In Crisis-Ravaged Pakistan, The Generals Are Waiting In The Wings

[Saeed Khan]

Of course not. ISI wants you as a Pathan to remain as a slave for its state. That is why millions of people who once spoke Pashto cant speak a word. They are brainwashed into thinking Urdu is a superior language.

Its either you are deliberately misunderstanding what I said or...I can think my post was fairly comprehensive. I will say it again, this is not a Muslim issue, its a Pashtun issue. I can point you to a few articles that have Pashtuns saying they feel like 3rd class citizens. I can forward you to videos that speak a similar tone. Just because you are from an established family doesnt mean you can speak on behalf of all.

Jasmiiin, Can you not come with something solid? I repeatedly see this ISI, Army slave things. What langugage you talking about? Or these comments are not counter productive and ironic? Forget about vids. How pinpoint things when you even dont belong from Pakistan. You'r talking alien' language. There are many BLS who can make vids for their purposes.lol

[Saeed Khan]

@ Jasmin, Can you plz refrain from the language you are using ? thanks for the debate.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

OK

You said that Pakhtuns join army because of Economical problem and I say that that's because they have deep love and respect for Army

Haha Now here you are wroriya Army wala zama pa vote na wo raghali.. ANP kho che vote ghwasto no hum dagha ye wayal che mong ba pa bajawar ki operation bandawo .. Aao bya e pa Swat ki hum shoro kralo .. ANP kho wayal che pa karachai ki da 12 May da shahedano badal ba akhalo nu sa badal e waghisto .. Kha che ANP da kom kar wayali di hum hagha kho Army kawi nu bya taso Army ta domra bad wali gorai :s they never created this mess ..
Dagha ANP wa kana che khalqo ta e wayal che bas dagha day russia raghla aao inqilaab day aao agha di aao dagha di :O Sa sho da dvi inqilaab che pa hakomat ki kenastal nu har sa tri hier shwal .. I've seen a red flag on the top of my house since I was born .. ma pri ma pvoheyawa za e da har cha na kha pejanam dwi na kho takra Amer Muqam aao Aftab SherpaO di che kam az kam da damako na pas hum pa khpal zay nast wo zamonga gran asfandyar kho da yao daz na pas hagha misaal o wayi
Che pa yao daz tar landana pori rasi
Ma ledalay hagha raftaar da nationalyano !!

Haha budget amreeka warkaee .. Ta sara sa saboot day ashna ? Dasi kho khalaq wayi che Taliban hum da amreki na dalari akhli nu amreka pri da dalari bandai wali na :s Its very easy to say such things but very hard to prove .. Ta khabar e da PMA (Pakistan Military Academy) yawi myashti kharcha somra da :O And how they get to manage it !!
Da asi pa daz doz na da wroriya

Drones kho da Shahbaz Base Jacobabad bara ki khabar raghalay wo katali mi hum da video so thats also a political weakness wroriya .. Sta Qaam Parast Leader Da Fakhr-e-Afghan nwasay , Da Wali Baba Zwi Asfandyar Wali Khan di pa di haqla sa woki kana pa markaz ki nast day Islamabad ki partyani kawi

First of all, ANP even if they wanted to can't extend their writ into FATA, as it is under federal control. The Political Parties act has not extended to FATA, so ANP has jurisdiction there...this is Pakistan politics 101.
No actually you have set up a straw man argument to justify army...but here is the thing...MMA ran Pashtunkhwa as the primary lota party during Musharraf era...during this time the area of Pashtunkhwa went into full 'talibanization'...it was in this climate ANP were able to capture votes. They promised a restoration of peace and were the praimry party (along with PKMAP) that were against Pakistan's policies of the 1990s and were anti-taliban. The army were in swat for two years prior to the ANP and the people there had lost their trust in them. In Swat and other areas around it, it was a known slogan "Taliban army bhai bhai"...the base of Fazllulah was very close to the Army HQ in Swat. These are all known facts...in fact I would request the swatiyaan who are here to come forward and also shed light on this. Hec when the Wali e swat, who is pakistanai number 1 of malakand division blames the army...that should tell you something? People were protesting against the army's lack of "giving a dam"..there were protests in london, Canada, etc. That is how exposed the army got.

