India Muslim women 'raped' in fatal attack 'over beef'

[Karachi]

Ok so your trying to sugar coat the severity and consistency of this epidemic of yours that is a huge problem by saying it will always happen because of the size of the population. Rubbish, China has more population why is it not a epidemic there? This is a Indian mindset problem and naive thinking. Bachabazi is not a Pashtun problem but an afghan one if it was a Pashtun problem then it would be widespread accross the 30 million Pashtun people in PK, average Pashtun there doesn't even know what it is let alon practice is. I'm denying the problem based on facts. Facts speak for itself, you have not provided any regarding Pashtuns-bachabazi apart from some report that you claim you have.

Rape comes from tribal mindset, and yes large parts of India do have that mindset, but again, India is improving, people are realizing and speaking against these issues all the time in Indian Media, this is why I always say (modernity) and education is the way to go

For your society, you hide everything under the rug and things remain the same, and dont be stupid, the world knows that Bacha Bazi is a huge Pashtun problem, why do you keep denying it? when there is so much evidence on the net? admit the problem and just say I condemn it, then I wont have to repeat myself. But unfortunately people like you lie to yourself and others and nothing gets solved

[Karachi]

Karachi's country, the Rapistan......Rape plays important role in the Hindu-Muslim tension in India.......few months ago, there was news that some Hindu youngsters in U.P raped the dead bodies of freshly buried Muslim girls ....this led to Hindu-Muslim tension in the area. Muslims of that country also commit rapes, they are not different from Hindus.

you do know that Pakistan has a higher rape rate then India:




Pakistan rape stats:

Your Punjab tops in everything: Pakistan Crime Rate 2015: Punjab tops most categories

Also Pashtuns would be up there too, if they counted Bacha Bazi, I agree that Pashtuns probably rape women less then Punjabis, however rape of boys among pashtuns is a different story

^ Afghanistan would also be upthere, had they studied the country

[Karachi]

How does he have the audacity to comment on sexual crime when his own people are known worldwide to be rapists, then casually play the 'well there's 1.2billion of us so it's not that bad' his justfication alone proves how shallow and normal he views rape.

Please give me one article on where Indians are known as rapist (worldwide), like I said in my previous post, Indians actually have no where near the world highest rape stats. On the contrary I can give you hundreds of articles of where Pashtuns are known as Bacha Baaz to the whole world

[Karachi]

Dalkhor, we deny bachabazi because its an embarrassing thing for us. Most of Afghans despise it. Unlike Indians we don't take pride on absuing women or children.

India has lower rates than Western countries for three reasons:

1) India is a third world sh*thole with weak government institutions. So most of rape cases go unreported.
2) Many women refuse to report because its taboo.
3) In the West every minor issue even when there is no penetration is reported by women.

Now go kill yourself you ugly coward.

Thank you for admitting the truth about the cultural bacha bazi, I appreciate it, now we can move on

and even if Indians have unreported rapes, they are much more reported compared to countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan, Indians have way more justice then these two ****hole countries

[Karachi]

Thats the difference: in Afghanistan we despise bachabazi. In India they take pride of their rapist nature. Actually even when their women get bang*d by a white man, they celebrate it. Indians are the most servile nation walking the earth.

You only say you despise bacha bazi, yet practice it so openly, no wonder there are close 2000 videos of boys dancing on youtube for old men in major hotels

and since when are most Indians taking pride in this? stop talking ****. Indians are protesting these rapes like you will never protest the rape of your boys. Of course things have to improve a lot still and justice needs to be done

[Karachi]

That's what I've been trying to tell this Ganges Bathing simpleton, he thinks that because he can find Youtube videos about it, that he can extrapolate population and crime statistics. This guy is desperate and pathetic.

The internet is full of Bacha Bazi / Pashtun homosexuality articles, and in fact you dont even need to go to the internet, just go to Saudi Arabia and see the millions of single Pathan men and their desperation there

Do me a favour, type "why Pashtun men are gay" and see the results yourself, the whole world is discussing this question, there has to a reason for this, don't you think, some of you like (Firdosi) has admitted bacha bazi / homosexuality is a problem in your culture, now you should too

[Karachi]

Sodomy and Sufism in Afgaynistan
By Spengler

Social scientists attached to the Second Marine Battalion in Afghanistan last year circulated a startling report on Pashtun sociology, in the form of a human terrain report on male sexuality among America's Afghan allies. The document, made available by military sources, is not classified, just disturbing. Don't ask, don't tell doesn't begin to qualify the problem. These are things you didn't want to know, and regret having heard. The marines got their money's worth from their Human Terrain adjuncts, but the report might have considered whether male pedophilia in Afghanistan has a religious dimension as well as a cultural one. I will explain why below.

sex with men - boys - in fact, the vast majority of their sexual contacts are with males. "A culturally-contrived homosexuality [significantly not termed as such by its practitioners] appears to affect a far greater population base then some researchers would argue is attributable to natural inclination. Some of its root causes lie in the severe segregation of women, the prohibitive cost of marriage within Pashtun tribal codes, and the depressed economic situation into which young Pashtun men are placed."

