more freedom in Pakistan than India

[شمله ور خراساني]

in farsi there is a saying: yellow dog is the brother of the fox. Meaning there is no difference between the two.

Who cares? To me Pakistan & India is all the same.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4770718.stm



Development under colonial rule was centred on areas that were stable, the population passive and submissive. Places like Bengal were developed more than Pakistan, especially Pashtun areas. This was because the Pashtun and more generally Pakistani areas didn't capitulate like the Indian ones. So the centre of industry at the time of Partition was in India and Bengal not Pakistan.

wtf are u talkijn about!???!?!?! man u pakistanis are so damn lost and confused,,,,ALL OF YOU INDIANS SUBMITTED EXCEPT PAKHTUNS.,...WHAT THE FUKK RESISTANCE WAS THERE IN PUNJAB AND SINDH


Man you guys are losers of the highest degree

[BLS_1919v2.0]

^^kakar no need for those harsh words. Roadrunner care to elaborate on your claims. Panjab and Sindh were just as passive to british rule...in fact the entire subcontinent was (I don't count Pashtun/Afghan areas or baloch to this as they are not part of the subcontinent).

[pir_Rokhan]

In Pakistan whether minorities have freedom or not is controversial but what is certain is that the majority does not have it.


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Christian woman sentenced to death in blasphemy case

November 12, 2010 (2 weeks ago)

Human rights activists want the controversial legislation repealed, saying it was exploited for personal enmity and encourages extremism. – File Photo


LAHORE: A Christian mother of five has been sentenced to death for blasphemy, the first such conviction of a woman, sparking protests from rights groups on Thursday.

Asia Bibi, 45, was handed down the death sentence by a court in Nankana district in central Punjab on Monday.

Pakistan has yet to execute anyone for blasphemy. Ms Asia’s case dates back to June 2009 when she was asked to fetch water while out working in the fields. But a group of Muslim women labourers objected, saying that as a non-Muslim she should not touch the water bowl.

A few days later the women went to a local cleric and alleged that Ms Asia made derogatory remarks about the Prophet (peace be upon him). The cleric went to police, who opened an investigation.

Ms Asia was arrested in Ittanwalai village and prosecuted under Section 295-C of the PPC, which carries the death penalty.

Husband Ashiq Masih, 51, said he would appeal her death sentence.
Human rights activists want the controversial legislation repealed, saying it was exploited for personal enmity and encourages extremism.

“The blasphemy law is absolutely obscene and it needs to be repealed in totality,” Human Rights Watch spokesman Ali Dayan Hasan said. —AFP

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ You do need to read the other side of the story too, I am unable to access Ummat Newspaper of last Sunday there was a detail report about the issue that you need to see .. Found it Now there is a lot of politics behind this ..
Look at this:


Though the law does need to be re-visited as it was created by Dictator General. Zia-Ul-Haq for his own personal reasons. Yet several reports of the Ummat publications clearly calls this woman to be the criminal. And Qura'n is very clear about such crimes .. So the sentence should be there .. !!
Look at a few views:









Though for your view about India's side there are many things that you missed for example have a look at the following one leave the common minority even the famous ones are not safe





Why didn't you highlight this about Pakistan?

[roadrunner]

wtf are u talkijn about!???!?!?! man u pakistanis are so damn lost and confused,,,,ALL OF YOU INDIANS SUBMITTED EXCEPT PAKHTUNS.,...WHAT THE FUKK RESISTANCE WAS THERE IN PUNJAB AND SINDH


Man you guys are losers of the highest degree

well no. India was gradually won. It began in Bengal with the victory of Sir Clive Plassey, and then moved west and south. I assume you are talking about the Punjab though. the Punjab fell in the final Anglo-Sikh war in 1849, so it was won by force. There was resistance even though the end result was capitulation and a Sikh defeat.

[pir_Rokhan]

The constitutionally theocratic and practically secular nature of Pakistan might be good news for the immature minds to cherish about but less do they know that the same FACT will ultimately lead Pakistan to her demise.

