise


    The trend will continue next year, as applications to top computer science programs pour in.The University of Illinois says the number of applicants to its Department of Computer Science is up 26% from last year to 860.
    "The projections that have come out from the Bureau of Labor Statistics have indicated a relative cornucopia of jobs in the near term for computer science majors," Pitt says. "Parents may well be aware of the job opportunities in the IT industry, which is suffering the least despite the downturn." At Carnegie Mellon University, the number of applicants to the School of Computer Science's Computer Science Department reached 3,000 this year, up 14% from last year and up 76% from 2005. The department caps enrollment at 130 students per year for a total enrollment of fewer than 550 students."We're getting very close to the peak, which was 3,237 applications in 2001," says Catherine Fichtner, program coordinator for undergraduate education in the Computer Science Department at CMU's School of Computer Science. One reason applications are up at CMU's computer science program: high starting salaries. The median starting salary for 2009 graduates was $80,000, with the highest reported salary at $105,000. "Our salaries were pretty consistent last year," Fichtner says. "Our students have always been able to find jobs, and 30% of our students go on to graduate school." Applications are up 5% this year at Georgia Tech's College of Computing, which currently has 900 students."Historically, this was perceived as just for the nerds. But now it's perceived as something everybody can get involved in," Stallworth says. "Our students are looking to solve problems in their lives, and they feel now that technologies can help them do that."

    Not another dot-com boom

    Enrollment in computer science programs has been rising since 2005, when parents and students stopped worrying that corporate outsourcing of IT functions would result in less demand for computer scientists in the United States. But it hasn't reached dot-com era levels. "We feel that the bust is over, and the number of computer science students is going to keep increasing,'' says Kate Riley, director of operations for the Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences Department at UC Berkeley. Undergraduate enrollment in UC Berkeley's Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences Department's degree program is 929 students, up 8% from last year. Another 120 liberal arts students are enrolled as computer science majors, up 9% from a year ago. "We're spending a lot of time developing new courses and focusing more on industry," Riley says. "Berkeley is a research school, and that has been our focus for our graduate students, but now we're looking more toward industry partnerships for our undergraduates." None of the top computer science programs are as big as they were during the dot-com boom. School administrators say they aren't sure they want to grow that large again.
    "At our high point, we were at about 2,400 majors. Now we're at 948," Porter says of the University of Texas' computer science program. "We're not aiming to get back to 2,400. That was beyond what we could manage…Our goal is to get back to 1,400."

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    Want a job? Get a computer science degree
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    Or your MBA with a JD that's a wonderful combination as well. =)
    "Do not lose hope in adversity and complain that God singled you out for punishment, remitting others guilty of worse sins. Your present state could very well be His intent to elevate your spiritual station. Or He could just be testing your faith. Everyday that you persevere, you grow closer to perfection. Thus, your present despair may be the beginning of an infinite blessing". - Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani.

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    • #3
      How about a BS in Chemical Engineering and a MD/DO?

      Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
      Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
      Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
      .

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      • #4
        If you "kind of" like it. Go for it Mayana.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jasmine
          MBA with a JD? Doesn't that sound too long? Won't you need to attend a business school first for an MBA and later a law school for 4 years for a JD?

          Most law schools have joint degree programs. Take the example of an MBA with a JD. During the first year of law school you'll take just business classes and then the next 3 years you'll be taking both business and law classes. Yes, its 4 years of school all over again, but law school is 3 years, why not add another year and get that MBA or another degree. Depending on the school you can get into a joint degree program to study Computer Science, International Policy, Public Policy, bioengineering or English. I personally wouldn't mind going another year and having both an MBA or a MA/MS along with a JD.
          "Do not lose hope in adversity and complain that God singled you out for punishment, remitting others guilty of worse sins. Your present state could very well be His intent to elevate your spiritual station. Or He could just be testing your faith. Everyday that you persevere, you grow closer to perfection. Thus, your present despair may be the beginning of an infinite blessing". - Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
            If you "kind of" like it. Go for it Mayana.

            I kind of like it a lot, but does it kind of like me?


            Originally posted by kandahari ella View Post
            Most law schools have joint degree programs. Take the example of an MBA with a JD. During the first year of law school you'll take just business classes and then the next 3 years you'll be taking both business and law classes. Yes, its 4 years of school all over again, but law school is 3 years, why not add another year and get that MBA or another degree. Depending on the school you can get into a joint degree program to study Computer Science, International Policy, Public Policy, bioengineering or English. I personally wouldn't mind going another year and having both an MBA or a MA/MS along with a JD.
            Joint programs are awesome. UCSD has this joint program for a PhD in Psychology and an MD. That's about as high up as it goes when it comes to degrees, you can't really achieve much more.. lol

            I personally would prefer joint programs over the other ones any day.

            Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
            Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
            Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan
            .

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            • #7
              Oh it'll take a lot more than wanting a job to study Computer Science lol. There are a lot of people who drop out of the program early on, your methodology and concepts classes will weed out the dedicated from band wagon pursuers.

