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**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-27-2015, 07:46 PM

German re-unification.

German is an advanced capitalist state but the cost of re-unifying with the former east Germany (an artificial state which lasted for 4 decades) is estimated by some to have cost $2 trillion or $100 billion a year.

Even today there are cultural differences between the two sets of Germans with the west Germans viewing the east Germans as lazy and the east Germans viewing the west Germans as arrogant.

Yemen is an entity which is not 4 decades old but thousands of years old with ancient civilizations such as the Himyarite empire, the Sabaean empire.

Unlike the east Germans, the Yemenis have guns and lots of them.

Guns in Yemen.

Iran diverting Saudi resources in to Yemen.

- If Saudi successfully annexed Yemen (highly unlikely) then Saudi Arabia would have to spend billions more dollars each year in feeding, clothing, providing jobs, hospitals, schools for the 24 million Yemenis.

The population of the new "Saudi Arabia (+annexed Yemen)" would be 53 million, which is much more than Iraq.

Iraq had lots of oil but due to the large population never became as wealth as any of the GCC states.

The billions spent on trying to prop up Yemen would mean the Iranians would benefit on the Saudis being able to spend less money on defence.

The fact is Saudi annexation of Yemen would never work because the Yemenis are a proud and distinct people who due to their geography are very different to the bedouin Arabs of the interior of the peninsula in Najd and Hijaz.

Thousands of years of Yemeni identity could never be erased.

In addition to having to provide the ever expanding Saudi population with jobs, good standards of living, keeping the 2 million + Saudi Shias happy, the secular liberal sector of society happy, preventing any major sense of resentment in the Hejaz about Najdi domination the Saudis would then have to deal with 24 million Yemenis.

Yemenis have no desire to be invaded and conquered by Saudi Arabia but even if they did (which is totally ridiculous) and their average GDP per increased by ten times and went to $10,000 per person, people in Saudi proper would be twice as rich as them.

Also Saudi Arabia's Shia population (Zaydi + Jafari) would become around 10 million minimum.

How can Saudi Arabia control 10 million Shias if they rebel?

Saudi Arabian Shias riot in Qatif. Qatifi Shias do not have guns, Yemeni Shias do.

In some ways Saudi Arabia trying to annex Yemen is the ideal thing which the Iranians could hope for.

Ever since Saudi was created, Yemen has been independent and this has caused no problems for Saudi.

For decades Syria has been pro-Iran and this has not caused any major problems for Saudi.

It is only Saudi adventurism which has caused the Syria crisis but if the middle east reverted to its pre-2011 status, Saudi would be fine.

Pakistan a failed state and a defeated and disgraced military.

The fact is taking advice from losers like the Pakistani military (defence.pk) is ridiculous.

1. - The Pakistani military caused the loss of half of the country in 1971 due to repressing their own civilian population in the eastern wing, and suffering a humiliating defeat and mass surrender.

2. - The Pakistani military is not in full control of its own country including parts of Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

3. - The Pakistani military is the supreme ruler of a country which after 70 years of rule has 41 million people without toilets and 2 million slaves apart from constant terrorist attacks.

The Pakistan army led Pakistan to ruin and humiliation in 1971.

Pakistani armies surrender in independent Bangladesh in 1971. The 90,000 Pakistani force's surrender is the biggest mass surrender in modern history.

Their "advice" should be avoided by the Saudi government at any costs.

The Saudi government should allow the Houthis the "fun" of governing 24 million armed tribal Yemenis as they can never amass Yemeni public support for a war or attacks against Saudi Arabia, whereas if Saudi occupies Yemen the whole of Yemen (all 24 million bar a few) could turn against them and see the Houthis as part of a wider national liberation movement.

Letting the Houthis trying to provide jobs for the 24 million Yemenis and raising their living standards is much better.

Shia dominated Iraq has never attacked Saudi despite having a far stronger army and being majority Shia, mainly Sunni Yemen even with a Houthi-dominated government and far poorer than Iraq with a far inferior military will never attack Saudi.

The Pakistan army lost half the country in 1971 it should not ruin Saudi Arabia too.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-27-2015, 08:04 PM

By the way there are quite a few parallels between Saudi Arabia + Yemen and Pakistan + Afghanistan.

