Five men are executed in Afghanistan for gang rape

[DaZahroJaam.]

Authorities in Afghanistan have executed five men convicted of gang rape and armed robbery in an attack on four women, Kabul's police chief has said.

In August, eight men, some dressed in police uniforms, stopped an Afghan family's car outside Kabul and sexually assaulted four of the women in the family. The men also beat and robbed the women, one of whom was pregnant. Three of the suspects remain at large.

The men were hanged in Puli Charkhi prison in Kabul, the capital's police chief General Mohammad Zahir Zahir said. Former President Hamid Karzai had approved and signed the execution order last month, on his last day in office.

The case prompted street demonstrations in support of the victims. While allowed under Afghan law, the death penalty was applied only on two occasions during Karzai's 13-year presidency.

READ MORE: DEATH SENTENCE HANDED DOWN AFTER GANG-RAPE

However, human rights groups criticised both the speedy legal process and application of the death penalty in the rape case. The original trial lasted only two hours before convictions were announced.

Human Rights Watch said the political interference and swift convictions violated the defendants' rights to due process.


Amnesty International said the men had been convicted following a series of “flawed trials” and described their deaths as “an affront to justice”.

David Griffiths, Amnesty International’s Asia-Pacific Deputy Director said: “There is no question that this was an appalling crime and the outcry and anger this case has caused is of course understandable. Amnesty International continues to campaign against rape and other sexual attacks globally and in Afghanistan.

“But the death penalty is not justice – it only amounts to short-term revenge.”


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9782443.html





what do we think of this?? was it too harsh or justified??

[Badlun]

Death sentence is a rough kind of wild revenge . So I am personally not in favor of capital punishment for anywhere and for anyone.

I see , as the report says that the trial was very speedy and justice is a complicated issue. Just in two hours you cannot decide death sentence. It must have been thoroughly examined before the final verdict.

Court must listen to both the parties objectively. If one claims that the other cut my one hand, may be he had cut two hands of the other.

[tor_khan]

Justified. If I had all the details/evidence and there was doubt I would be compelled to think again but the truth is all our rights are conditional. Amnesty International would be happy if every one simply were to shake hands and share a sandwich. What kind of human rights is that?

It's not just in our part of the world that people want revenge. In Washington and London they think the same. Isn't 'justice' by war what the last 13 years has been about?

[DaZahroJaam.]

yes, who is to say that the women didn't just decide to stop the car on their way back from the wedding, tie up their men and raped these random men who were dressed up in police uniform and were playing innocently by the side of the road. that too is a possibility, right?!

seriously badlun?? seriously??
you disturb me.

[Badlun]

yes, who is to say that the women didn't just decide to stop the car on their way back from the wedding, tie up their men and raped these random men who were dressed up in police uniform and were playing innocently by the side of the road. that too is a possibility, right?!

seriously badlun?? seriously??
you disturb me.

Be objective please. You are against the woman hanged in Iran but in favor of this hanging of men in Afghanistan. Gender does not matter. What matters is person or human being, may be man or woman. Speedy justice like this always raise doubts.

[DaZahroJaam.]

objectivity is not a matter of making it a trend of always disagreeing with what the other person is saying regardless of the amount of logic present or absent. furthermore, there are alot of factors between these two cases that set them apart from each other. i never sided up with her and mainly because, it's very unlikely for a woman to kill a man in self defense in a situation like that unless she has gone through some sort of training or has it planned ahead of time and if what happened to her was what she claimed, there was no way for her to know what was coming ahead. we don't have any witnesses so there is no way of knowing what actually happened.

