Kunduz, Afghanistan's 5th largest city seized by Taliban

[Bengal_Tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2lx8uCmxVo

[MENTION=5723]Kushan Prince[/MENTION] [MENTION=17579]Loy Afghanistan[/MENTION] [MENTION=1498]ComradePashtun[/MENTION] [MENTION=8995]DSM0305[/MENTION]

[Talal]

Its curious that even the western media isnt condemning this but rather talking about what allowed Taliban to take this city so easily. They talk about the corruption, human rights abuses and all the crap that is happening under protection from this government, you can CTRL+F in any article for "child rape" and the word Afghan Commander will be next to it, which just tells you about the deplorable state of these protectors of Afghanistan. Wise of them to leg it as soon as these boys showed up, would have been a lot of chopped heads on the pikes.

[Talal]

The counter offensive is not going so well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/wo...m-taliban.html

I am pretty sure they are not even going to bother mounting an offensive unless the Americans make a call on what level of support they are willing to provide.

I am curious about the objectives of Taliban though, they already have acheived their objectives here unless they plan to take the airport as well and then hunker down in the city for long haul. Their numbers suggest otherwise but I do think even they got surprised by how easy this turned out to be.

[khushal]

I am pretty sure they are not even going to bother mounting an offensive unless the Americans make a call on what level of support they are willing to provide.

I am curious about the objectives of Taliban though, they already have acheived their objectives here unless they plan to take the airport as well and then hunker down in the city for long haul. Their numbers suggest otherwise but I do think even they got surprised by how easy this turned out to be.

This was bound to happen. The Taliban had the city blockaded for months now and the only life line was the Airport. If the Airport(lifeline) is taken by the Taliban, the gov will have a very difficult time taking back the city without heavy bombardment that only the Americans can deliver. The ANA soldier lacks the morale to fight as this article and you have already pointed out.

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/people-of-kunduz-like-ramadi-choose-the-least-bad-option-and-surrender-to-jihadists.html/

The lesser of two bad choices is the Taliban and that is backed up by the fact that no locals resisted the taking of their city.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Its curious that even the western media isnt condemning this but rather talking about what allowed Taliban to take this city so easily. They talk about the corruption, human rights abuses and all the crap that is happening under protection from this government, you can CTRL+F in any article for "child rape" and the word Afghan Commander will be next to it, which just tells you about the deplorable state of these protectors of Afghanistan. Wise of them to leg it as soon as these boys showed up, would have been a lot of chopped heads on the pikes.

Western media/world does not give a FU'CK about Pashtun life's or sand noggers and other africans/asians etc. Just like majority of us does not give a damn about them. Their elites only wants profit and to get hands of the rich minerals, oil and other raw resources they can find. And their dumb citizens just want watch Idol, Kim Kardashian ass, have food on the table and be dumb as usual. Majority of world citizens are brainwashed somehow. Western people are brainwashed through false media, history education, and hook into alcohol, drugs, sex, fashion, video games and other sick entertainments. Our people are brainwashed through mullas, hook on opium and dreaming all day to just come to Jannah or making their parents dream come true (which is not bad to give happiness to your parents. Both elites are using these ordinary poor people with weak souls and no clear goals.

Dumb fat americunts are sent to die for their elites and poor Afghan souls kills their own people for their own elites.

As for I want unity for all pure Pashtuns so these kind of nonsenses will not happened in the future. Because every sane pure Pashtun will know hurting pure Pashtuns is like hurting their own family/species and future grandchildren. With proper education we can save our remaining pure people from downfall.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Taliban governor, Mullah Abdul Salam was interviewed by Taliban media wing after he was declared dead by NDS.

The interview is on Talibans official website.

[khushal]

It seems like the Gov is going to abandon the Airport in Kunduz.
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/taliba...cles+by+Author)

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Th airport is protected because it is where foreign forces are housed. All other military posts are abandoned. Soldiers dumped their weapons and escaped.

I think the reason why the city fell so easy is because leaders in the Afghan armed forces want to pressurize their Western backers to send troops and money.

Withrawal of foreign forces is bad for their job security, their economy and even long term security.

The current regime consists of people who don't have any convictions. They are all opportunists who are after the money.

They have the exact same mentality as spoiled little children. They fail because they know, there is someone tho clean up their mess.

Kunduz is a mess, and they don't want to clean it up. The more bad news from Kunduz, the better for certain people in Kabul. Because this is an excellent opportunity to demand for more money and more assistance.