The ratio of Afghans to Pakistanis is much less i.e. there are 6 times more Pakistanis than Afghans, but there is no way that Afghans would ever accept being ruled by Pakistanis.

There is a widespread sentiment in Pakistan now that its involvement in Afghanistan has devastated the country (Pakistan) heavily.

Afghans who are 6 times less numerous than Pakistanis would never accept rule by nuclear power Pakistan.

Yemenis who have almost the same amount of population as Saudi would never accept rule by Saudi, a country whose government does not even trust its national army fully and creates a "national guard" as a counter to the army.

The Saudis need to avoid getting too involved in Yemen, and a myopic intoxication with the power of their weaponry.

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**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-27-2015, 08:38 PM

Comment by a poster on the Financial times.

It took the Omani army with help from British BAT teams five years to drive Southern Yemeni insurgents from the Southern Mountains of Oman back over their border between 1970 and 1975. That was a strip of mountains about 200km by 25 km. The terrain and the Yemenis were very similar to that which the Saudi's are up against now. Bad decision by someone in the Kingdom....

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I seriously doubt Iran cares about Yemen or, until recently, had even heard of the Houthis. It's pure opportunism to distract and impose costs on Saudi - and its working.
For Iran the main event is Iraq - maintaining influence there is critical (more so than Syria or Lebanon) so you're sort of right, their resources will be used elsewhere.
But the idea that the 1000 year old Houthis from that benighted country are going to dissappear due to air power smacks of American overconfidence - Yemen is intrinsically divided, the Houthis are strong on their home turf in the mountains, there are two guys pretending to be president and Saudi can't occupy the place as it has Bahrain.
Yemen was two countries 25 years ago and has been a failed state for most of the time since that merger.
That isn't going to change when Iran withdraws the paltry resources it has recently put into Yemen.
Yemen is a mess for years to come.

I agree with this.

Iraq and Syria are far more important to Iran than Yemen which is very much secondary. In fact it's not even secondary, less important than that.

However if the Iranians sucker the Saudis in to getting stuck in to a quagmire in Vietnam and weakening the Saudis militarily, politically, and financially with all the military, political and financial resources they have to use on Yemen (when it could be used in Syria, Iraq) the Iranians will be happy.

Iran's foreign minister.

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/50a5d80a-d467-11e4-9bfe-00144feab7de.html#axzz3VdEzWvU0

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-28-2015, 09:02 AM

Yemen campaign key test for Saudi Arabia

By Michael Stephens

Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), Doha
27 March 2015

People search for survivors under the rubble of houses destroyed by Saudi airstrikes near Sanaa Airport, Yemen, Thursday, 26 March 2015

A Saudi-led coalition launched air strikes after rebels closed in on President Hadi's stronghold

The decision by King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to order airstrikes against Houthi rebels is the most important foreign policy decision undertaken by the House of Saud since revolutions swept across the Arab world four years ago.
Reports indicate that the Saudis have mobilised as many as 150,000 troops to their southern border primarily for the purpose of homeland defence, but also clearly to afford the kingdom the option to stage a ground war should it so choose.

Whether such a ground intervention will come is as yet unclear, but the kingdom has decisively played its hand against the Houthis, and in the process dramatically upped the stakes in a regional power struggle with Iran which now involves Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain and Yemen.
Saudi Arabia's major foreign policy decisions are usually the product of consensus among top princes, and the Yemen operation is no exception.
Indeed, had the previous King Abdullah still been alive he would almost certainly have come to the same conclusion.

Ordering airstrikes was a momentous foreign policy decision for King Salman
Nevertheless, this is a real test for the new king, and failure to achieve Saudi Arabia's aim of reinstating ousted President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi would be an embarrassing defeat.

Failure is not an option, in particular for the king's 34-year-old son Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who as minister of defence is serving in his first senior post in government.

The risks for the young man are great.

His cousin Prince Khalid bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud launched what is widely regarded as a failed operation in Yemen in 2009, and his career has never fully recovered, with the one-time shoo-in for minister of defence seeing his portfolio dim dramatically.

Although Prince Mohammed is secure in his post, the problems would begin if his aging father were to pass away - the Byzantine world of Saudi court politics would be unlikely to forgive a failed Yemeni operation.

