Announcement

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-23-2014, 08:44 AM

This is the webpage of the Saudi foreign ministry:

http://www.mofa.gov.sa/sites/mofaen/MainContactUs/Pages/ContactGeneral.aspx

Tomorrow I will write an email of complaint to the Saudi foreign ministry to report "Yzd Khalifa" and his abusive manner and threats towards Bangladesh. I will then paste my email on this thread insha'Allah.

We Bangladeshis have nothing against Saudis and Mecca and Medina are more holy and sacred to Muslim Bangladeshis than to (the many undercover) atheist Saudis.

There are even mixed marriages between Saudis and Bangladeshis, so Saudis are indeed nothing like the racist and terrorist supporter Yzd Khalifa.

34 Saudi women marry Afghan, Bangladeshi men

New marriage trends fostered by more contacts with other cultures
By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
October 6, 2013

Manama: Justice ministry sources in Saudi Arabia said that 34 Saudi women got married to Afghans and Bangladeshis last year.
The sources said that the figure was equally split between the two nationalities, 17 in each case, local daily Al Sharq reported.
However, 55 Saudi men took Afghan wives and 27 married Bangladeshi women, the sources who were not identified said.
Under Saudi rules, a Saudi woman can take a foreign husband only if she is at least 25 years old. The age can be lowered to 21 if she proves that she is a close relative of the groom.

http://m.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/34-saudi-women-marry-afghan-bangladeshi-men-1.1239780

Bangladeshi model, Anika Kabir Sokh.

Bangladeshi model, Mehzabien Chowhdury.

I would kindly request the Saudi government to instruct their employee "Yzd Khalifa" to either avoid damaging the image of the Saudi government and nation by stopping his online activity or at the very least speaking in a polite and professional manner rather than the racist and terrorist-supporter he comes across as now.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-23-2014, 04:28 PM

Terrorist supporter, "Yzd Khalifa":

It is imperative to work hand to hand with the Pakistanis to topple this regime out, and install a friendly-to-Pakistan Bengal Gov't.

http://defence.pk/threads/awami-league-is-islamic-party.305762/page-6

Post 85.

Yzd Khalifa is an American with Italian ancestry (according to him), fathered by a Saudi.

His sentiments expressed above merely echo what traditional Saudi policy has been towards Bangladesh.

1. Pakistani interests dominate.

Bangladesh is seen not as a sovereign state that won its freedom from a genocidal army and racist state, but a break-away province of Pakistan which must be "loyal" to Pakistan.

2. The Saudi regime is willing to work with Pakistan to promote Pakistani interests in Bangladesh

[MENTION=17579]Loy Afghanistan[/MENTION] and others, I have mentioned this before on this site where I was then attacked by Da Lahore Mazdigar.

However this Yzd Khalifa is an official of the Saudi government who works in national security.

I don't know about now but before Saudi police used to harass Bangladeshi workers and beat them when the centre-left Awami League government did something the Saudi regime didn't like i.e. displeased Pakistan or Jamaat e Islami.

Yzd Khalifa is a mixed-race American apparently mistreated by Saudi Bedouin in the past, who supports terrorists, threatened Russians with terrorism, fellates Pakistanis, abuses and threatens Bangladesh and is damaging the image of Saudi Arabia with his racist rants and support for terrorism.

The Saudi government who pay his salary should order him to stop posting on defence.pk.

The image of Saudi Arabia will suffer.

King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz International Centre for Interreligious and Intercultural Dialogue, globally known by its abbreviation: KAICIID, is a controversial but uniquely empathic[1] non-governmental, not-for-profit worldwide organization founded in October 2011 by King Abdullah of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques....

The center was inaugurated on 27 November 2012 in Vienna, in a ceremony attended by representatives of the world's major religions.[10] The inauguration-ceremony was overshadowed, though, by protest expressed by the Austrian Green Party as well as a variety of Austrian NGOs concerned with Saudi Arabia’s poor human-rights record and fears that the KAICIID would in fact be misused by founding member and chief financier Saudi Arabia as a bridge-head for spreading Wahhabism in Europe.

KAICIID Dialogue Centre - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAICIID_Dialogue_Centre

Western people are quite open minded. Many of them like to learn about cultures and philosophies of the "east", even Islam (despite the media campaign and actions of terrorists supported by the likes of Yzd Khalifa). The Saudi attempt to create a good image for themselves will not work if westerners such as Austrians or other read of the racist hatred and vile abuse towards Bangladesh that Saudi government officials such as Yzd Khalifa have.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-29-2014, 06:20 AM

1. Defence.pk is run by a Pakistani in America called "Ahsan Farooqui" or "Webmaster" as he is called on his forum.

2. He has run an "Indiandefence.com" forum, actually run by him a Pakistani but claiming to be run by Indians:

Just a moment...