Amir Muqamm is from my area and I know the ttaposs he is....Sherpao...they are political oppurtunists of the highest order.

And like I asked you before who created MQM? MQM plaar sok wo?

About proof of ISI lolzz

One-third of CIA budget goes to ISI | TopNews

there ya go.

Drones were..here is the article

Feinstein comment on U.S. drones likely to embarrass Pakistan - Los Angeles Times

About further budgets on Pak armed forces read Ayesha Siddiqui Army Inc.

[Saeed Khan]

Which language? I have never used any bad language. All I asked you to do was rephrase your post because it did not make any sense to me. I don't mean to say in any different way.

I request you again, please rewrite your post so I can understand what you mean.

Your Highness, just read it again in regard to your post then i hope you will understand it.

Btw, i was referring to your reply to Shehbaz Khan where you naming cockraoches things there in your post. Also in your previous post you had written stuff such rape ets to which i have big reservations being from a tribal area. Or you support it with any source on this PF which is commendable. If not then i request you to remain civil and let the debate to flow in right direction with right objectives. Thanks

[afghan]

ISI wants you to be brainwashed and a slave of the Pakistani state so you can think that being a good person means worshiping the state(Which you already are) ISI has killed Pashtuns like you like cockroaches. Its truly a shame that you can defend them.

I would rather you work for Pashto compared to working for Punjabi hegemony.



So Pashtuns are dangerous terrorists? How did you have the guts to say such a thing? We are peaceful people not evil people. How can you say such a thing that implies that we deserve to be tortured because its the need of hour? That is your excuse? Need of the hour? I can begin robbing your house because its the need of the hour?

Jasmin khor
shahbaz khan is sitting in karachi as he said himself, he still believe that pashtun are treated well and their rights are resspected, he doesnot own any property there, when it will be torched, to feel the pain. he has not seen the pashtun are being killed on the streets of karachi.
he would not know about pashtunkhwah what has happened to people over there, when the inocenty people were slaughtered and killed like dogs. now the called army operation is completed, they want to occupy the land of peolpe. they are looking for permanent base in the area it was the whole game.
Like Khyal wror said they dont go further than Mutalia pakistan and state controled media.

[Shehbaz Khan]

ISI wants me to be brainwashed and why I am accepting to be brainwashed.. zamonga pukhtanu ki hum da yao kaar wran day mong da har yawi masali zimma war bal kas garu .. laka che zamonga aro sa zimmawari nashta .. ISI used pakhtuns I agree kho monga pukhtana wali domra bay-imana aao bay deena shwalo che da dwao paiso da para hagha har sa kawo che monga ta bal sok wayi :s


Hehe, khabara dagha si na da zamonga koar ki ka punjabay osegi aao I work for my house nu de ki sa dasi ghalata khabara da :s akhir he is my neighbour living next to my house .. da punjab ora che khwro no hes na wayo kho che aghwi zamong bijli istemal kri nu bya monga daz doz sho !!


I never said that Pakhtuns are dangerous terrorists .. Khorai you need to go through my post once more .. ma wayal che halaat dasi di che they have to check each and every individual .. aao ka da terrorist khabara oko nu do you think Baitullah mehsud was a terrorist or not? :O who talked about robbing my house khorai :s

[Shehbaz Khan]