The human terrain team responded to scandalous interactions between Pashtun fighters and North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops, some reported with hilarity by the media. An article in the Scotsman of May 24, 2002, reported, for example: "In Bagram, British marines returning from an operation deep in the Afghan mountains spoke last night of an alarming new threat – being propositioned by swarms of gay local farmers. An Arbroath marine, James Fletcher, said: 'They were more terrifying than the al-Qaeda. One bloke who had painted toenails was offering to paint ours. They go about hand in hand, mincing around the village.' While the marines failed to find any al-Qaeda during the seven-day Operation Condor, they were propositioned by dozens of men in villages the troops were ordered to search."

Another interviewee in the article, a marine in his 20s, stated, "It was hell. Every village we went into we got a group of men wearing makeup coming up, stroking our hair and cheeks and making kissing noises."

The trouble, the researchers surmise, is "Pashtun society's extremely limited access to women," citing a Los Angeles Times interview with a young Pashtun identified as Daud. He only has sex with men, explaining: "I like boys, but I like girls better. It's just that we can't see the women to see if they are beautiful. But we can see the boys, and so we can tell which of them is beautiful."

Many of the Pashtuns interviewed allow "that homosexuality is indeed prohibited within Islam, warranting great shame and condemnation. However, homosexuality is then narrowly and specifically defined as the love of another man. Loving a man would therefore be unacceptable and a major sin within this cultural interpretation of Islam, but using another man for sexual gratification would be regarded as a foible -undesirable but far preferable to sex with a ineligible woman, which in the context of Pashtun honor, would likely result in issues of revenge and honor killings."

How prevalent are homosexual relations among Pashtuns? The researchers note that "medics treated an outbreak of gonorrhea among the local national interpreters on their camp. Approximately 12 of the nearly 20 young male interpreters present in the camp had contracted the disease, and most had done so anally. This is a merely anecdotal observation and far too small of a sample size to make any generalizations regarding the actual prevalence of homosexual activity region-wide. However, given the difficulty in procuring such data, it may serve as some indicator."

Through Khaled Hosseini's 2003 novel The Kite Runner, Western audiences caught a glimpse of what the military team calls "an openly celebrated cultural tradition. Kandahar's long artistic and poetic tradition idolizes the pre-pubescent ‘beardless boy’ as the icon of physical beauty. Further, even the newly re-emerging musical nightlife of southern Afghan cities idolizes pre-pubescent boy performers, whose star status lasts only as long as their voices remain immature."

"Kandahar's Pashtuns have been notorious for their homosexuality for centuries, particularly their fondness for naive young boys. Before the Taliban arrived in 1994, the streets were filled with teenagers and their sugar daddies, flaunting their relationship. It is called the homosexual capital of South Asia. Such is the Pashtun obsession with sodomy - locals tell you that birds fly over the city using only one wing, the other covering their posterior - that the rape of young boys by warlords was one of the key factors in Mullah Omar mobilizing the Taliban," the report adds.

Although the Taliban discouraged open display, it "should not be viewed as free of the culture and tradition of homosexuality of the Pashtun world of which it is a part" the authors add.

"Men who take on a halekon [young male lover] often attempt to integrate the boy into their families by marrying him to a daughter when the boy is no longer young enough to play the 'beardless' role. This maintains the love relationship between the father and son-in-law which inevitably makes difficult the establishment of a normal relationship with the wife," the human terrain Team explains.

The team's results are striking, but they place too much emphasis on the weirdness of Pashtun tradition and give too little attention to the broader role of homosexuality in Islamic (and especially Sufi) culture. What scholars now consider the Golden Age of Islamic love poetry, the Persian high middle ages, made homosexual pederasty the normative mode of love. While Petrarch wrote sonnets to Laura and Dante longed for Beatrice, their counterparts in the canon of Islamic poetry, Hafez and Rumi, wrote of their infatuation with young boys.

Afghanistan's own Sufi poet was the 17th-century bard Abdul Rahman Baba, of whom little is known except that he is said to have eloped with a young boy named Mujnoon. He is generally portrayed as a premature flower-child dedicated to peace and love; that must be what the Taliban thought as well, for they placed a bomb in his tomb in March 2009. According to the limited available criticism of Rahman's work, his Pashto poems are closely related to the Persian style of Rumi.

The prevalence of homosexual pedophilia in classical Islamic poetry, Persian as well as Pashto, suggests that the human terrain team may have missed an important dimension, namely the religious. In a study entitled Sufism, Sodomy and Satan published in this space August 12, 2008, I argued:

Sufi pedophilia cannot be dismissed as a remnant of the old tribal practices that Islam often incorporated, for example, female genital mutilation. Genital mutilation is a pre-Islamic practice unknown in the ancient and modern West. Even though some Muslim authorities defend it on the basis of Hadith, no one has ever claimed that it offered a path to enlightenment. Sadly, pedophiles are found almost everywhere. In its ascendancy, Sufism made a definitive spiritual experience out of a practice considered criminally aberrant in the West. But pederasty as a spiritual exercise is not essentially different in character from the furtive practices of Western perverts. As the psychiatrists explain, pederasty is an expression of narcissism, the love of an idealized youthful self-image.

