Implosion of ISIS (DAESH) in Afghanistan: Muslimdost denounces Hafiz Saeed Khan

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2015/10/19/senior-leader-breaks-ties-khorasan-chief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ashraf Ghani's pet project is about to fail just like his presidency. Prominent Salafi Jihadi cleric who chose to endorse foax caliphate announces his disassociation with the current leader of the group due to gross violation of Islamic principles, oppression and injustice against Afghans.

I applaud him for this. I know Muslimdost as a decent person. I was extremely disappointed to hear about him joining ISIS. His lettre of disassociation does mention that he is still loyal to Baghdadi. Hopefully, this will change in near future.

We need people like Muslimdost to distance themselves from extremism. He contributed allot by writing very important books about Pakistan's dirty dealings in Afghanistan.

I hope more people distance themselves from this evil group. Many already abandoned ISIS in Iraq and Syria. I think most people in Afghanistan and Pakistan are still unaware of the true nature of this evil group. The more people realize what they are really like, the less time it will take for this group to vanish completely.

[marwat]

shamlawara see you are acting like muslimdost had no idea about IS, their brutal manners and their ideology, and just jumped into caliphate boat. in no way IS khurassani group is more brutal than IS in iraq and syria. he abandoned taliban due to his frustration with them and joined IS due to their success, now taliban showed their muscle and he is coming back.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

shamlawara see you are acting like muslimdost had no idea about IS, their brutal manners and their ideology, and just jumped into caliphate boat. in no way IS khurassani group is more brutal than IS in iraq and syria. he abandoned taliban due to his frustration with them and joined IS due to their success, now taliban showed their muscle and he is coming back.

Muslimdost and Abu Yazeed Abdul Qaher both critisized the interference of ISI in Taliban politics. Both were persecuted and imprisoned by ISI and Americans.

They felt betrayed by Taliban and they were forced to leave the group. You are right. They did choose to join ISIS because they are desperate. This is very unfortunate. Because both men contributed to better understanding among Muslims of what Pakistan is really doing to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But I don't think they chose to join ISIS because they agree with their brutality and extremism. This is why I hope they will reconsider and change their minds.

Many people join groups and movements due to lack of better alternatives. While doing so they make concessions and compromise on their own principles.

Muslimdost did not rejoin Taliban. He is still with ISIS. You are wrong to assume Taliban are gaining momentum. Taliban are still as they were before Mansour succeeded Umar.

The difference is, media and local warlords want Taliban to appear stronger in order to draw foreign forces back to Afghanistan.

I believe ISIS is heavily infiltrated by Govt agents who are doing Ashraf Ghani's bidding.

Even in Iraq and Syria, many infiltrators were caught. These people use movements to advance a particular agenda.

Think about it: if these Islamic groups want to hold territory and control it, they need to have good relationship with its people. They are the underdogs and they lack international backing. So good relationship with local people is vital to any rebel movement.

That's why it doesn't make sense when Taliban or ISIS terrorize people and oppress them. It only harms them as a movement.

What happened in Nangarhar, reveals how ISIS in Adghanistan is not serving its own interests. It only harms the position of such groups in the region. Thanks to what Hafiz Saeed Khan has done, people will never accept ISIS.

I think this is the reason why many people who oppose Kabul regime and the Taliban still choose not to join them.

The criticism of Muslimdost further weakens the position of ISIS. It may pave the way for a new era when armed militants face more scrutiny and internal uprising against injustice and criminal policies.

The current regime in Kabul is unable to change and sto oppressing people. There is still hope for the armed opposition. If they change their ways and adapt a more sensible strategy, more people will see them as legitimate opposition to current regime.

Currently, most armed groups loosely tied to Taliban and ISIS lack the amount of public support they need in order to become what they intend to become.

As a Muslim, I wish to see a more sensible and effective form of opposition to current regime. If internal division and criticism from within is what it takes to change these groups, then I am all for it.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

What most people don't realize is that many Muslims inside these armed groups disagree with certain policies and strategies of the leaders. But they choose to remain silent fearing their criticism might harm their cause.

