Jamiate Shaitani's Mullah Hanafi claims men can rape their wives

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Again not directly saying to rape, but giving a clear path to rape. So if a person rapes in war, he wont be punished at all. Again Pakistan army used this in 1971 and so did so many muslim armies, also ISIS is doing it today

So to claim Islam doesn;t talk about raping is BS

You just admitted it didn't within the first sentence.....are you OK dude?

[Sarbani]

Thats how YOU and pervert Mullah's like Nazir Ahmad Hanafi may interpret that. However, in order to claim that Qur'an permits rape, you have to bring specific verses. Not mere conjecture.

Quran 2:223 - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

Qur'an 4:24 - "Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise."

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Quran 2:223 - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

Qur'an 4:24 - "Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise."

LOOOOL. Wow, you're the new dumb sh-it on the block right?

Lets look at the word first. Tilth. Whats Tilth? Land my commie friend. Or what are you these days? Secular capitalists?

In most cultures still, especially Eastern cultures land is sacred. Our own people say Zar, Zameen, Zan.

And land that is cultivated and able to grow is treated with even more dedication. Do you see people pouring plastic, trash, etc and defiling land in the East if they view it as their tillable land?

The woman is not being defiled as in "go treat her like dirt" shes being referred to as fertile land and the explanation follows:

Ibn Kathir elucidated, in his tafsir what the meaning of the this verse was:

Ibn `Abbas commented, "Meaning the place of pregnancy.'' ﴿Allah then said. (...so go to your tilth, when or how you will,) meaning, wherever you wish from the front or from behind, as long as sex takes place in one valve (the female sexual organ), as the authentic Hadiths have indicated. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn Al-Munkadir said that he heard Jabir say that the Jews used to claim that if one has sex with his wife from behind (in the vagina) the offspring would become cross-eyed. Then, this Ayah was revealed:
(Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth, when or how you will,)
Muslim and Abu Dawud also reported this Hadith.
Ibn Abu Hatim said that Muhammad bin Al-Munkadir narrated that Jabir bin `Abdullah told him that the Jews claimed to the Muslims that if one has sex with their wife from behind (in the vagina) their offspring will become cross-eyed. Allah revealed afterwards

(Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth, when or how you will,)
Ibn Jurayj (one of the reporters of the Hadith) said that Allah's Messenger said:

(From the front or from behind, as long as that occurs in the Farj (vagina).) Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "The Ayah, (Your wives are a tilth for you) was revealed about some people from the Ansar who came to the Prophet and asked him (about having sex with the wife from behind). He said to them:

(Have sex with her as you like as long as that occurs in the vagina.)
Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Sabit said: I went to Hafsah bint `Abdur-Rahman bin Abu Bakr and said, "I wish to ask you about
something, but I am shy.'' She said, "Do not be shy, O my nephew.'' He said, "About having sex from behind with women.'' She said, "Umm Salamah told me that the Ansar used to refrain from having sex from behind (in the vagina). The Jews claimed that those who have sex with their women from behind would have offspring with crossed-eyes. When the Muhajirun came to Al-Madinah, they married Ansar women and had sex with them from behind. One of these women would not obey her husband and said, `You will not do that until I go to Allah's Messenger (and ask him about this matter). ' She went to Umm Salamah and told her the story. Umm Salamah said, `Wait until Allah's Messenger comes.' When Allah's Messenger came, the Ansari woman was shy to ask him about this matter, so she left. Umm Salamah told Allah's Messenger the story and he said..

As you can see, women of that era had a choice and the Ansari lady went and consulted the Prophetic guidance.

The verse actually LIBERALIZED sexual attitudes. This is why even to this day regarding these tendencies of the Jews and Christians to partake mainly in the missionary position has earned the name "missionary position."

The female clitorus is more stimulatable from behind and permits more pleasure. Female Orgasm in turn also facilitates the sperm reaching its target it is theorized.