what these men did was planned. it was not a poor decision made by one individual but about five or eight men got together and planned out what they were going to do. there are witnesses so we know what happened. and objectively speaking, i don't think any afghan man is capable of suggesting his wife or daughter/sister was assaulted let alone raped, just for the sake of having some roadside thieves to be hanged. neither is an afghan man or woman, capable of forgiving a crime like that being committed against them or their family. and if you have the kindness in your heart to forgive someone who may have done something like that to your child, sibling or parent then kudos to you. don't expect the sort of kindness or forgiveness that breeds in more crime or filth for the rest of the community or those who have been wronged.
i don't want afghans or afghanistan to be associated with the type of a society where rape too becomes another blunder in a system that has built up a tolerance for starving, murdering, crippling ,stealing and bombing the **** out of it's self. there is nothing to be merciful or kind about there.


as for the west..
the west has no right to speak about an islamic country's judicial system with cases like this because what we sow in our fields is different than what they sow in theirs. in the west, majority of people who end up being victims to these cases are either laying drunk at a night club or have chosen to be in relationships with their abusers. it's very understanding as to why they don't apply the capital punishment to their offenders. in countries like afghanistan or iran, these victims are walking down the street, minding their own business.
if what you lose is not held at a great value, chances are, you wont feel the loss. the afghan government, it's people as well as these men knew exactly the value of what has been taken away from these families. the west doesn't and i don't know why you don't.

[Badlun]

I have problems with capital punishment everywhere but in Afghanistan case, the speed of the justice delivered is questioned not the punishment as such. Any person with legal background may appreciate that justice is not a simple thing as done by tribal people or Taliban.

Muslim countries are now avoiding the so called Sharia justice because it is based on 1400 years old Arab feudal tribal system where teeth is for teeth. Where vengeance is the motive not justice.

[DaZahroJaam.]

they said, they did it. what did you want them to do?? ask them back and forth for the next 6 years on whether they were a little sure, 50% sure or 100% and completely sure that they did it or not??

what?? really?? you don't have a problem with capital punishment?? not even in iran?? tell tell..

[jankhan]

Well the decision was not taken just in a few hours or days. it took months. What more delay you want and they confessed, I don't know what are you talking about.

badlun is against capital punishment and gives examples of a two three countries but you can't compare those two three countries with the rest of the world. Their economic position is much stronger and stable than the rest of the world.
and there are so many other factors.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Well the decision was not taken just in a few hours or days. it took months. What more delay you want and they confessed, I don't know what are you talking about.

badlun is against capital punishment and gives examples of a two three countries but you can't compare those two three countries with the rest of the world. Their economic position is much stronger and stable than the rest of the world.
and there are so many other factors.

would you kindly explain to me as to what economy has got to do with it??

[jankhan]

Indian girl, 3, 'raped' in Bangalore school

The child returned from school on Tuesday and complained of pain that had been caused by "an uncle in school", her parents told the police.

Police say they are questioning school staff and are waiting for a report on the child's medical condition.

The incident comes three months after a six-year-old was raped by a staff member in another Bangalore school.

That led to street protests by parents and activists, with many accusing the school of not handling the allegations properly.

"We have registered cases for rape and the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences (POCSO) Act," Bangalore Police Commissioner MN Reddi told BBC Hindi.

He said police were looking at security cameras for any leads. There have been no arrests yet.

The alleged assault on the three-year-old is the latest in a series of brutal gender-related crimes that have caused outrage in India.

Scrutiny of sexual violence has grown since the 2012 gang rape and murder of a 23-year-old student on a Delhi bus.

The crime sparked days of protests and forced the government to introduce tougher anti-rape laws, including the death penalty.

But the law appears to have failed to act as a deterrent. Statistics from the National Crime Records Bureau for 2013 show one rape was reported every 21 minutes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29719018

[DSM0305]

I am glad they executed these thugs, but to be honest, I would have preferred the execution to take place in public and the bodies hang there for sometime, beside the bodies should have been a large sign that explains their crime. This could have made a good example for rapist, so they would think twice about even thinking doing the crime.