Prince Mohammed (right) received Mr Hadi in Saudi Arabia after the president fled Yemen.

The young prince must ensure that he gets this right. The stakes are high.
It is unlikely that the kingdom is looking to involve itself in a protracted conflict.

Saudi troops marching into Yemen have found it tough going since 1934. Logistics and supply lines are hard to maintain, and Yemenis know their rugged terrain better than any foreigner.

Leverage

An extended occupation of the country would be disastrously costly both financially and in terms of lives, even if the Houthi insurgency was militarily defeated.

The question is what does Saudi Arabia seek to achieve through the use of military force.

Air strikes alone will not be enough to defeat the Houthis, and a long term military operation would stretch Saudi operating capacity thin.

Air strikes have targeted arms depots and the Houthi movement's leaders
The message from Riyadh also leaves no doubt that the Saudis seek a negotiated settlement in which President Hadi brings together Yemen's different constituencies, including the Houthis, to work out a fairer constitutional settlement.

This could include a fairer distribution of provinces, and possibly more autonomy for Yemen's south where agitation from separatists is growing larger by the day.

Additionally, it is important to understand whether Saudi Arabia seeks a solution in Yemen with the hope of affecting affairs elsewhere in the Arab world.

Could for example, a political deal in which the Houthis are on the backfoot in Sanaa be used as leverage against the Iranians in Syria to force President Bashar al-Assad to step down from power or allow greater Sunni political influence in Baghdad?

Iranian support

It is a long shot but given current regional dynamics the Saudis will be looking to push all of the pressure points they can get against Iran and its allies.

Iran's position on Yemen is also quite clear - it seeks a political solution in Yemen that does not involve long term conflict and in which its allies, the Houthis, are given a seat at the table.

But should this not be possible the hardliners in Tehran would like nothing more than to see the Saudis bogged down in a conflict that they cannot hope to win.

Although Iran's logistical and diplomatic support to the Houthis has been fairly limited, the level of the military response in Riyadh shows that the Iranians clearly have the Saudis rattled, for far less time and money than the Saudis expended in Syria to force Iran's hand.

Houthis have vowed to fight on in the face of the Saudi-led campaign

In a conflict in which no side has indicated that it seeks anything other than a diplomatic solution, it seems odd that the risk for protracted conflict is so high.
However, the Houthis do not look to be backing down.
Houthi leader Abdul Malik al-Houthi indicated in a televised address shortly after the airstrikes began that all foreign invaders would be resisted.

Danger

The hope is that while the Houthis talk tough, that they understand that they are not welcomed by the local population and by tribal confederations across large swathes of Yemen, particularly in the north east and south west of the country.

So whether the Houthis like it or not, they will have to compromise.
The danger is that Yemen could descend into a fractured and long term war, which drags in the region's main players and gives additional space for al-Qaeda and Islamic State (IS) to exploit.

To avoid such a scenario, much depends on the ability of all parties to come out of this conflict without appearing to have lost face.
Because, if the Syria example is anything to go by, a war will continue indefinitely until all parties feel they have more to gain from talking and compromising than they do from fighting.

Michael Stephens is Research Fellow for Middle East studies and Head of RUSI Qatar (Twitter: @MStephensGulf)

Yemen campaign key test for Saudi Arabia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32091835

Saudi Arabia is leading air strikes against Houthi rebels but the conflict in Yemen will not be easy to solve, says Michael Stephens of Rusi

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-28-2015, 09:17 AM

This article is good, a couple of points:

1. Saudi using Yemen as leverage against Iran on Syria is nonsense.

Syria is far, far more important to Iran than Yemen is, which the Khomeneist regime has never had any influence in for 30 or so years of its existence.

Syria is needed to support the Shia community in Lebanon next door who are used as leverage against Israel.

Yemen has very little real importance for Iran and they have gone by for years, decades without it.

2. Other than that a very good article grounded in reality in complete contrast to the ravings of an internet fanboy (albeit with very important links to Pakistani and thus Saudi militaries) from notorious troll site defence.pk.

The military mind loves the usage of weapons and power. Rather than weaponry remaining unused and stagnant, the military commander loves to finally one day unleash his arsenal and to feel good.