See, you dumb commies and militant secularists, if you met your heroes that you have attempted to reinvent and said half the crap you do here to them, like if you said the uninformed crap you said here to Ahmad Shah Abdali, Khushal Khan Khattak or Abdullah Achakzai ... your nose would be inside your rectum when they finished with you lol.

I think personally the fact that you defile the Quran in the most ignorant ways and attempt to not look at the issue in a panaromatic way by truly investigating the crap you post should result in higher degrees of regulation by the moderators regarding your posts. But that is their business. Perhaps they prefer not to deal with handicapped fools.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Reference Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...=189&Itemid=36

[Damir9000]

You probably believe in the same religion as this criminal. And that religion is most certainly not Islam.

I guess it is not your version of Islam.

[Damir9000]

LOOOOOL. So now you're not just dumb you are illiterate. Lets look at the lexicon. So if I say, "Don't have sex with anyone except your wife or your slave girl" that ipso facto translates in your sick pervert, sex starved mind (cus Jennifer just wont deign to accept your weak gametes) into "You can rape your wife and your slave girl but dont rape anyone else?"

When Thomas Jefferson had sex with his field hand, it is to this day viewed as a consensual relationship with his slave.

In those times a slave was seen as an individual with whom sexual intercourse was permissable.

Or consider the wife of the Prophet, the Jewess Saffiyah. She was taken as a captive in war and he demonstrated the appropriate behavior on how to deal with a beautiful and prominent war captive in terms of this right to "have sex with a slave." Or for that matter the slave girl from Egypt, Maryam. To the end of their days their traditions would maintain a great deal of affection for their husband.

On the other hand, when you are gone though, weak seed and all, I am sure Jennifer will find a more suitable partner and from time to time bring up her needle d-ick slave.

LOL. In fact I assume why you bristle at this issue of slavery is that you want all your due rights if Jennifer marries you. Because I mean if you are her slave hand then she can decide not to reproduce withyou LOOOOL

Damn, you have lowered your respect leagues with your stupid statements regarding Islam in a Pashtun forum of places. Even those Afghans who hate Pakistan with a passion and enjoy your outbursts about that matter aren't touching you with a 10 foot pole.

So, Muhammad had slaves and he had sex with them.

And that's cool?

As for Thomas Jefferson,
nobody pushes him as an example to follow for all humanity.
Also, he never claimed to be a prophet of God.

[Sarbani]

So, Muhammad had slaves and he had sex with them.

And that's cool?

As for Thomas Jefferson,
nobody pushes him as an example to follow for all humanity.
Also, he never claimed to be a prophet of God.

Are Muslims allowed to own Muslim sex slaves under Islam or just non-Muslim sex slaves?

[Damir9000]

Are Muslims allowed to own Muslim sex slaves under Islam or just non-Muslim sex slaves?

From what I heard, only non-Muslim.
The ones who were enslaved were usually conquered people.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Sex slaves? You must have read to many orientalist literature.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

So, Muhammad had slaves and he had sex with them.

And that's cool?

As for Thomas Jefferson,
nobody pushes him as an example to follow for all humanity.
Also, he never claimed to be a prophet of God.

First, don't pretend you are smart. You're not. In fact you're very very dumb. Your level of intelligence and ability to correlate data, fact, history, etc are on the par with a pinhead.

First, Thomas Jefferson had many many good traits in terms of his investigative nature and the leading power of this era has many constitutionalists who would beg to differ regarding Jefferson serving as a powerful example of leadership for their people.

Second, no Prophet and certainly no major leader with the except of Cyrus had advocated freedom for bondsmen and bondswomen. Its certainly not a principle advocated in Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism etc.

Prior to the Quran demanding that adopted parties maintain their lineage the Prophet went so far as to have his slave be emancipated, then renamed with the Title Zaid Bin Muhammad. That was making a big statement in Meccan society even then.

Regarding sex with slaves and slave relationships, even as recently as the 1800s when Sultan Mohammad and other Pashtun leaders were in charge they had slaves with whom they had sons and daughters who inherited from their fathers.