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[Iblis_Efreetzai]

They're all refer to the same five articles and each article refers to one or more of the other articles

FAIL.

[Karachi]

They're all refer to the same five articles and each article refers to one or more of the other articles

FAIL.

The study was done once, but obviously people have observed it many more times since then and keep writing new articles on it.

For example US soldiers were told to ignore this huge problem in Afghans:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

One only has to see and observe pashtun men behavior, I observed it in Saudi Arabia, and obviously these guys are observing in Afghanistan, this has been part of you central asian culture since centuries, there are even your own people's writings and poetry's about it

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You posted this same thing before. These all refer to the same original sources, but just repeat them in various outlets, Sorry, garbage.

[Manzareh]

Churchil when invading Pashtuns wrote that if Pashtun men captured Britishers soldiers they would tie them to the ground and then get their wives to kill them by urinating in their mouthes and faces till they drown, he also wrote that during patrols they came accross some Pashtun men eating humans alive ... It's a war tactic you have to make the person your fighting seem as inhuman and savage as possible in order to get public support for using their taxes in fighting them. Also it's funny how you as a kafir are calling homosexuality a 'problem' your people are marching the streets in gay pride go join them otherwise your not a true Canadian.

[Manzareh]

Please give me one article on where Indians are known as rapist (worldwide), like I said in my previous post, Indians actually have no where near the world highest rape stats. On the contrary I can give you hundreds of articles of where Pashtuns are known as Bacha Baaz to the whole world

Dude India is portrayed as a haven for rape all over international media, it is as if they will be raped as soon as then get off the plane. It's a huge stereo type, don't act stupid.

Secondly I'll say it again, there's over 30 million Pashtuns in Pakistan, more Pashtuns then there is in Afghanistan yet there is no such thing as bachabazi there.. So it's only logical to assume it cannot be a Pashtun phenomenon or cultural trait, you can go ahead and force yourself to believe it is because it supports your narrative but truth is the truth, they don't even recognise the word since it's a Persian one. Pashtuns may be included in the practice in Afghanistan sure thing but it's more of a national thing since they are mixed with the Persians.

[mungojerry]

Dude India is portrayed as a haven for rape all over international media, it is as if they will be raped as soon as then get off the plane. It's a huge stereo type, don't act stupid.

Secondly I'll say it again, there's over 30 million Pashtuns in Pakistan, more Pashtuns then there is in Afghanistan yet there is no such thing as bachabazi there.. So it's only logical to assume it cannot be a Pashtun phenomenon or cultural trait, you can go ahead and force yourself to believe it is because it supports your narrative but truth is the truth, they don't even recognise the word since it's a Persian one. Pashtuns may be included in the practice in Afghanistan sure thing but it's more of a national thing since they are mixed with the Persians.

you not seen TV program about pashtune truck drivers keeps so many boys for bach baazi in peshawar?

Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P
Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The documentary alleges that 9 out of 10 children in Peshawar have been victims of pedophilia. It also contains interviews with truck drivers who have committed such crimes.

that means 90% children in Peshawar victim pedophilia., and other report says 50% pashtune mans in afghanistan rural areas have bacha baazi boys.

Now you say what to this above here?

[Aryana]

you not seen TV program about pashtune truck drivers keeps so many boys for bach baazi in peshawar?

Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P
Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The documentary alleges that 9 out of 10 children in Peshawar have been victims of pedophilia. It also contains interviews with truck drivers who have committed such crimes.

that means 90% children in Peshawar victim pedophilia., and other report says 50% pashtune mans in afghanistan rural areas have bacha baazi boys.

Now you say what to this above here?

What do you say to this goat****er?

Heera Mandi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unlike in your pathetic culture, which has no problem for entire centres of gay, transgender, pedophilic prostitution to take hold, bacha bazi is heavily frowned upon in Pashtun culture.

[Manzareh]

you not seen TV program about pashtune truck drivers keeps so many boys for bach baazi in peshawar?

Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P
Pakistan’s Hidden Shame: Documentary reveals horrors of pedophilia in K-P - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The documentary alleges that 9 out of 10 children in Peshawar have been victims of pedophilia. It also contains interviews with truck drivers who have committed such crimes.

that means 90% children in Peshawar victim pedophilia., and other report says 50% pashtune mans in afghanistan rural areas have bacha baazi boys.

Now you say what to this above here?

Firstly that has nothing to do with Bachabazi, either you don't know what bachazi is or your trying to label anything as Bachabazi.

Secondly, you are a lier where does it say 9 out of 10 children in Peshawar are victims of pedophilla or 90%..what a load of **** you are making up. Where it say 9 out of 10 kids in Peshawar have suffered pedophilia?? Desi Lier you have been watching too much Bollywood be real who you trying to fool. There's atleast 10 people from Peshawar here in the forum you are saying 9 of them have been victims of pedophiles??? Wake up, speak sense not nonsense.

Homeless kids are targeted around the world, kidnapped made into slaves, you desis kidnap them and make them work in factory's and make bricks, you desi's kidnap kids and force them into prostitution, are you forgetting all the other documentorys??? Or shall I remind you. You untouchable.