Kunduz, Afghanistan's 5th largest city seized by Taliban

[Insight]

^almost 30 years ago , except this time there is only one insurgent group- the Taliban whereas before there were many.



What was said today by Kabul regime interior minister:

Sediq Sediqqi, a spokesperson for Afghanistan’s interior minister, said: “This is a huge blow for the Taliban. It proves Afghan special forces are elite fighters who can win battles," according to the BBC.'

What was said 30 years ago by Tanai:


''We can state with confidence that the army of the republic is capable of dealing blows at any enemy and in any conditions,'' he said.


LOL

[khushal]

And then here is the parallel: Then and Now:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/31/world/moscow-criticized-on-afghan-accord.html

MOSCOW CRITICIZED ON AFGHAN ACCORD
By ROBERT PEAR, Special to the New York Times
Published: August 31, 1988


WASHINGTON, Aug. 30— The United States said today that the Soviet Union had violated the Geneva accords on Afghanistan by sending aircraft from Soviet territory to bomb guerrilla positions inside Afghanistan.

It was the first time the United States had accused the Soviets of violating the accords, which were signed in April. There was no immediate Soviet response to the charges.

The State Department said the Soviets had broken their commitments under the Geneva agreements to ''refrain from any form of interference and intervention in the internal affairs'' of Afghanistan.

Phyllis E. Oakley, deputy to the State Department spokesman, said that Soviet bombers hit guerrilla positions in Kunduz, near the Soviet border, in the last two weeks. State Department officials said the Soviets were trying to prevent the Afghan Government from suffering the embarrassment of losing a provincial capital to the guerrillas just a few days after Soviet troops had withdrawn from the town. 'Soviet Aircraft'

''It's clear that aerial bombardment has been an element of the regime's efforts to retake Kunduz, and we believe that Soviet aircraft have been involved in these bombing runs,'' Mrs. Oakley said. ''The use of the Soviet aircraft coming from inside the Soviet Union is a violation of the Geneva accords.''

The United States has filed a complaint with the United Nations mission monitoring compliance with the Afghan accords. American officials said they hoped that the United Nations team would investigate the charges and would call on the Soviets to avoid any repetition of bombing raids.

The officials said they believed that the Soviets would often be tempted to attack the guerrillas as Soviet forces complete their withdrawal from Afghanistan, leaving the Kabul Government exposed to guerrilla offensives. Ground Troops Involved

The Soviets have also dispatched ground troops from Kabul to reoccupy the garrison they vacated in Kunduz early this month, State Department officials said. It was apparently the first time that the Soviets had lost and then retaken a garrison, the officials said.

Such redeployment of troops inside Afghanistan does not violate the Geneva accords, the officials said.

The battle for Kunduz illustrates the military and political problems that the Soviets will face if they keep their promise to withdraw their troops from Afghanistan by Feb. 15. State Department officials have predicted that the Afghan Government will collapse soon after the last Soviet troops pull out. Complaints Against Pakistan

Afghanistan has filed scores of complaints against Pakistan, charging violations of the Geneva accords, but State Department officials said neither the Soviet Union nor any other country had made a formal complaint against the United States. Soviet and Afghan officials contend that Pakistan has violated the accords by continuing to ship weapons to the Afghan guerrillas.

Pakistan has been the main conduit for such weapons, which originate in the United States and in other countries supporting the guerrillas.

The Kabul Government says it controls Kunduz. Mrs. Oakley said fighting continued in and around the city.

Soviet forces left the garrison at Kunduz just before the Aug. 15 deadline set under the Geneva accords for withdrawal of half of the estimated 115,000 Soviet troops in Afghanistan. Guerrillas then seized the town, American officials said, and the Soviets then conducted air strikes, apparently from bases just inside Soviet borders. HEAVY FIGHTING IN KUNDUZ

KABUL, Afghanistan, Aug. 30 (Special to The New York Times) - Between 3,000 and 4,000 Government troops have flown to Kunduz and are engaged in intense fighting with guerrilla forces, diplomats said today.

The diplomats said that most of the troops had been flown from Kabul to Kunduz and that they were locked in fighting around the city and near the airport. The troops were largely from the Presidential Guard in Kabul.
The Afghan Government is sending at least five flights a day to the city to supply its troops with food and ammunition, Westerner officials said.

