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[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Secularim brings balance and order, due to the many sects in Islam and diffrent belives, a shariah goverment is not possible without interfiring in some one personal belive system or forcing them to follow rules what they will nto want, what eventualy will leads to wars.

Secular Liberlaism allows things that contradict the way human species evolved, hence it contradicts balance and order and puts people at odds with their natural drives.

Islam sets people in harmony with their natural drives

[Khostai]

This is a complete fallacy since Shari'ah pre-existed modern Western States. Also if Western Imperialists supported Shari'ah, they wouldn't have backed Al-Sisisi in Egypt who are allies with Saudi, and neither are Shari'ah states. Yet both are complicit with giving access to resources to the West

Secular Liberalism is an Imperialist ideology, which means it is more in conformity of Western values, and thus would offer least threat to Imperialist elements since they work in agreement with each other. Look at Shah of Iran for example, so that shows your argument is false.

Sharia excisted in the past and died out when the West colonized the muslim world. Proving that shariah was not good enough to make the countries prosper and develope and withstand the far more powerfull west. This was the wake up call for the muslim to adopt modernism otherwise they will be used again. Iraq and Iran developed really fast Iraq in the 60 looked much more developed than some western countries. This was the time when secularism and modernism gained momentum in middle east. But it was stoped by the west, due to the fear middles east taking over.

Sha of Iran was far from being nice to the west, he opposed Israel and also wanted to whipe it from the map of the earth, thats one of reason why he was removed. Al-Sissi still has established Islam as a state religion and does not allow people to become atheist if they want, you still have to have a religion.
Saudi, the core of Islam and shariah allows the west to do what ever. The west wants to have Saudi type of shariah in the whole region and people like you are the slaves who will bring that to them.

[Firdousi]

Secularim brings balance and order, due to the many sects in Islam and diffrent belives, a shariah goverment is not possible without interfiring in some one personal belive system or forcing them to follow rules what they will nto want, what eventualy will leads to wars.

There is no "personal believe system" in eastern societies. You just want to impose Western individualism on collectivist people. You have been brainwashed by Western cultural imperialism.

Every time Western wannabe goofs have tried to Westernize an Islamic society it has utterly failed: Amanullah Khan and Communists in Afghanistan, Kemalism in Turkey, authoritarian secular regimes in the ME and CA such as Syria, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan,.. and so on. Every time you Western wannabes try to impose your hilarious vision on muslims religion comes back with a bitter revenge.

When will you losers realize that secularism and Western liberalism will do more bad than good in the Islamic world?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Sharia excisted in the past and died out when the West colonized the muslim world.

That's all you had to say, which proves Secularism is a western imperilaist institution to undermine Muslims reclaiming their values and principles. You basically admitted that it was Western interest to undermine Shari'ah.

everything else you wrote is just the imperialist narrative.

[Firdousi]

Sharia excisted in the past and died out when the West colonized the muslim world. Proving that shariah was not good enough to make the countries prosper and develope and withstand the far more powerfull west. This was the wake up call for the muslim to adopt modernism otherwise they will be used again. Iraq and Iran developed really fast Iraq in the 60 looked much more developed than some western countries. This was the time when secularism and modernism gained momentum in middle east. But it was stoped by the west, due to the fear middles east taking over.

Sha of Iran was far from being nice to the west, he opposed Israel and also wanted to whipe it from the map of the earth, thats one of reason why he was removed. Al-Sissi still has established Islam as a state religion and does not allow people to become atheist if they want, you still have to have a religion.
Saudi, the core of Islam and shariah allows the west to do what ever. The west wants to have Saudi type of shariah in the whole region and people like you are the slaves who will bring that to them.

Now you have proved to be an uneducated fool.

1953 Iranian coup d'etat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shah was a Western stooge. Typical homosexual pedophile gigolo with an high consideration of himself. A Western wannabe who wasted 100$ million in a fake nationalist ceremony while the average Iranian was starving.

USA doesn't give a cr*p about Sharia or democracy. As long as you don't stand against Western corporationism capitalism West is fine with you.