First of all, ANP even if they wanted to can't extend their writ into FATA, as it is under federal control. The Political Parties act has not extended to FATA, so ANP has jurisdiction there...this is Pakistan politics 101.
No actually you have set up a straw man argument to justify army...but here is the thing...MMA ran Pashtunkhwa as the primary lota party during Musharraf era...during this time the area of Pashtunkhwa went into full 'talibanization'...it was in this climate ANP were able to capture votes. They promised a restoration of peace and were the praimry party (along with PKMAP) that were against Pakistan's policies of the 1990s and were anti-taliban. The army were in swat for two years prior to the ANP and the people there had lost their trust in them. In Swat and other areas around it, it was a known slogan "Taliban army bhai bhai"...the base of Fazllulah was very close to the Army HQ in Swat. These are all known facts...in fact I would request the swatiyaan who are here to come forward and also shed light on this. Hec when the Wali e swat, who is pakistanai number 1 of malakand division blames the army...that should tell you something? People were protesting against the army's lack of "giving a dam"..there were protests in london, Canada, etc. That is how exposed the army got.

Amir Muqamm is from my area and I know the ttaposs he is....Sherpao...they are political oppurtunists of the highest order.

And like I asked you before who created MQM? MQM plaar sok wo?

About proof of ISI lolzz

One-third of CIA budget goes to ISI | TopNews

there ya go.

Drones were..here is the article

Feinstein comment on U.S. drones likely to embarrass Pakistan - Los Angeles Times

About further budgets on Pak armed forces read Ayesha Siddiqui Army Inc.

Kha nu ANP kho pa markaz ki hum nasta da kana .. Da dier wli masail di ANP kho da cha tapos hum na shi kawalay .. da iqtedar aao da paisi ogi khalaq .. Agha tapos kho zamong da Fakhr-e-Afghan da nwasi na kha shwalo kana che laka da yao pakhtun pa zegi nast wo takhtedo na aao na takhtedalay o ..
Ka aghwi opportunist di nu monga sa shay yu?



Haha da base of fazlullah was close to army headquarters in Swat .. you are ill mate Army will support a person who will be continually killing Army kha nu laka da wali .. monga sara da mazgho kamay day :s


MQM plaar ba zia wi .. kho da rata owaya mqm ta tolo na zyat nuqsan sok war rasai .. agha kam khalaq di che da mqm wajood na shi bardasht kawalay :O I had told you the power hungry Generals are an exception .. da laas penza goti yao shanti na wi

akhbarono tabseri byal shay wi aao haqeeqat byal .. media says which they can sell ..

[Shehbaz Khan]

Jasmin khor
shahbaz khan is sitting in karachi as he said himself, he still believe that pashtun are treated well and their rights are resspected, he doesnot own any property there, when it will be torched, to feel the pain. he has not seen the pashtun are being killed on the streets of karachi.
he would not know about pashtunkhwah what has happened to people over there, when the inocenty people were slaughtered and killed like dogs. now the called army operation is completed, they want to occupy the land of peolpe. they are looking for permanent base in the area it was the whole game.
Like Khyal wror said they dont go further than Mutalia pakistan and state controled media.

I am sitting in Karachi and I believe that the politics of Karachi is a tit for tat thing .. They kill us we kill them they tackle the media we don't !! This is how it goes here in Karachi .. Kho monga pukhtano kho dalta karachai ki hum da khpal tapos da para tolo na wochat pakhtun nationalists elect kari di .. aghwi zamong da haq da para sa wokral .. khabara da da che zamonga dagha ghat ghat ledaran hum khars shawi di

I am from KPK and I visit KPK every now and than so I am not that much less-informed as you think of me .. My whole family is living over there

State controlled media lolz man!!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Kha nu ANP kho pa markaz ki hum nasta da kana .. Da dier wli masail di ANP kho da cha tapos hum na shi kawalay .. da iqtedar aao da paisi ogi khalaq .. Agha tapos kho zamong da Fakhr-e-Afghan da nwasi na kha shwalo kana che laka da yao pakhtun pa zegi nast wo takhtedo na aao na takhtedalay o ..
Ka aghwi opportunist di nu monga sa shay yu?