Several key Government officials, including the Provincial Party Secretary, Abdul Samad Poya, have reportedly been removed from their jobs in the aftermath of the fighting in Kunduz and the initial seizure of the city by the rebels less than two weeks ago.

[Al-Afghani]

The Amnesty International said Thursday that the Taliban militants have committed gang rapes and mass murders in northern Kunduz province of Afghanistan.

http://www.khaama.com/taliban-militants-committed-gang-rapes-and-mass-murders-in-kunduz-1592

I hope these reports are false or else the cycle of violence will continue.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Most people in Kunduz say they didn't do anything to the people.

The report of amnesty is based on reports of Shiites and panjsheri activists.

[HalloIsBack]

ai is one sided and has always certain aim

[HalloIsBack]

Most people in Kunduz say they didn't do anything to the people.

The report of amnesty is based on reports of Shiites and panjsheri activists.

they are pro iran and not jsut agaisnt taliban but against pashtuns

[Insight]

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...ghan-north.php


Taliban overruns another 2 districts in Afghan north

By Bill Roggio | October 2nd, 2015 | admin@longwarjournal.org | @billroggio
As fighting in the city of Kunduz continues, the Taliban seized two more districts in the Afghan north.`The district of Wardoj, which has switched hands in the past, and Baharak were overrun during Taliban assaults over the past two days, the jihadist group and Afghan officials reported.
The Taliban said it “launched coordinated attacks on enemy positions” in the district yesterday morning, which culminated in the capture of the district center, the administration center, and dozens of bases and outposts. The claim was published on Voice of Jihad, the Taliban’s official website.
The Taliban claimed it killed 50 Afghan security personnel while losing three of its own fighters, and captured “2 APCs [armored personnel carriers, likely Humvees], 2 pickup trucks, a ZPU-1 gun, 3 Dshk heavy machine guns, 2 mortar tubes and a sizable amount of other arms and ammunition.” The Taliban routinely inflate the number of Afghan personnel killed during an engagement.
Dawlat Mohammad Khawar, the district governor for Wardoj, “confirmed that the Afghan security forces have retreated from Wardoj following hours of gun battle with the Taliban militants,” Khaama Press reported.
Additionally, the Taliban overran the Baharak district in Badakhsan. “On Friday Mujahideen stormed the district and after intense fighting with the enemy and soon seized control of the district as well as overrunning a number of the checkpoints based near the district headquarters for the security arrangements,” the Taliban stated on Voice of Jihad.
Badakhshan has become increasingly unstable over the past several years. Both the Taliban and the allied Islamic Jihad Union have been active in Badakhshan. The district of Yamgan is said to be under Taliban control since late June 2015, while the districts of Argo, Jurm, and Kishim are considered to be contested.
Wardoj and Baharak are the latest districts to fall to the Taliban since the provincial capital of Kunduz was overrun on Sept. 28. The Taliban has seized 10 districts in five provinces (Wardoj and Baharak in Badakhshan; Khak-e-Safid in Farah; Khwaja Ghar, Yangi Qala, Ishkamish, and Bangi districts in Takhar; Khanabad and Qala-i-Zal in Kunduz; and Talaw Barfak in Baghlan), as well as the provincial capital of Kunduz in the span of span of five days.
Bill Roggio is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and the Editor of The Long War Journal.

[Khostai]

The Amnesty International said Thursday that the Taliban militants have committed gang rapes and mass murders in northern Kunduz province of Afghanistan.

http://www.khaama.com/taliban-militants-committed-gang-rapes-and-mass-murders-in-kunduz-1592

I hope these reports are false or else the cycle of violence will continue.

I think its false, you can not commit mass murder in just 3 days. And rape is something that is commonly used by NA, they did that during the communist regime and blamed the Russians for it.

[Khostai]

^almost 30 years ago , except this time there is only one insurgent group- the Taliban whereas before there were many.



What was said today by Kabul regime interior minister:

Sediq Sediqqi, a spokesperson for Afghanistan’s interior minister, said: “This is a huge blow for the Taliban. It proves Afghan special forces are elite fighters who can win battles," according to the BBC.'

What was said 30 years ago by Tanai:


''We can state with confidence that the army of the republic is capable of dealing blows at any enemy and in any conditions,'' he said.