              I personally think at its core it's applied mathematics. I'm not particularly interested in computers or tech savvy. But I'm a math stud and I love problem solving . I'm a fan of logic. I have to admit being amongst a male dominated field can be lonely, so you have to have the will and endurance to keep on trudging. I initiated my studies in Biology, some consider it the hardest degree to maintain but I disagree, I finished my lower division and felt unsatisfied. It felt like a lot of regurgitation of material, and the program didn't really cater to people who weren't interested in Med School.

              Shortly after that I was introduced to and began Computer Science. I didn't even know what it entailed when I started the program, I just knew I liked to solve puzzles and the job prospects were good.

              It's challenging, my professors tend to be foreign educated and dry, every once and while I'll come across a ridiculous area of study, but overall I'd say I'm very happy I made the switch.

              I also have a passion for social work, if I could integrate CS and social work, I'd find my ideal spot in the work force. I've also considered Bioinformatics, that way I can incorporate some of my Bio background. I might just end up doing something completely oddball like Project management in some tech field or start my own company, I don't know. I'm versatile.

              Ultimately, what you need to be successful is skill and a demand. Do what you want, but learn how to make use of it so it also gets you what you want.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shlombay
                Attend Columbia University with me and you will be guaranteed a job due to the prestigious status of CU.

                I am very blessed.
                Where is this columbia university, in south america?

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                • #9
                  Where is this columbia university, in south america?
                  LoL it is in North America and its in New York.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fatima View Post
                    I personally think at its core it's applied mathematics. I'm not particularly interested in computers or tech savvy. But I'm a math stud and I love problem solving .
                    Why don't you declare Math as a minor? CS majors have to take Calculus 1,2,3 sprinkled with some probability, and linear algebra. I love mathematics, and anyone who is interested in problem solving should look into it. Although it's a very lucrative field, I must warn members that if you don't like solving problems, refrain from pursuing a BS! Choose what you like. Also, many assume being a CS major equates to being a code-monkey, that is not true at all. CS and Mechanical Engineering, In my humble opinion, are probably the most diverse majors in the world. Employers love CS majors because they know you can solve problems.

                    I'm a fan of logic. I have to admit being amongst a male dominated field can be lonely, so you have to have the will and endurance to keep on trudging. I initiated my studies in Biology, some consider it the hardest degree to maintain but I disagree, I finished my lower division and felt unsatisfied. It felt like a lot of regurgitation of material, and the program didn't really cater to people who weren't interested in Med School.
                    True. According to BarakzaiAbdali, many Bio majors plan to attend med school so you can't really blame your school for catering to their needs. I understand how you feel.

                    Shortly after that I was introduced to and began Computer Science. I didn't even know what it entailed when I started the program, I just knew I liked to solve puzzles and the job prospects were good.
                    Your a woman. That means a lot in the CS department. In fact, I know special grants and scholarships that are reserved exclusively for ladies such as yourself. They specifically state "This scholarship is only for ladies who wish to major in CS". So you do have the upper hand in this male dominated discipline.

                    Ultimately, what you need to be successful is skill and a demand. Do what you want, but learn how to make use of it so it also gets you what you want.
                    Statistics tell us if your major doesn't have much Math in it, you will struggle in finding a job.

                    P.S
                    I know many people who have chickened out of CS because it's pretty Math intensive. Are you working on a BA or BS?
                    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                    • #11
                      I hate college and their degrees. The only winners are the colleges for receiving all your money. I have and will always be an autodidact, though it makes my life harder.

                      Admin khan
                      Where did you learn how to use Photoshop? I have CS5 extended and have no clue. I even have 3DS max and barely know how to use them.
                      Last edited by کیش; 01-04-2011, 11:57 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Admin khan,

                        What are the requirements for a minor in CS?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Laila View Post
                          Admin khan,

                          What are the requirements for a minor in CS?
                          It differs from college to college, but it's usually the following:

                          Precalculus
                          Calclulus 1
                          discrete Math
                          OOP in C++
                          OOP in Java
                          Dis Structures
                          Comp Org & Assem Lang
                          Data Structures

                          And they usually also ask you to choose 1 or 2 electives from a list of CS courses.
                          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Idiot View Post
                            I hate college and their degrees. The only winners are the colleges for receiving all your money. I have and will always be an autodidact, though it makes my life harder.
                            If you are poor, most college's won't ask you for money. Hell, since you live in the big apple, depending on your family EFC, you might be approved for TAP. Which means, not only will your college be free, you will get paid 2Thousand US dollars for attending college full time.

                            Oh and If you are rich, money is meant to be spent. :-)

                            Admin khan
                            Where did you learn how to use Photoshop? I have CS5 extended and have no clue. I even have 3DS max and barely know how to use them.
                            I learned Photoshop at the age of 14. I took some courses at that age. Yes, I was the youngest student in class. Well, depending on your personality, you can self-teach yourself. However, I can imagine you being confused with layers.
                            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                              Oh and If you are rich, money is meant to be spent. :-)
                              Sadly yes

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