A commander who has never fought in a war is not a "real" commander akin to a trainee football player who has never played in a full professional match.

Only once has he fought in a war does he feel he is actually a real general.

The Pakistan military is a bloodthirsty one which believes in raw violence and brute force to resolve issues as we saw in 1971.

What are the results?

- Loss of half of the country in 1971.

- A country known to the rest of the world as the epicentre of terrorism, with regular terrorist attacks from the Peshawar school massacre to the slaughter of Christians in Lahore.

Terrorist attack in Pakistan, Lahore.

There can be no military solution to the Yemeni conflict, only a political one in which Saudi Arabian borders are secure. There is very little threat to them anyway as the Houthis could never conquer Saudi Arabia and everyone would see this as aggression and terrorism, whereas if Saudi does too much in Yemen, Yemenis and others will see this as invasion and Saudi "imperialism".

My proposals

1. Saudi Arabia allows a Houthi backed government in Yemen for a little while e.g. a year and waits for it to collapse.

This is what the Nasserite Egyptian army did with the "Muslim" Brotherhood.

They disliked Mubarak's son who was planning to become leader of Egypt after Mubarak and was obnoxious, and to a lesser extent Mubarak, so they allowed demonstrations to remove him. They allowed a "Muslim" Brotherhood regime in power for a year whilst deliberately sabotaging it in every way possible so it could not govern properly.

The Egyptians got upset and then overthrew Morsi (as per the original game plan of the military) then after a short 1 year gap of military rule, the military re-assumed power in Egypt with the only difference being Sisi in power not Mubarak.

The cunning and crafty general Sisi.

2. Let a Houthi-backed government deal with all of Yemen's many problems.

- Poverty
- Mass unemployment
- Discontent in the heavily sunni South where separatism is growing

Let Iran pump money in to Yemen to keep it afloat.

Let Yemen become Iran's problem and then after the inevitable collapse of a Houthi-backed government and popular hatred of it, let another non-Houthi backed government come back in power.

An invasion and even more ridiculously an "annexation" of Yemen will turn 24 million Yemenis against the foreign Saudi "invader".

**Khostai** · 03-28-2015, 09:39 AM

I will not mind Saudi kingdom to fall apart, those a-holes are responcible for a lot of crimes and terrorism in this world.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-28-2015, 11:49 AM

How Yemen was once Egypt’s Vietnam

By Ishaan Tharoor March 28 at 5:00 AM

On Friday, Yemen's President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi arrived at the Egyptian seaside town of Sharm el-Sheik on a plane from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The smiling Hadi, who was about to attend a session of the Arab League, now presumably feels safer abroad, among his regional counterparts, than he would in Yemen.

Earlier in the week, Hadi was forced to flee the approaching Houthi rebel forces, who had already taken the country's capital Sanaa last year and were now eyeing the southern coastal city of Aden, where Hadi and the tattered remnants of his government had taken sanctuary.

A Saudi-led bombing campaign against the Houthis has escalated what was a civil war into a regional conflagration, pitting the Saudis and a host of Sunni Arab states against the rebel forces marshaled by the Houthis, who have Iranian backing. Egypt already dispatched a number of warships toward Aden; Egyptian officials have talked up the prospects of sending in troops should a ground invasion take place.

If that happens, Egypt would be treading on terrain haunted by the past.

In the 1960s, Egypt entered into a long, costly quagmire in Yemen. The Egyptian president at the time, Gamal Abdel Nasser, a secular autocrat and a champion of pan-Arabism, chose to intervene in Yemen in support of a republican coup led by military officers seeking to oust the country's monarchy in 1962. Nasser himself came to power the decade prior on the back of an officers' coup which overthrew Egypt's fusty constitutional monarchy. Now, he wanted to help a neighboring Arab nation follow in Egypt's mold.

But Saudi Arabia was set against this state of affairs and sought to return Yemen's ruling Imam to the throne, and pumped in arms and money to royalist militias. Ironically, these included many tribesmen from the Shiite Zaydi sect, which now forms the backbone of the Houthi rebellion the Saudis are so desperate to quash.