Although noble, this tactic has its drawbacks in the long run. People saw Sayyaf, Rabbani and others acting against Islam while leading the Jihad against Russians. They chose to remain silent in order to protect the war effort against division and disunity. Eventually, they realized how their silence allowed these movement to transform in to monsters.

If people don't come forward and speak out against some of the things currently happening under ISIS and Taliban, these groups will eventually end up like the criminal Ikhwani movements of the 80's.

[Mohammed]

If IS really takes hold in Afghanistan, it will be a terrible tragedy. They have essentially declared war on all Muslims that don't give bayah to them. They kill scholars and other Muslims simply because they do not approve of their brutal methods - they consider such people to be infidels.

We need stability and peace in Afghanistan, but if IS takes hold, we won't see it for a very long time. Afghanistan will completely implode from within.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

IS will never take large portion of Afghanistan. They don't enjoy support from the local people. They don't have enough power to force people to accept them like the central government does.

If you want to dominate a piece of land, you either have to scare people into submission or win their hearts and minds. IS fails in both fields.

[randolph85]

IS in Afghanistan doesn't have the benefit of feeding off the deep sectarian conflicts that they do in Syria and Iraq, especially Sunni vs Shia.

Shamlawar, do you think this alternative Taliban in opposition to the new Amir will bring Muslimdost and others back into the fold of the Taliban?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

IS in Afghanistan doesn't have the benefit of feeding off the deep sectarian conflicts that they do in Syria and Iraq, especially Sunni vs Shia.

Shamlawar, do you think this alternative Taliban in opposition to the new Amir will bring Muslimdost and others back into the fold of the Taliban?

I have no idea. To be honest i have no clue of what is going on inside Taliban lately. Most of the info I use to receive came through a friend who knows allot. But we haven't talked much for ages.

if I hear anything I will post it here.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

There is one thing I do know about Abu Yazeed and Muslimdost. They feel betrayed and back stabbed by Taliban. I have heard one of his lectures. He said there is a book in Pakistan which is very popular among Taliban. The book is about a specific topic. Basically the book provides theological justification for Taliban to fight Jihad while still being subservient to a Kaafir government in Pakistan.

The main premise of the book is that the Prophet sal allahu Alayhi wasalam used non Muslim help to fight against enemies of Islam. Abu Yazeed condemned those scholars who teach from this book and he condemned people for not refuting the falsehood being taught in this book.

Abu Yazeeds refutation was as follows: when Prophet Muhammed used non Muslim help in Jihad, he wasn't being used as an instrument. He made a deal where he was not subservient to the cause of non Muslims. Therefore, Abu Yazeed argues, this doesn't apply to the Talibans case. Because Taliban are manipulated, exploited, and even threatened to do what Pakistan wants them to do. Another person who knows Abu Yazeed told me several prominent Taliban leaders are forced to do what Pakistan tells them to do otherwise, the wives and children of those Taliban are murdered.

The Pakistani jihadi Salafi groups like Jamaatu Dawah etc helped to locate and kidnap the families of Taliban. Those families are held in captivity for more than a decade by ISI.

See, I have reasons to believe that this is true. I believe if this is how Abu Yazeed and others like him are feeling about Taliban, there is no way they will ever go back and join Taliban.

May guess is that after ISIS the jihadi career of these men will end. They will either die, go to prison or stop fighting al together.

This is why I said earlier, these people who have joined ISIS are all desperate. They haven't other choice. I don't believe they are so evil to actually approve the barbarism of ISIS. In fact I am glad I haven't heard many Afghans defending Isis or making up excuses for them.


The fact that a veteran and a scholar like Muslimdost has openly denounced Hafiz Saeed Khan means allot. This is big news. People have no idea how big the impact of this denunciation will be on ISIS. Especially now that there are so many deffections in Iraq and Syria. Even notorious European nut jobs now no longer support them.

[marwat]

There is one thing I do know about Abu Yazeed and Muslimdost. They feel betrayed and back stabbed by Taliban. I have heard one of his lectures. He said there is a book in Pakistan which is very popular among Taliban. The book is about a specific topic. Basically the book provides theological justification for Taliban to fight Jihad while still being subservient to a Kaafir government in Pakistan.