I know I may sound a bit harsh, but rape in Afghanistan is far worse than those in western countries. The pain and burden is far higher for the victims in Afghanistan. First of all, the shame makes the victim an 'offender'. Being excluded and shamed in the society, both inside family and outside. Making an already hard life worse. Imagine all the psychological pain they have to carry.

In Western countries, the victim is considered a victim and they don't get shamed by the society, since intercourse outside marriage is common, so the act itself isn't seen as shame in society. Basically the society takes care of all the burden. So the only effect the victim feel from the act is basically not enjoying the act.

So basically even castrating the rapist and then executing them wouldn't even be enough of a punishment, at least if you compare the damage they have caused to the women.

[Badlun]

I am glad they executed these thugs, but to be honest, I would have preferred the execution to take place in public and the bodies hang there for sometime, beside the bodies should have been a large sign that explains their crime. This could have made a good example for rapist, so they would think twice about even thinking doing the crime.

I know I may sound a bit harsh, but rape in Afghanistan is far worse than those in western countries. The pain and burden is far higher for the victims in Afghanistan. First of all, the shame makes the victim an 'offender'. Being excluded and shamed in the society, both inside family and outside. Making an already hard life worse. Imagine all the psychological pain they have to carry.

In Western countries, the victim is considered a victim and they don't get shamed by the society, since intercourse outside marriage is common, so the act itself isn't seen as shame in society. Basically the society takes care of all the burden. So the only effect the victim feel from the act is basically not enjoying the act.

So basically even castrating the rapist and then executing them wouldn't even be enough of a punishment, at least if you compare the damage they have caused to the women.

Because of such sentiments Taliban, Al Qaeda and other extremists are powerful in Pashtun part of the world. Islamism, extremism, harsh punishments in the so called Sharia find a cogent environment in Pashtunland.

Why you do not learn from the West? Why you do not make sex free and make it just an enjoyment with due care and not something of another world. This way rapes will automatically decrease. If you have sex with mutual consent, why you will rape? Only perverts and psycho will do it and law will take care of them.

For me Zina is only rape. Sex with mutual consent with or without marriage is not Zina. Yes a wife forced by her husband for sex is Zina.

[DSM0305]

Because of such sentiments Taliban, Al Qaeda and other extremists are powerful in Pashtun part of the world. Islamism, extremism, harsh punishments in the so called Sharia find a cogent environment in Pashtunland.

They are powerful because of political reason. The war in Afghanistan was poorly conducted and the Pashtuns marginalized from the political/military spectrum.

Why you do not learn from the West? Why you do not make sex free and make it just an enjoyment with due care and not something of another world. This way rapes will automatically decrease. If you have sex with mutual consent, why you will rape? Only perverts and psycho will do it and law will take care of them.

In countries like Afghanistan, rape is done for turmoil between people/groups. In the west it is mostly done due to alcohol and unprotected females. In both cases it has nothing to do with sexual frustration or anything of that sort.
If anything, making sex 'free' will increase the social turmoils and make rape common and hard to avoid. At least now one can hardly do it in hidden and one is protected by family. Also, the victim will be a social outcast after the act is done, but at the same time people are far more protective of women before the act. Which also decrease rape a lot.
If countries like Afghanistan didn't have war and was political stable, crimes like rape would hardly even exist due to our culture.

For me Zina is only rape. Sex with mutual consent with or without marriage is not Zina. Yes a wife forced by her husband for sex is Zina.

Badlun, the problem with your opinion is the fact that it isn't based upon logic or rationality. Every statement or opinion of yours is based on what the west does.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Badlun, the problem with your opinion is the fact that it isn't based upon logic or rationality. Every statement or opinion of yours is based on what the west does.

that is not true..by your logic, the east should be a well of piety and Godliness that leads one to salvation. pffft!
there is a sick disease that has been out there since the beginning of mankind's existence..a delusional and pretentious belief that imitates idealism which is "a very dangerous form of belief since it deceives one in to sincerity.."
you are both suffering, brothers.