The tens of thousands of soldiers Egypt sent in as an expeditionary force into Yemen soon found themselves on the front line of a civil war, taking the lead in the defense of Yemeni republicanism. What followed was a long, difficult conflict that ground on for nearly a decade.

According to one historian's account, Yemen proved to be "a hive of wasps" for the Egyptians, who were unable defeat the well-equipped and well-funded royalist forces. The Saudis, Jordanians and the British -- who were still running a colonial protectorate around Aden -- all provided assistance to the royalists. The Egyptians, meanwhile, received tacit support from the Soviet Union.

Western media at the time painted the intervention as a classic blunder in a woebegone, faraway land. Nasser has "lavished ill-spared funds and fighting men on the backward, arid republic of Yemen," wrote Time in 1964.

"In this terrain," the New Republic explained with Orientalist relish in 1963, "the slow-moving Nile Valley peasant has proved a poor match for the barefoot, elusive tribesmen armed only with rifle and jambiya -- the vast, curved, razor-sharp dagger which every male Yemeni wears in his belt."

At the peak of deployments, Nasser committed as many as 70,000 Egyptian soldiers to Yemen. After the war's end in 1970, Yemen remained a republic, but Egypt had paid a terrible price: More than 10,000 Egyptian soldiers died and the country ran up massive war debts. The conflict has been dubbed "Egypt's Vietnam," and is cited as one of the reasons why the Egyptian military suffered such a withering defeat in the Six-Day War with Israel in 1967.

Now, it serves as a cautionary tale more for the Saudis than the Egyptians, whose participation in "Operation Decisive Storm," writes Egyptian blogger Nervana Mahhmoud, "is more a simple acknowledgment that the leadership in Cairo cannot afford to say no to Saudi Arabia." The kingdom has doled out billions of dollars in aid to the government of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, a military officer who threw out the country's elected Islamists in 2013.

"Decisive Storm is not an operation to stabilize Yemen," writes Mahmoud. "It is an operation to restore the Saudis’ eroded pride in the face of Iran’s growing dominance in the region." There's no guarantee, though, that the current Saudi-led offensive will bring about the status quo its royals desire.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/28/how-yemen-was-once-egypts-vietnam/

*The main difference between the current "Decisive Storm" operation and Egypt's disaster in Yemen was that the anti-Egyptian Shia fighters (supported by Saudi at the time) had supplies from Saudi next door.

This time the Houthi militia has no supply line to its main backer Iran and Yemeni air and maritime territory is now under the de facto control of Saudi Arabia i.e. Yemen is sealed.

However even if Saudi Arabia sends a military force to Yemen here are some questions for them and the Pakistani idiots advising them.

1. If they want to reinstate the government of Hadi are they going to send troops to take control of the capital Sana'a?

How are they going to do that by fighting street by street?

Are they going to bomb the heck out of Sana'a thus making Yemenis hate them as a bloodthirsty foreign aggressor?

2. If they are not going to send their troops to Sana'a how far are they going to go?

What will they have achieved if they do not go to San'a?

If the Houthis retain control of San'a then Hadi is not a real effective leader exercising real power.

If the Houthis gain Aden then that just cements Houthi control of Yemen.

If Aden becomes a war zone held by no one then that means Hadi has no real power anyway.

What is the actual point of operation "Decisive Storm"?

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-28-2015, 11:54 AM

Saudi Pakistanophilia.

It seems to me the Saudis are infatuated and in awe of the Pakistanis, there is strong Pakistanophilia amongst the Saudi elite i.e. not any fondness for the poor Pakistani immigrants but for the Pakistani elite.

What I mean is for example there are 15,000 Pakistanis in Saudi prisons.

There are at least 15,000 Pakistanis on death row - arrested on charges of bringing drugs to Saudi Arabia - in Saudi jails.

Just a moment...

http://www.dawn.com/news/1167206

However despite the average Saudi being racist to Pakistani immigrants the Saudi elite are in awe, it seems, of the Pakistani elite (this excludes the poor Pakistani immigrants including the 15,000 Pakistanis on death row in Saudi).

In fact the Saudis have even bullied Bangladesh it seems partly to please Pakistani/Jamaati quarters, on defence.pk the now notorious Yzd Khalifa used to call Bangladeshis "criminals" and "savages" and anti-Bangladeshi propaganda as criminals is common in the gulf media in both Saudi and UAE which (like the racist Yzd Khalifa) cover up and are quiet on the far higher number of Pakistanis involved in crime.