So yes its perfectly "cool" when you have a good man who was renowned in his time for doing the outlandish thing of freeing slaves, advocating for their freedom irrespective of their religion, and also advocating that once freed they be married as well or be considered appropriate for marriage.

That level of evolutionary thought that was centuries ahead of its time certainly permits the Prophet to be the progressive example for all times as opposed to that ugly piece of sh-it in your photo who had one or two good songs... particularly Blowin in the Wind which ended up being inspired by Guthrie so even that wasn't original.

[Damir9000]

Sex slaves? You must have read to many orientalist literature.

No, I heard it from Islamic Preachers on YouTube trying to justify it.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

From what I heard, only non-Muslim.
The ones who were enslaved were usually conquered people.

What you heard? lol. When what comes out of your mouth is bu-ll sh-it my assumption is that what you "heard" was probably of a similar caliber.

There were believing and non believing slaves and the concept was embedded into the economy of most of the even developed world of that time.

When Byzantium/Rome would roll out and take a province it would collect nations of slaves

Slavery from Roman Times to the Early Transatlantic Trade discussed how even the inheritor empires continued this tradition:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Slavery_from_Roman_Times_to_the_Early_Tr.html?id=0B8NAQAAIAAJ

I would gladly posit that a Prophet of the desert from an unlettered people who promulgated the concept of emancipation as a charity and a good deed and elevated post slavery status women to marriageable in a patriarchal society infatuated with status was a far far far better man than a piece of human rubbish such as yourself with nothing more than a big mouth.

[Damir9000]

First, don't pretend you are smart. You're not. In fact you're very very dumb. Your level of intelligence and ability to correlate data, fact, history, etc are on the par with a pinhead.

First, Thomas Jefferson had many many good traits in terms of his investigative nature and the leading power of this era has many constitutionalists who would beg to differ regarding Jefferson serving as a powerful example of leadership for their people.

Second, no Prophet and certainly no major leader with the except of Cyrus had advocated freedom for bondsmen and bondswomen. Its certainly not a principle advocated in Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism etc.

Prior to the Quran demanding that adopted parties maintain their lineage the Prophet went so far as to have his slave be emancipated, then renamed with the Title Zaid Bin Muhammad. That was making a big statement in Meccan society even then.

Regarding sex with slaves and slave relationships, even as recently as the 1800s when Sultan Mohammad and other Pashtun leaders were in charge they had slaves with whom they had sons and daughters who inherited from their fathers.

So yes its perfectly "cool" when you have a good man who was renowned in his time for doing the outlandish thing of freeing slaves, advocating for their freedom irrespective of their religion, and also advocating that once freed they be married as well or be considered appropriate for marriage.

That level of evolutionary thought that was centuries ahead of its time certainly permits the Prophet to be the progressive example for all times as opposed to that ugly piece of sh-it in your photo who had one or two good songs... particularly Blowin in the Wind which ended up being inspired by Guthrie so even that wasn't original.

LOL
Man you left me speechless.

[Damir9000]

What you heard? lol. When what comes out of your mouth is bu-ll sh-it my assumption is that what you "heard" was probably of a similar caliber.

There were believing and non believing slaves and the concept was embedded into the economy of most of the even developed world of that time.

When Byzantium/Rome would roll out and take a province it would collect nations of slaves

Slavery from Roman Times to the Early Transatlantic Trade discussed how even the inheritor empires continued this tradition:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Slavery_from_Roman_Times_to_the_Early_Tr.html?id=0B8NAQAAIAAJ

I would gladly posit that a Prophet of the desert from an unlettered people who promulgated the concept of emancipation as a charity and a good deed and elevated post slavery status women to marriageable in a patriarchal society infatuated with status was a far far far better man than a piece of human rubbish such as yourself with nothing more than a big mouth.

Muslims enslaving Muslim?
Thanks for clearing it up.
It is even worse than I first thought.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOL
Man you left me speechless.

Glad to serve as the Imodium to treat that bullsh-it coming out of your mouth. You need a little a mental constipation to keep that feces locked up in your head.