[marwat]

there is something more to this whole scenario, it's not like the talib can come and roll over the big cities in day light while the US fund the army.
while kunduz governor is on the run for obvious reason, and there were widespread rumors of spies, fifth pillers and double agents with in the government all over the news recently. there is something very fishy

[Khostai]

Th airport is protected because it is where foreign forces are housed. All other military posts are abandoned. Soldiers dumped their weapons and escaped.

I think the reason why the city fell so easy is because leaders in the Afghan armed forces want to pressurize their Western backers to send troops and money.

Withrawal of foreign forces is bad for their job security, their economy and even long term security.

The current regime consists of people who don't have any convictions. They are all opportunists who are after the money.

They have the exact same mentality as spoiled little children. They fail because they know, there is someone tho clean up their mess.

Kunduz is a mess, and they don't want to clean it up. The more bad news from Kunduz, the better for certain people in Kabul. Because this is an excellent opportunity to demand for more money and more assistance.

Nope the army is just full of cowards and weak unskilled men with low moral. What do you expect from men who abuse young boys. I hope taliban will retake whole of Afghanistan, Afghans deserve them. Especialy the ones in the north.

I hate taliban to the core, but at least they are really racist towards other minorities and will band farsi and tajiks bacha baz culture....

[Khostai]

there is something more to this whole scenario, it's not like the talib can come and roll over the big cities in day light while the US fund the army.
while kunduz governor is on the run for obvious reason, and there were widespread rumors of spies, fifth pillers and double agents with in the government all over the news recently. there is something very fishy

This is the result of leting Afghanistan for 14 years in the hands of farsibans.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Latest reports suggest that the ongoing Operation Retake is succesful. Taliban media outlets are silent. I think govt blocked internet in Kunduz.

Special forces are advancing towards Kunduz city and Sher Khan Bandar.

Taliban may be leaving again.

As I said earlier, Taliban aren't staying in Kunduz. They will probably retreat back to Imam Sahib and other rural areas.

I fear for Pashtuns in Kunduz. The predominantly Tajik armed forces are led by Northern Alliance fascists. They will use this opportunity to summarily execute Pashtuns and claim they have killed Taliban.

[khushal]

I'm reading reports that the Taliban had breached the Airport but were pushed back by US special ops.

[Insight]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ob...rticle/2573129


Obama won't adjust troops after Afghan city falls


By Nicole Duran (@Duranni1) • 9/30/15 3:15 PM





President Obama is not prepared to end the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan just because the Taliban has captured Kunduz, the country's sixth-largest city, a White House spokesman said on Wednesday.
"[W]e have always warned against the inclination to essentially make snap decisions on policy almost literally overnight," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said when asked if Obama would heed requests to leave a larger force in place in Afghanistan longer that scheduled.
"And so that's why we're going to continue to monitor the efforts by the Afghan government and Afghan security forces to retake Kunduz, and that will factor into a longer-term assessment of the conditions on the ground, which will influence longer-term policy decisions that the president will have to make," Earnest said.
"[W]hen accounting these decisions in the past, when it comes to our military commitment to Afghanistan, [Obama] has routinely noted that the conditions on the ground influence that policy process," Earnest added.

There are approximately 6,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, but Obama has promised to reduce the force to just a small presence at the U.S. embassy in Kabul by the time he leaves office.
Earnest would not say whether U.S. commanders have formally recommended leaving behind a large troop contingent.
U.S.-led forces have conducted airstrikes "primarily for the purposes of force protection" in Kunduz and "are providing advisory support" to Afghan forces trying to retake the city, Earnest said.

[khushal]

Here is a 1988 New York Times Article about the fall of Kunduz after the Soviets withdrew:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/15/world/a-big-afghan-town-is-seized-by-rebels.html

A BIG AFGHAN TOWN IS SEIZED BY REBELS
By BILL KELLER, Special to the New York Times
Published: August 15, 1988


MOSCOW, Aug. 14— The commander of Soviet forces in Afghanistan said today that Afghan guerrillas had for the first time seized control of a major town, but he said his troops would not reverse their withdrawal to help recapture it.

The remarks by the commander, Lieut. Gen. Boris V. Gromov, reported tonight by the official Tass press agency, were the clearest signal to date that Moscow considers its withdrawal from Afghanistan irreversible despite the evidently precarious position of the clients they leave behind.