This is because there is a racial hierarchy for these racist Arabs where lighter skinned Pakistanis are considered "more Muslim" and superior to darker Bengalis.

So bad things done by some (we cannot generalize a nation of 200 million) Pakistanis are covered up whilst when Bengalis engage in less crime of a less dangerous it is made a big deal out of due to the racist nature of gulf Arabs.

Ali Al-Ghamdi, a rabid Bangladesh hater and Pakistanophile. Ghamdi is a so-called "expert" on South Asian affairs. For decades this man and other Saudis/Pakistanis/Jamaatis have engaged in propaganda and hostility against Bangladesh.

It is idiots like Ali Al Ghamdi with their love for Pakistan who have lead Saudi Arabia to this situation they are in now.

The Saudis it seems are being encouraged by the Pakistani military to go for a decisive knock out blow to the Houthis in Yemen (even the name of this operation suggests Pakistani influence, and the operation is called "Decisive Storm").

In 1971 the Pakistani army went in to East Pakistan with the same mentality, that they were going to unleash hell and let rip. They went on a rampage of massacre, rape and terror.

This blood bath was to be a decisive message to Bengalis never to incur the wrath of the Pakistani army ever again.

What actually happened was that the Pakistani army had its a*ss whipped and kicked out of Bangladesh forever.

The Pakistani military, which the Saudis look up to for training and other things, it seems is involved heavily in this operation and is urging an all out "decisive" attack on the Houthis.

To repeat.

1. How far in to Yemeni territory will the Saudis go if they do launch a ground offensive?

2. Will they go as far as the capital San'a?

How can they take Sana'a? By street to street fighting?

If they bomb it to ashes, Yemenis will hate them for a century.

3. Do they plan to stay in northern areas close to the Saudi border?

So then what is the point of "Decisive Storm"?

Hadi would not be re-instated as president and Saudi would have failed and humiliated in its stated objective of stabilizing his rule.

Either they take San'a or don't either way they will suffer some sort of humiliation, embarassment.

This is what happens when you listen to the disgraced and humiliated losers of the Pakistan army.

Yahya Khan leader of the Pakistani army in 1971 who was engaged in sex parties, orgies and drinking whilst east Pakistan was in flames and Pakistani soldiers and civilians (Bengalis) were dying.

His army is now "advising" Saudi Arabia and leading it to humiliation in Yemen.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-28-2015, 12:13 PM

This is an example of the daily nonsense you get on that ridiculous hate site, defence.pk (the Pakistani version of Stormfront, the KKK website).

I hope even the Saudis aren't stupid enough too base military/strategic decisions on Pakistani "advisors" with links to that site.

**marwat** · 03-29-2015, 08:21 AM

defence.pk guys licking their assess every time. full of punjabi nationalist who are too hard on indian. arseholers can't digest other views. i remember a guy loy_afghanistan who gave all of them a big ****. he was not even abusive yet banned,all of them sweat to their asses. [MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION]

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-29-2015, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by marwat View Post

defence.pk guys licking their assess every time. full of punjabi nationalist who are too hard on indian. arseholers can't digest other views. i remember a guy loy_afghanistan who gave all of them a big ****. he was not even abusive yet banned,all of them sweat to their asses. [MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION]

1. The original main Pakistani military forum was forum.pakistanidefence.com which was even more extreme than defence.pk and makes defence.pk look "civilized".

Later one of the senior members of forum.pakistanidefence.com, Asim Aquil left them and teamed up with Ahsan Farooqi, the founder of defence.pk.

Asim Aquil carried out a DOS attack on forumpakistanidefence.com and severely damaged the site and helping defence.pk to become the no.1 Pakistani military site.

2. Defence.pk is a propaganda site where articles which are perceived as being damaging to Pakistani military interests or that of their allies (e.g. Turkey) are deleted.

3. The "Bangladesh" sub-forum of that site is dominated by pro-Pakistani Jamaatis such as MBI Munshi, Idune, Al-Zakir, Khair Ctg.