[Khostai]

Secular Liberlaism allows things that contradict the way human species evolved, hence it contradicts balance and order and puts people at odds with their natural drives.

Islam sets people in harmony with their natural drives

Ow really? Islam that says to cover women from head to toe in the hot sun, who says that men should grow beard but remove forskin...when its infact more hygenic to shave and removing foreskin is quite useless when you have to wash almost 5 times a day when you pray....OMG its so natural.

It is also Islam that allows men to marry 4 women, what will restrict the amount of children and a lot of poor men will be without a suitable partner. And the only reason why women are not allowed to have 4 husbands is because you could not identify whos chiled she may become pregnant. Becuase Allah did not know that after some hundreds of years human can use DNA to know who belongs to whom..

I guess Islam also supports natural drives by segregating men and women, what lead to a lot of homosexual behaviour among men, transforming whole countries in to prisons.

I guess it is also natural thing for women who once reached the age of 12 or had menstruation to be locked in at home and not be allowed to go out to get education or develop themself,,,becuase the scary men there could rape her...

Yes this is all so natural, and not to forget its comepletly natural to cut off the head of some one who does not belive or want to change his belives....

Thank you for teaching us what is natural and what not.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There is no "personal believe system" in eastern societies. You just want to impose Western individualism on collectivist people. You have been brainwashed by Western cultural imperialism.

There's no Western individualism, but self indulgence, Mainstream Western society people conform to popular psychology promoted through their institutions. It's only a veneer of individualty, in reality they just mindlessly follow trends

There's actually more individuality in "collectivist" people because each member sees themselves as personally accountable to the whole than in the false-individuality promoted in the mainstream by Western Liberalism.

[Khostai]

That's all you had to say, which proves Secularism is a western imperilaist institution to undermine Muslims reclaiming their values and principles. You basically admitted that it was Western interest to undermine Shari'ah.

everything else you wrote is just the imperialist narrative.

I just showed you why old and fallen goverment concepts should not be placed back in to excsitance.

[Khostai]

Now you have proved to be an uneducated fool.

1953 Iranian coup d'etat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shah was a Western stooge. Typical homosexual pedophile gigolo with an high consideration of himself. A Western wannabe who wasted 100$ million in a fake nationalist ceremony while the average Iranian was starving.

USA doesn't give a cr*p about Sharia or democracy. As long as you don't stand against Western corporationism capitalism West is fine with you.

Yes a secular goverment was replaced by a western backed dicator...He was usefull as Sadam in Iraq, but like many dicators he belived in this own superiority and forgot who put him there in the first place, you can see that by puting dictators was not enough to stop the development, they needed a total control and to have a submassive and brain dead population like that of the Gulf states. Thats why they came up with new shariah, taliban and new Jihad.

[Khostai]

There is no "personal believe system" in eastern societies. You just want to impose Western individualism on collectivist people. You have been brainwashed by Western cultural imperialism.

Every time Western wannabe goofs have tried to Westernize an Islamic society it has utterly failed: Amanullah Khan and Communists in Afghanistan, Kemalism in Turkey, authoritarian secular regimes in the ME and CA such as Syria, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan,.. and so on. Every time you Western wannabes try to impose your hilarious vision on muslims religion comes back with a bitter revenge.

When will you losers realize that secularism and Western liberalism will do more bad than good in the Islamic world?

you being a bachabaz atheist who want to use Islam to control people is apersoanl belive system. Fu.ckdousi

[Firdousi]

Yes a secular goverment was replaced by a western backed dicator...He was usefull as Sadam in Iraq, but like many dicators he belived in this own superiority and forgot who put him there in the first place, you can see that by puting dictators was not enough to stop the development, they needed a total control and to have a submassive and brain dead population like that of the Gulf states. Thats why they came up with new shariah, taliban and new Jihad.

For God sake, man, try to be reasonable. You are relying on conscription theories now. Can prove USA was behind the Islamic Revolution of Iran? I mean with facts.