If the Muslims tend to propagate all versions of their misconceptions about life and universe [in the form of their sects] what is wrong if the Christians or others do the same. Ultimately all of them will have to submit to the bitter truth which science has to teach us all.

Irrespective of whether the execution or killing of any Christian women or man is politically , socially or religiously motivated, it is injustice not to let others live according to their concepts of life and that includes the right not to appreciate someone who might be loved and revered by others.

Chief of Army is revered by the media- hypnotised masses in Pakistan and even in occupied Pakhtunkhwa but the Pashtuns who are aware of the concocted history of Pakistan as well as their own history like to reserve their right to appreciate him. It does not mean that such Pashtuns should be killed because the piece of paper called constitution of Pakistan which is abrogated often and which made by pro-military politicians considers army and its chief as a sacred cow.

The crux of the matter is that Freedom should be upheld at any cost even at the cost of our geographical jurisdictions.


In arabic they say;

"Al mulko yabqa ma'al kufar wa la yabqa ma'dhulm"

A country can survive without being a muslim country but will cease to exist without justice.

[Dervaish]

Who says there is no justice in Pakistan? جلنے والے کا مُنہ کالا

Loans of billion of Rupees to those influential rich is written off since day one because those poor rich did not want to pay it. Have mercy on their feelings and ego.Is it not justice? Zardari, from prison to presidency (these wording I borrowed from an editorial of New York Times). Is it not Justice? The case was withdrawn by Pakistan Government, of 40 million dollars illegal deposit in Zardari's Swiss bank. Is it not justice? What is the importance of a Christian village woman? If they don't sentence people of no importance like her, then what else the courts and judges are suppose to do? Then what is Justice? Why you simple people don't understand. Justice in Pakistan is not that cheapo that every Tom and Harry will get it. تم پاکستان کے Justice systemسے جلتے ہو

[Shehbaz Khan]

Pir Rokhan saib, har sa di manam ..

dagha rata owaya che sok da hazrat muhammad saw shaan ki gustakhi woki hagha la marg pakar day kana? If you say yes.. Then read the reports about the christian lady !!

Darvaish saib, manam che nizam kamzoray day.. da di sa matlab day che da mazbootawalo koshish na day pakar?

[pir_Rokhan]

Shehbaz Khana

If someone is alleged for blasphemy first of all the matter should be researched and his/her reasons for such feelings towards the prophet of Muslims should be addressed instead of executing the person. If the educated people are ignorant about what happens in Pakistan in reality due to media propaganda, how you expect these less educated working class who struggle to earn their bread and butter at the cost of their self respect in Pakistan to know what religion is all about.

In my opinion irrespective of whether the whole sharia is relevant in an unjust and autocratic state in the first place, the thing for sure is that the so called fatwas [verdicts] about the common people are totally irrelevant in societies like the one in Pakistan. How can one pass a judgment which was enacted a thousand years ago to the contemporary circumstances?

I am sure had the prophet been present in this cursed country, he would have behaved very affectionately and kindly to the person because any person who knows the abc of leadership knows how important it is to win the hearts of people instead of their minds. You may compel or misguide others to obey you but you cannot compel them to respect you.

As far as legislation about such acts is concerned, it is a means to impose things on humans which neither has worked in past nor will it work now or in the future. It is just a means for compulsion, terror, coercion and totalitarianism which is not recommended for any human society.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Pir Rokhan Saib,

Quran says: 'Those who insult Allah and His Rasool SAW, kill them, crucify them or make them leave your land' Do you know after Makkah was conquered all the people were forgiven except the ten?

Yes I agree that the system needs to be more efficient and just in such matters, kho dasi kas che manali e wi khabara che haghi da Rasool ullah saw pa shaan ki gustakhi kari da nu hagha za kho na maaf kawam .. !! Noora sta khwakha da

[roadrunner]

Quran says: 'Those who insult Allah and His Rasool SAW, kill them, crucify them or make them leave your land' Do you know after Makkah was conquered all the people were forgiven except the ten?