You have a pro-ISIS "Bangladeshi" called Kobiraaz.

A pro-Taliban "Bangladeshi" called M_Saint.

The pro-Pakistani "Bangladeshis" there regularly spread one sided-propaganda against the government and have falsely spread the lie that Bangladesh is an Indian puppet state (nonsense).

This is because they are not happy with Bangladesh being an independent state and want to try and invalidate Bangladesh's independence struggle by claiming Bangladesh is not really independent.

They are aided and supported by the "Moderators" there which include thugs like "Oscar", "Chak Bamu", "Horus" and of course the notorious Ahsan Farooqi himself, including turning a blind eye to violent family abuse of normal Bangladeshis by pro-Pakistan Jamaatis.

Anyway enough about the abuse of Bangladesh on there.

Suffice to say few of the "Bangladeshis" there represent normal Bangladeshis (go to Youtube or facebook to see what normal Bangladeshis think), and nor do they represent the reality of Bangladesh.

4. You have some Pashtuns there. I will be honest from what I know most Pashtuns in Pakistan are pro-Pakistan. That is their choice and a legitimate one and not something I have any right to interfere in.

I am not some propagandist claiming that Pashtuns in Pakistan are dying to separate (not at all).

However in that forum no real discussion of the intra-provincial problems of the different regions of Pakistan are encouraged. Everything is hidden under the carpet under a false "Pakistan Zindabad, Ham saab Pakistaniyoon hoon" (excuse my basic Urdu) unity.

5. Defence.pk Pakistanis hate Afghans and regularly call for their mass expulsion.

In the past there have been calls for nuclear weapons to be used against Waziristan.

In other words the use of nuclear weapons on Pakistani territory against Pakistani Muslims.

Defence.pk nationalists are calling for Pakistan itself to be nuked.

Not Indians, not Afghans but "Pakistanis".

Any articulate Afghan who exposes the corruption of the Pakistani military will probably be banned even if he is polite and respectful.

No serious discussion of the corrupt nature of the Pakistani military is allowed instead the delusional worship and reverence of the Pakistani army is encouraged.

There are far better Pakistan forums/websites out there in comparison to this cheap, uncivilized forum such as "Pak Tea house" of Yasser Latif Hamdani and others.

The whole website is a joke, however it is connected to senior people in the Pakistani military who are the real rulers of Pakistan and high level foreigners have gone there including one high level Saudi thug who used the nick "Yzd Khalifa".

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-29-2015, 07:29 PM

Update:

It seems the Saudis are seeing sense and from what I can gather from my sources they are not thinking of a major military offensive (I could be wrong).

If they however, and do fall for the Iranian trap, they should be aware that they will face a lot of problems.

Not least the stigma of being an "invader", "aggressor" and "occupier" and Iran will be handed a great opportunity to vilify them to the rest of the world including mobilizing Shias all over the world to call for an end to "Saudi occupation" of Yemen.

Just look at the Free Sheikh Nimr campaign.

Nimr is a Shia cleric imprisoned in Saudi.

Berlin.

Berlin.

London.

If Saudi were to invade Yemen, then the social media campaign against them would be far greater and the stigma of being accused of being an "invader" and "occupier" would be great too.

The idiots and morons of defence.pk would not be able to help them, nor would the stupid blood hungry Pakistani officers "advising" them.

The best thing for Saudi to do is to contact Ali Abdullah Saleh and make him form a joint interim government with Hadi and not get trapped in to the Yemen quagmire.

It seems like the Saudi government and military have wisely decided they will refrain from escalating the situation.

I hope I am right.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-31-2015, 08:39 AM

From what I can gather from the media it appears there will be a Saudi invasion.

Who knows what will happen.

I just hope they don't take people from defence.pk seriously. It's a notorious and ridiculous troll site with lots of nonsense, lies and morons.

Another example:

**Bengal_Tiger** · 04-02-2015, 01:55 PM

A Pakistan poster pointed out the war crimes of the Pakistani army against Muslims, this was a response to him.

The Pakistan army has successfully indoctrinated millions to give it blind, unconditional love amounting almost to a form of worship.

Rather than as a government body tasked with defending borders it is virtually worshipped as the embodiment of Pakistan itself.

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