If West wants systems like the ones in the Persian Gulf.. then why in Iraq and Afghanistan they have imposed a fake Western liberal copy? Do you really believe USA wants to stop development? NO. They want those countries to develop under a Western capitalist system. Just like GCC, Europe, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Thailand,.. and so on. You claim to be against Western imperialism but on the other hand you are encouraging Western cultural individualism/imperialism. No offense man, but you are kinda confused.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Ow really? Islam that says to cover women from head to toe in the hot sun

Which has a lot of wisdom because too much sun exposure can lead to melanoma. Islam is a balanced way, it doesn't say women should wear all black, that's Saudi culture, It doesn't say women can't get any sun exposure. You need some sun, but it does say cover up properly, but keep face and hands exposed.

This secular society which allows open clothing, has highest skin cancer rates.

It is also Islam that allows men to marry 4 women,

Which is perfectly in line with biology; since men can reproduce with four women within short span of time, and women can only reproduce with one man. This is united with parental investment, which takes many years hence it balances both reproduction and sexuality in proper harmony.

Also Evolutionary evidence shows that Human Species evolved because the Men who had More wives, were had better fitness to maintain their species, this lead to our brains becoming better and cognitive abilities more refined.

I guess Islam also supports natural drives by segregating men and women,

There's no absolute separation of sexes in Shari'ah, but there's no Khalwah between men and women. You're confusing Conservative culture n Pashtun society and Saudi Arabia with Shari'ah. There's no "free mixing" with genders, you can't just sit around and "hang out", but doesn't imply separation.

The Prophet Muhammad(saw) used to interact with women. So this shows it's not a Shari'ah requirement.

what lead to a lot of homosexual behaviour among men, transforming whole countries in to prisons.

According to science, evidence shows homosexuality has biological causes, often to do with epigenetic disorders in fetal development. So it has nothing to do with anything you suggest.

Islam rightly acknowledges it as disorder

I guess it is also natural thing for women who once reached the age of 12 or had menstruation to be locked in at home and not be allowed to go out to get education or develop themself,,,becuase the scary men there could rape her...

Again you're mixing conservative Pashtun society with Shari'ah.

Yes this is all so natural, and not to forget it comepletly natural to cut off the head of some one who does not belive or want to change his belives....

With the exception of Polygamy and women covering. Most of this isn't even what Islam advocates or supports and has nothing to do with Shari'ah. and even in the points of Women covering, it's not done under the Islamic guidelines in many places, so Islam isn't responsible

So yes Islam is in balance with our natural drives, but the stuff you refer to and wrongly think of as Shari'ah is not.

[Firdousi]

you being a bachabaz atheist who want to use Islam to control people is apersoanl belive system. Fu.ckdousi

I am not an Atheist nor i want to control people. I just don't want our people to lose our identity, values and roots and become weak, effeminate moaners like Westerners. Life is not only about "enjoying" it by drinking and using drugs. I am open to Western positive values, but those values must be ADOPTED by us, NOT IMPOSED by the West. Point to be noted.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

For God sake, man, try to be reasonable. You are relying on conscription theories now. Can prove USA was behind the Islamic Revolution of Iran? I mean with facts.

Oh my god he thinks that USA deposed THEIR OWN puppet Shah of Iran to Install the Ayatollah


LOOOOOOOOOOOL This Khostai is a conspiracy nut.

[Firdousi]

There's no Western individualism, but self indulgence, Mainstream Western society people conform to popular psychology promoted through their institutions. It's only a veneer of individualty, in reality they just mindlessly follow trends

There's actually more individuality in "collectivist" people because each member sees themselves as personally accountable to the whole than in the false-individuality promoted in the mainstream by Western Liberalism.

True to some degree. But I really believe West has adopted an "existentialist" posture when it comes to society. Its not just media imposing values people by brainwashing them. The average Westerner really and deeply believes in that "my life, my rules" theory.

I disagree with you when it comes to individualism in the our societies. There are too many limits in our cultures and many behaviors are considered taboo unlike in the West.