LOL

Old regime fel was not due to mudjahids fighting but due to the world boycoting the country and the only suporter, USSR also stoped giving suplies.
If the old regime had the backing of today Kabul goverment this Kunduz drama would have never happend.

[randolph85]

Old regime fel was not due to mudjahids fighting but due to the world boycoting the country and the only suporter, USSR also stoped giving suplies.
If the old regime had the backing of today Kabul goverment this Kunduz drama would have never happend.

But is happening and with even stronger support than Najib had, not to mention foreign boots on the ground and air power who say they are going nowhere unlike the Soviets who left completely, no contingency force or air power.

[khushal]

Taliban Commanders At Kunduz Once Jailed By Pakistan

Taliban commanders at Kunduz were once jailed by Pakistan

Released 3 years ago in an effort to persuade Mullah Omar to talk peace

Peace talks were derailed by news Omar had died 2 years ago

Commanders’ fates unknown; Afghan intelligence says one was killed
Fighting was still raging Saturday in Kunduz, Afghanistan, as Afghan security forces routed the last of the Taliban fighters who’d overrun the city on Monday. A U.S. bombing strike on a Doctors Without Borders hospital in the city killed 19 people during the fighting.
Fighting was still raging Saturday in Kunduz, Afghanistan, as Afghan security forces routed the last of the Taliban fighters who’d overrun the city on Monday. A U.S. bombing strike on a Doctors Without Borders hospital in the city killed 19 people during the fighting. Dehsabzi AP
BY TOM HUSSSAIN
McClatchy Foreign Staff

Mullah Abdul Salam Akhund was the first of nine Afghan Taliban cabinet ministers arrested by Pakistan’s security services in early 2010 as part of a CIA-driven crackdown.

Akhund, the Taliban’s shadow governor for Kunduz, was released three years later, along with most of the other detainees, so that they could persuade Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban leader, to engage in peace talks with the United States and Afghan governments.

The Taliban’s former foreign minister, Mullah Mohammed Hassan, also was released.

The two veteran militants now have something else in common: they were in charge of the Taliban forces that overran the strategic northern Afghan city of Kunduz last week. Afghan forces eventually retook the town, but the assault culminated in the apparent American bombing of the local hospital, killing at least 19 people.

Afghanistan’s premier intelligence agency, the National Directorate of Security, claimed last week that Akhund had been killed in a U.S.-led NATO air strike on Kunduz, but the Taliban’s spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, has denied the report.

A former Taliban minister, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hassan was the deputy commander in Kunduz.

The release of Akhund and Hassan was part of a diplomatic maneuver that led to the opening last year of a Taliban representative office in Doha, the capital of the Persian Gulf emirate of Qatar. Taliban officials based there have since been at the forefront of diplomatic exchanges, leading up to the first direct talks in August between the insurgents and the Afghan government, held at the Murree hillside resort near Islamabad.

But a scheduled second round of talks in Pakistan was hurriedly canceled on July 31, after the Afghan government announced that Mullah Omar, the Taliban’s founder, had died two years earlier.

The fighting at Kunduz has proved a public relations coup for the man named to succeed Omar, Mullah Akhtar Mansoor and defied predictions by Afghan President Ashraf Ghani that Omar’s death would mean the demise of the insurgency.

Kunduz was the first city to be retaken by the militants since U.S.-led multinational forces invaded Afghanistan 11 years ago.


Battle-weary residents of Kunduz seek help
Reuters

By leading the assault, Akhund and Hassan have delivered a “PR coup” for the new Taliban chief, according to Jan Achakzai, a Pakistani politician well connected with the Taliban.

“The fall of Kunduz boosted Taliban morale . . . .and marked the extended tactical power base of the militants from south-southeast to north Afghanistan,” Jan Achakzai, a former spokesman for the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam, a Pakistani political party with close ties to the Taliban

A former Taliban minister, speaking on condition of anonymity, told McClatchy the effort to seize Kunduz represented a new phase in Taliban operations.

“Until Kunduz, we were fighting a defensive guerrilla war,” he said. “Now we will incessantly be on the offensive, to take more and more territory.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...#storylink=cpy

[Khostai]

But is happening and with even stronger support than Najib had, not to mention foreign boots on the ground and air power who say they are going nowhere unlike the Soviets who left completely, no contingency force or air power.

yes thats what I say, its happening becuase the current goverment is full of pedo incompetent perverted NA and tajiks.