Haha da base of fazlullah was close to army headquarters in Swat .. you are ill mate Army will support a person who will be continually killing Army kha nu laka da wali .. monga sara da mazgho kamay day :s


MQM plaar ba zia wi .. kho da rata owaya mqm ta tolo na zyat nuqsan sok war rasai .. agha kam khalaq di che da mqm wajood na shi bardasht kawalay :O I had told you the power hungry Generals are an exception .. da laas penza goti yao shanti na wi

akhbarono tabseri byal shay wi aao haqeeqat byal .. media says which they can sell ..

Wo kawalae shae ao maa dartha owaell che corrupt dee kho agha nur khabarae kho bae zae woo ao ghalthae ao lass pa kae da GHQ waa. Khaana da khabarae che wuss pakistan wor pasae zhaarree daa khabarae ba Wali Khan, Afzal Khan Lala ao Achakzai kawall che daa war ao worr darbandae raazee kho dyuu na mannll.

Look you can laugh about the swat thing all you want, these are things known there, and many members from those areas can attest to it. I have friends from Buner and Swat, in fact some of them even set up lashkars against talibs...kho agho kha pa khkaarae waee che drama da Army waa ao ghalthae ham da dyuu.

I know about the media quite well, just like when they called Baitullah and Fazllulah patriots and then a year or two later called them Indian agents lolzz...kha pa pwae yamm khaana daa qeesa aghho tha kawaa che pur dae tsa assr praeozee.

Funny now you accept who created MQM. Yes sure one operation by Babar and that was it...MQM is a lot stronger then before, and they are now cheer leading for martial law. Lolzz ajjb nuqsaan.

[Shehbaz Khan]

I have also friends from those areas and even my family members live there so might be we both had still different opinion because our belongings faced different situations :p

Hehe nu can't you figure out which news is right .. I'd never seen in the past 4 years media calling Baitullah Mehsud a patriot

[Nick]

Yes I am and I should speek in the best interest of My Country, Pakistan. The bold part is wrong in my society I agree .. And Army is trustable .. 99% of the Army is trustable as it's having honest officers who work for the welfare of the country and it's people except a few power and money hungry Generals who will never miss a chance to loot the country. It's I believe that for the first time in history we have got an Army Chief who is fully supporting the political govt and letting it flourish ..


But at the same time the people of Pakistan want results from the current political govt .. We wanted them to solve our problems but they didn't they failed to solve any problem whether it be ANP in Pakhtunkhwa or the Federal Govt of Mr. Ten Percent

Shehbaz Khan welcome to the forum. I hope you stay here longer and share your knowledge as well as great discussions.


A few words of advice that I have. Being in the Cyber worlds as well in social gathering with Pashtuwans from both inside Karachi as well as outside Karachi and other regions of Pakistan. I have meet many kind of Pashtuwans from Shia Karrum Pro-Pakistanis to lost Karachi Pashtuwans, from Hazara Quetta Pashtu speakers to Pro-ISI Hindu Peshawaris and from hidden pashtun claimed "hindkos" of Mardan to fake Afridi Swatis. They society of Pashtuwans is very complex and as a whole face to face the Pashtuwans of Pakistan all have a single view or (Majority view) and that Majority view is anti-ISI and not so much in favour of Army, Pakistan or BS this and BS that Pak*i stuff.

However in the cyber world there are 4 kind of people that I have came to learn about, who wants to represent Pakhtun population.

1. Fake Pathans (mostly punjanis often with odd and ironic claims)
2. Fake Pakhtuns curruption, and lies like Punjabis is part of their culture(those who are non-Pakhtun origin but speaks Pashtu) such groups of people are generally "Peshawaris" Hindko in Origin main supply chain of British Raj representing themselves as "Pathan" as well as supporters of Sikh rule.

3. Lost Pakhtuns (usually those living in Rahulpandi, Karachi, Lahore etc).

4. Shia Pakhtuns unfortunatly many of them in the Cyber world either in the west or directly from Pakistan. Although small in population but well known for being pro-Pakistani. Their origin is not known althought they claim to be from Afghan root but rejected by Afghans as lost fake Pakhtun or Mughali shia etc etc. Who they are and how Afghan/pakhtun they maybe is not so much of important but the fact that they are rejected by Pakhtun population is very important.