The main premise of the book is that the Prophet sal allahu Alayhi wasalam used non Muslim help to fight against enemies of Islam. Abu Yazeed condemned those scholars who teach from this book and he condemned people for not refuting the falsehood being taught in this book.

Abu Yazeeds refutation was as follows: when Prophet Muhammed used non Muslim help in Jihad, he wasn't being used as an instrument. He made a deal where he was not subservient to the cause of non Muslims. Therefore, Abu Yazeed argues, this doesn't apply to the Talibans case. Because Taliban are manipulated, exploited, and even threatened to do what Pakistan wants them to do. Another person who knows Abu Yazeed told me several prominent Taliban leaders are forced to do what Pakistan tells them to do otherwise, the wives and children of those Taliban are murdered.

The Pakistani jihadi Salafi groups like Jamaatu Dawah etc helped to locate and kidnap the families of Taliban. Those families are held in captivity for more than a decade by ISI.

See, I have reasons to believe that this is true. I believe if this is how Abu Yazeed and others like him are feeling about Taliban, there is no way they will ever go back and join Taliban.

May guess is that after ISIS the jihadi career of these men will end. They will either die, go to prison or stop fighting al together.

This is why I said earlier, these people who have joined ISIS are all desperate. They haven't other choice. I don't believe they are so evil to actually approve the barbarism of ISIS. In fact I am glad I haven't heard many Afghans defending Isis or making up excuses for them.


The fact that a veteran and a scholar like Muslimdost has openly denounced Hafiz Saeed Khan means allot. This is big news. People have no idea how big the impact of this denunciation will be on ISIS. Especially now that there are so many deffections in Iraq and Syria. Even notorious European nut jobs now no longer support them.

this is what i am saying about the taliban from the day i joined the group but people like khushal and insight be like, hey don't give too much credit to pakistan

two days ago another senior taliban leader was arrested in UAE.

official, who wished to go unnamed, confided to Pajhwok Zahid had increased interaction with the Afghan government and his arrest might be a joint effort of the spy networks of the UAE and Pakistan.

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2015/10/19/uae-government-detains-former-taliban-leader

[marwat]

did any one notice how pakistan is pursuing peace talks with America and Afghanistan on behalf of Taliban? and milking both at the same time.

[Mohammed]

This is why I said earlier, these people who have joined ISIS are all desperate. They haven't other choice. I don't believe they are so evil to actually approve the barbarism of ISIS. In fact I am glad I haven't heard many Afghans defending Isis or making up excuses for them.

There is a possibility that some will defect to IS due to internal division within the Talibaan. IS ideology could be pursuasive to those who don't know better and they have very effective PR.


Of course they are completely brutal and savagery is one of the pillars of their philosophy. They take the most extreme interpretation of everything and deploy it thinking that the more extreme they are - the more pious.


For example, they have openly stated that there is no difference in ruling between killing combatant and non-combatant. They say that Muslims should kill any kafir in the West if they have an opportunity and will apparently be held accountable if they do not harm someone if they have an opportunity to.


Whats more is this group is nothing but fitnah. Instead of reaching out to other jihadi groups they just declared war on them and make takfir on Muslims who don't give bayah to Baghdadi.


We don't need this filth in Afghanistan and its a wakeup call to organise ourselves before we fall into even more chaos with these kinds of groups emerging.


People probably don't realise what they are all about when joining at first - they are thinking they are really on the haqq and that Allah SWT endorses this group. In fact they are more like a typical cult - with a hidden charismatic leader who claims that salvation goes via him.

[Al-Afghani]

Pakistan will see to it that its proxy forces do not get consumed entirely by Daesh. But they will use it to frighten Taliban, making them run into the arms of ISI like a scared child. Those clever Punjabis have a lot of tricks up their sleeve.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2015/10/26/4-daesh-commanders-reconcile-nangarhar?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Four ISIS commanders surrendered to Kabul govt. As I stated earlier in this thread, people who join ISIS have three choices. Apparently these people chose the most likely option.

[marwat]

IS is droned to hell in Afghanistan and the reason is they are trying to make a power base on the upper side of durand line. but that will not work if they want to engage government. government can collect intel easily and can drone them to oblivion. if they want to engage Afghanistan their headquarter should be on the lower side of the border. they can't engage both the government. it's not a joke.