General Gromov also said Moscow had met Monday's deadline for withdrawal of half its 100,000 troops, the first major milestone in the Geneva peace accords.

He said ''not a single Soviet soldier'' remained in 25 of Afghanistan's 31 provinces, and he vowed that the rest would return home by the final deadline, Feb. 15.

Western diplomats said that they believed that the withdrawal was moving on schedule and that there was now little doubt it would be completed on time.

General Gromov, who spoke at a news conference in Kabul, the Afghan capital, confirmed that Moslem guerrillas had seized Kunduz, a northern provincial capital 40 miles south of the Soviet border, shortly after Soviet troops pulled out of the province on Friday.

''After the departure of Soviet troops, the situation deteriorated,'' he said.

Asked about reports in the West that the guerrillas controlled the city and surrounding localities, the general said, ''We possess nearly the same information.''

The Moslem forces are believed to control large areas of the countryside and have staged rocket attacks against Kabul, but the fall of Kunduz marks the first time the Soviets have admitted the defeat of a provincial capital.

General Gromov predicted that the Afghan Army would regain control of the town, but he added that Soviet forces ''are not taking part and will not take part in combat actions in Kunduz Province.''

''Blood is being shed there,'' the general said, blaming complacency by local Afghan leaders for the defeat.

The general characterized the military situation in the country as ''difficult,'' but praised the combat readiness of Afghan troops. Air Support Ruled Out

According to Tass, he firmly ruled out any chance that some Soviet units would remain in the country after Feb. 15 or that the Soviet Air Force would lend support from bases on Soviet territory.

According to Western diplomats here, the Soviets have complained privately that Afghan officials, alarmed by the strength of the guerrillas, have tried to slow the Soviet departure.

Last week the Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard A. Shevardnadze, visited Kabul and apparently left little doubt that Moscow is committed to its withdrawal timetable.

The withdrawal is regarded here as an important triumph for Mikhail S. Gorbachev. It relieves a major source of domestic tension, and is touted by top officials here as proof of ''new thinking'' on foreign policy.

At the same time, Moscow has sought to broaden its nonmilitary ties to Afghanistan, reaching out to non-Communists in the Kabul Government and offering a sweeping new economic aid package to assure that the Soviet Union maintains some leverage with its southern neighbor after the withdrawal. Concessions Are Urged

Mr. Shevardnadze has also tried to nudge Najibullah, the Afghan leader, toward political concessions that might produce a coalition government and help prevent a takeover by Islamic fundamentalists.

Soviet television tonight broadcast an excerpt from an interview with Mr. Najibullah, in which he appealed for world pressure on the guerrillas to seek a political settlement.

Sounding more beleaguered than he has in the past, the Afghan leader said, ''We are ready to accept any well-intentioned assistance in achieving a domestic settlement, but roughshod diktat, and especially military interference in settlement of these issues, is unacceptable.''

The Chief of Staff of the Afghan Army, Col. Gen. Shah Nawaz Tanai, in an interview with the official Bakhtyar press agency, struck a more defiant note, declaring that his army was strong enough to defend the country without Soviet help.

''We can state with confidence that the army of the republic is capable of dealing blows at any enemy and in any conditions,'' he said.

Soviet experts have not all been so optimistic.

In an interview last month with the weekly magazine Ogonyok, Maj. Gen. Kim M. Tsagalov, a veteran military adviser in Afghanistan, said the Afghan Army could not be counted on to keep control after the Soviet troops left. Infighting in Regime Cited

General Tsagalov, citing infighting within the Afghan regime, predicted that Islamic fundamentalists would make a strong bid for power and might succeed.

The article reportedly brought an anguished protest from Kabul. The Soviet Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying it did not agree with General Tsagalov's criticism of the ruling party, but did not specifically refute his assessment of the military situation.

Moscow has issued almost daily accusations that Pakistan is violating the Geneva peace agreement by permitting guerrilla supplies to cross Pakistani territory, but the Soviets have stopped short of threatening to stop or reverse the withdrawal in retaliation.

The United States has continued to ship large amounts of military supplies into Afghanistan through Pakistan, but American officials contend this flow of aid does not violate the agreement because Moscow continues to ship military supplies to Kabul.

The United States proposed a mutual cutoff of military aid as part of the Geneva agreements signed in April, but Moscow refused, pleading longstanding commitments to Kabul.