Shehbaz. Can you give a Quranic reference for this?

[Master Khan]

Pakistan and freedom...lol!! try saying that to the people of Swat, Waziristan, Boluchistan etc.
Sikhs gets freedom but but not our people

[roadrunner]

Indeed from Khalistan to Kashmir to Assam.

[drona]

A very good article by a Pakistani


The one person who can save Aasia Bibi

Dr Zakir Naik is an extremely popular TV evangelist, much like the late Ahmed Deedat. Their specialty (other than Islamic sermons) has been comparative religion debates with experts and religious leaders of other faiths. But Dr Zakir Naik shares with Aasia Bibi more than he probably, or she herself, even realises. Aasia Bibi, a low-income Pakistani Christian, is the woman who has been sentenced to death for blasphemy recently.

That’s not to suggest that Dr Zakir has ever blasphemed against the Holy Prophet (pbuh). He hasn’t. But part of his bread and butter is championing other religions as false, as his opponents do to his religion.

When two ardent supporters of different creeds engage in religious debate, primarily for the purpose of proving the other one wrong, things get testy and become laden with emotion. This is partly demonstrated by the difficulty of framing hate speech laws so that they do not incite religious hatred while trying to find ways to create caveats for religious debates because, by their very nature, they rely on outright denunciation as each believes there is only one road to salvation. While not perfect, at least a secular social scientist interested in comparative religion has a more detached view, interested in the details of comparison and not the pursuit of divine validity.

So here is where Aasia Bibi comes in. Women in her village were trying to get her to convert to Islam for some time. She held out and chose not to debate it but would only say she wouldn’t because she was comfortable with her faith. Then, the details of which are still sketchy, the unequal and discriminatory facets of Pakistani society came into play. As a Christian and, I presume, because of some of her racial characteristics she was considered less equal by the Muslims of her village.

She was unduly asked to fetch water for the Muslim women and when she did they complained it was unclean because of her touch. After subjecting her to the force of their nauseating moral majority, they ignorantly added insult and indignity to the equation. Then they asked her to convert again. If only someone had taught these women that such charming behaviour rarely causes anyone to convert from one religion to another.

Finally, Aasia Bibi defended herself and her religious choice, probably with lots of pent up anger at her inhuman treatment. The crux of the case lies here, the other women may have thought that Aasia Bibi’s laudatory words for Jesus may have meant she didn’t think in the same way for Islam. Which, of course, she doesn’t, because she is not a Muslim.

Now look at this implication of the blasphemy law in Pakistan. Keep this in mind, Christians think Jesus as the greatest man while Muslims feel the same for Mohammed (pbuh). Now ask a Christian, “In light of your knowledge of Mohammed (pbuh), who is the best man who ever lived?”

If the Christian’s answer is in line with his religious dogma, he can be put to death. It’s 295-C taken to the legal extremities of its philosophy. The law is not just about outright, inflammatory or hateful blasphemy but even inferences from normal discussions between non-Muslims and Muslims. All you need is someone to litigate.

That’s why Dr Zakir Naik, whom Pakistanis watch with great relish on cable from international channels, can never have a comparative religion debate in Pakistan. Whoever he goes up against can be prosecuted for proselytising against Islam or thinking less of the Prophet (pbuh) because they have stated why they believe in something else. Aasia Bibi, on the other hand, was indirectly forced into that position. Maybe Zakir Naik needs to be the one defending Aasia Bibi, since, ironically, his bluster is based on the religious freedom he has in India.

In Aasia’s case, there are a lot of mitigating circumstances, the judge who passed her sentence had an angry mob outside his courts and she was mentally tortured into finally speaking up for herself. Otherwise, I am sure she also knew that the only good Christian in Pakistan is a mute one, weak and meek.

The one person who can save Aasia Bibi – The Express Tribune