Regarding the genocide against Pakhtuns.
Its not about Mr.10%, its not about politics of Karachi being tity for taty, its not generals and curruption and nor its about Taliban and terrorism, but rather the many differences which you cannot see.

Unfortunatly you are one lost Pakhtun. I respect your views since you grown up in a society like Karachi where there are 2 to 3 million Pakhtuns, this city indeed has more Pakhtuns then Karachi or Kandahar, indeed it should feel like home. But you are forgetting one thing, that you people are considered immigrants just as we consider Tajiks/Uzbeks/Turkmans total of some 15% of Afghan population to be be immigrants from Turkistan who are not counted as natives of northen Afghanistan. In the same context you guys Pashtu speakers are immigrants to urdu speakers. The Urdu speakers as being Indic in Race and Pashtu speakers as being Afghan in Race have many differences and share a common religion, perhabs passport as well but over all its the "many differences" that results in killing each-other. Amongst the many differences are facial features, dress Code, social behavior, customs, culture as well as language and history, since Karachi's has large number of urdu-speaking Shias we can could the religous differences with Pashtu-speakers as well.



Since you accepted Pakistan as your "Country" never try to represent Pakhhtun population as a whole and nor try to speak on their behave, its enough that your fake Hindkos voted for them to join Pakistan 60 years ago.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I have also friends from those areas and even my family members live there so might be we both had still different opinion because our belongings faced different situations :p

Hehe nu can't you figure out which news is right .. I'd never seen in the past 4 years media calling Baitullah Mehsud a patriot

Lolzz you sure about that..ok here let me enlighten you

Pakistan News Service - PakTribune

Dagha army, ISI gerda state khpl Angraezaano system kha yaadh karrae dae aakhir mulk che peerangyaan war ko :-P.

P.S. Nick its pashtuns or Pashtaana. Manana

[Shehbaz Khan]

Nick:

Agreed to your points about Karachi .. What I think is that if you remove politics from Karachi its a heaven to live in .. All Mohajirs are not bad all Pakhtuns are not bad but yes a bunch of Muhajirs and Pakhtuns kill innocent people on both sides to gain their own interest ..!! A large city large problems


Lost Pakhtun tho I dis-agree with you on this point as I was raised and still among all the nationalist here in Pakistan whether it was my village or here in Karachi .. The thing is I don't understand why should we Pakhtuns hate Pakistan or hate Karachi .. I know MQMers haven't welcomed Pakhtuns over here but the people of Karachi did welcome them .. Go to any place in Karachi you will find Pakhtuns from root level to the high ranks !! What else we want ..

I guess Our Own people are responsible for our backwardness

Manana I hope we all in the end have the same aim tho with the difference of opinion we want Pakhtuns to live a prosperious and happy life

[Shehbaz Khan]

Oh yes they called them patriots .. I am a patriot as far I will be here to do any thing for my country not fight with the fellows of my country and work for it's prosperity but the moment I am against my country and it's interest how come I am a patriot ..

So here when Baitullah agreed to what Army said and their policies he is a patriot !! But I would rather call him a munafiq who always took u-turns and forgot what he promised

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Oh yes they called them patriots .. I am a patriot as far I will be here to do any thing for my country not fight with the fellows of my country and work for it's prosperity but the moment I am against my country and it's interest how come I am a patriot ..

So here when Baitullah agreed to what Army said and their policies he is a patriot !! But I would rather call him a munafiq who always took u-turns and forgot what he promised

Please tell me that isn't a serious reply? Lolzz walae da makhkae che dyuu da swat ao waziristan ao noro seemo kae ghobal rajiig krrl agha tsa wo? Marra Khudae ao Qur'an tha ogoraa thaa tha khpl wathan ao khalk domra arzaana khkaaree che pa yaw khula Pakistan wartha wathanpaal waee ao bal pae f-16 bambaree? Seriously man.