Jamiate Shaitani's Mullah Hanafi claims men can rape their wives

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Afghan lawmaker and former jihadi member of Jamiate Shaitani (Northern Alliance) said to a female journalist that men can rape their wives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3533962/Afghan-lawmaker-fire-controversial-interview-rape.html

[Karachi]

well, isn't this real though? Husbands in Islam are allowed to force sex, if wife refuses, it's the same thing

[DaZahroJaam.]

sure they can. afghan men torch women in the middle of the street, they can take your child from your arms and smash it against a wall, they can set you on fire and they can chop your ears or nose off. but that is not the point. the point is that what he actually said was "i should have you handed over to an afghan man" but good to know how well you twist a truth or choose parts of it to push your agenda forward. do you not feel ashamed of your munafeqat??

i have prayed four times in the course of last 6 years. why is it that i am able to tell the truth more accurately than you, shamlawar?? surely you are more dedicated to your faith than i..so why the lack of shame when it comes to hypocrisy??

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

well, isn't this real though? Husbands in Islam are allowed to force sex, if wife refuses, it's the same thing

You probably believe in the same religion as this criminal. And that religion is most certainly not Islam.

[Karachi]

You probably believe in the same religion as this criminal. And that religion is most certainly not Islam.

I dont follow this s_hit, I am just saying what many mullahs/imams say, surely they must be getting this s_hit from somewhere in the texts

[Karachi]

sure they can. afghan men torch women in the middle of the street, they can take your child from your arms and smash it against a wall, they can set you on fire and they can chop your ears or nose off. but that is not the point. the point is that what he actually said was "i should have you handed over to an afghan man" but good to know how well you twist a truth or choose parts of it to push your agenda forward. do you not feel ashamed of your munafeqat??

i have prayed four times in the course of last 6 years. why is it that i am able to tell the truth more accurately than you, shamlawar?? surely you are more dedicated to your faith than i..so why the lack of shame when it comes to hypocrisy??

There is a concept of "deceiving" in Islam, read about it. Shamlawar seems to use that a lot. also in general religious muslims are hypocrites

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I dont follow this s_hit, I am just saying what many mullahs/imams say, surely they must be getting this s_hit from somewhere in the texts

Islam is a positive religion in the sense that everything considered as Islam must be present in the revelation in the Quran & Sunnah. Anything that isn't specifically stated is considered as mere opinion.

if you believe something to be part of Islam, you must show a specific verse or an authentic Hadith to prove it.

What people like you and demagogues, obscurantists and charlatans claiming to be Mullahs have in common is that you don't have any source to refer to when you make claims.

You agitate against them while in fact, you reason exactly like them.

[Karachi]

Islam is a positive religion in the sense that everything considered as Islam must be present in the revelation in the Quran & Sunnah. Anything that isn't specifically stated is considered as mere opinion.

if you believe something to be part of Islam, you must show a specific verse or an authentic Hadith to prove it.

What people like you and demagogues, obscurantists and charlatans claiming to be Mullahs have in common is that you don't have any source to refer to when you make claims.

You agitate against them while in fact, you reason exactly like them.

so is this Salafi brother of yours just making up stuff? he is basically saying the same thing as the other guy you posted



and clearly we already know according to the Quran muslims can rape women in combat. In fact this was one of justifications of the Pakistan army which massed raped Bengali women in the 1971 war:



So no, all this doesn't make Islam look pretty

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

so is this Salafi brother of yours just making up stuff? he is basically saying the same thing as the other guy you posted



and clearly we already know according to the Quran muslims can rape women in combat. In fact this was one of justifications of the Pakistan army which massed raped Bengali women in the 1971 war:



So no, all this doesn't make Islam look pretty

Rape is using force or intimidating a person into having sexual intercourse.

Where does It say in the Qur'an that you can forcefully have sexualiteit intercourse with another person?

[Karachi]

Rape is using force or intimidating a person into having sexual intercourse.

Where does It say in the Qur'an that you can forcefully have sexualiteit intercourse with another person?

are you denying what "your right hand posses" means in the quran, of course no book will directly say to rape, but it indirectly gives a clear easy path to rape, and there many many hadiths about War Booty out there which easily permit rape

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

are you denying what "your right hand posses" means in the quran, of course no book will directly say to rape, but it indirectly gives a clear easy path to rape, and there many many hadiths about War Booty out there which easily permit rape

Thats how YOU and pervert Mullah's like Nazir Ahmad Hanafi may interpret that. However, in order to claim that Qur'an permits rape, you have to bring specific verses. Not mere conjecture.

[Karachi]

Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

Qur’an 33:50—O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war ...

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4138—We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the invasion of Bun Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus [same as "azl" above]. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said: "How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us? We asked (him) about it and he said: "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."

Sahih Muslim 3384—Jabir bin Abdullah reported that a person asked Allah’s Apostle saying: I have a slave-girl and I practice azl with her, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: This cannot prevent that which Allah has decreed. The person then came (after some time) and said: Messenger of Allah, the slave-girl about whom I talked to you has conceived, whereupon Allah’s Messenger said: I am the servant of Allah and His Messenger.

[Karachi]

Again not directly saying to rape, but giving a clear path to rape. So if a person rapes in war, he wont be punished at all. Again Pakistan army used this in 1971 and so did so many muslim armies, also ISIS is doing it today

So to claim Islam doesn;t talk about raping is BS

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Again not directly saying to rape, but giving a clear path to rape. So if a person rapes in war, he wont be punished at all. Again Pakistan army used this in 1971 and so did so many muslim armies, also ISIS is doing it today

So to claim Islam doesn;t talk about raping is BS

LOOOOOL. So now you're not just dumb you are illiterate. Lets look at the lexicon. So if I say, "Don't have sex with anyone except your wife or your slave girl" that ipso facto translates in your sick pervert, sex starved mind (cus Jennifer just wont deign to accept your weak gametes) into "You can rape your wife and your slave girl but dont rape anyone else?"

When Thomas Jefferson had sex with his field hand, it is to this day viewed as a consensual relationship with his slave.

In those times a slave was seen as an individual with whom sexual intercourse was permissable.

Or consider the wife of the Prophet, the Jewess Saffiyah. She was taken as a captive in war and he demonstrated the appropriate behavior on how to deal with a beautiful and prominent war captive in terms of this right to "have sex with a slave." Or for that matter the slave girl from Egypt, Maryam. To the end of their days their traditions would maintain a great deal of affection for their husband.

On the other hand, when you are gone though, weak seed and all, I am sure Jennifer will find a more suitable partner and from time to time bring up her needle d-ick slave.

LOL. In fact I assume why you bristle at this issue of slavery is that you want all your due rights if Jennifer marries you. Because I mean if you are her slave hand then she can decide not to reproduce withyou LOOOOL

Damn, you have lowered your respect leagues with your stupid statements regarding Islam in a Pashtun forum of places. Even those Afghans who hate Pakistan with a passion and enjoy your outbursts about that matter aren't touching you with a 10 foot pole.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Again not directly saying to rape, but giving a clear path to rape. So if a person rapes in war, he wont be punished at all. Again Pakistan army used this in 1971 and so did so many muslim armies, also ISIS is doing it today

So to claim Islam doesn;t talk about raping is BS

Quick reach for the Taqiyah card! LOL.