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=6081

However this deceitful operation was quite clumsy as the front page of the two forums (defence.pk) and the supposedly "Indian" forum where essentially the same structure:

The contact number for the two sites appeared to be the same.

Apparently Pakistanis carried out a cyber-attack on defence forum India which among other things exposed the fake indiandefence.com (Pakistani controlled phoney Indian site)

3. Farooqui also operated.

Turkeydefence.com
Iraniandefence.com

and also operated a forum called "Pashtuns forum" using the name of this site (Pashtun forums) but with the "s" after Pashtun and not forum.

The site promoted Pakistani nationalism and hosted a lot of anti-Afghan content. It now appears to have gone down.

Though Farooqui doesn't have a fake Bangladesh site, he does operate a sub-forum in his defence.pk site carrying the name "Bangladesh" but which is in effect de facto controlled by members of the soon-to-be outlawed Jamaat e Islami terrorist organization in Bangladesh. Farooqui and his team ensure that patriotic Bangladeshis are warned there, given infractions and are allowed to be insulted by Jamaatis thus insuring a false image of Bangladesh and a negative image of India.

Jamaatis run continuous propaganda there and for example portray Bangladesh as an Indian colony. Just to give one example of why this is a lie, let me quote an article from yesterday.

Dhaka offers on-arrival visa for six Gulf countries

Sheikh Shahariar Zaman

The Gulf countries are also keen to invest billions of dollars to take advantage of the lucrative market in Bangladesh

Bangladesh has offered on-arrival visa for the citizens of six Gulf countries aiming to boost engagement and cooperation with these nations...

As a large number of Bangladeshis are now working in the Gulf countries, visit by their employers to Bangladesh was also taken into account, he said, adding that about 400 to 500 Gulf citizens visit Bangladesh every month for trade, investment or official purposes.

Citing statistics, Nazrul said Bangladesh exported products worth about $50m to the United Arab Emirates in the fiscal year 2009-10 which jumped to over $250 million in the last financial year.

Products worth about $400m are exported to the six countries where Saudi Arabia has a share of about $100m...

- See more at: http://www.dhakatribune.com/foreign-....abcB4ehb.dpuf

If Bangladesh was an Indian puppet state, why is it offering on arrival visas to 6 Muslim countries?

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-29-2014, 06:44 AM

Farooqui's website has contained calls for terrorism including:

1. Calls for military attacks against the Bangladeshi military.

2. Calls for the violent overthrow of the Bangladeshi government.

Such content could lead to Farooqui and his website facing a law suit from Bangladeshi organizations in the US in the future.

Bangladesh intelligence monitors defence.pk and is alleged to be fully aware of each "Bangladeshi" member of that forum. If they continue calling for terrorism in Bangladesh and killing of Bangladeshi soldiers some of these pro-Jamaati terrorists based in the USA may be arrested if they arrive in Bangladesh.

Pakistanis condemn defence.pk

There are many sincere Pakistanis who for example have a far more educated and objective view of the 1971 tragedy than the "Bangladeshi" Jamaatis of defence.pk. However after continuously reading Jamaati propaganda on there for years they too start to believe in Jamaati lies.

Here is some of the condemnation that Pakistanis have for the defence.pk site including both fraud Farooqui and one of his acolytes, Asim Aquil:

I am able to confirm that Agnostic Muslim has informed me that Asim/Ahsan have stolen peoples ids in the past and sent messages to third parties. this has happened previously at PDF. Not only has it happened but Agnostic made a big issue of it within the management of pdf because he was able to prove that it was Ahsan/Asim. He was informed it would never happen again.

Page not found | Pakistan Affairs

http://www.pakistanaffairs.pk/threads/15613-Use-and-abuse-of-members-profiles-by-PDF?

This page could not be found on our website.

"Agnostic Muslim" (an offensive nickname as one cannot be an agnostic and a believer in God/Islam) is a Pakistani Punjabi who was a senior member of the defence.pk site but left after seeing the corrupt and dishonest nature of Farooqui.

Pakistani poster, "Wajid47" post #15 on that thread:

Your tactics will have the reverse effect. Any true patriots after seeing your tactics will decide for themselves who is right and who is wrong. Both of you rats Ahsan and Asim belong in the gutter

On post #18 there is a quote by an ex-defence.pk moderator who says how Ahsan Farooqui abused some Pakistani members and also organized cyber-attacks against other sites.

In the future I will update this thread with more information about the Pakistani propagandist Ahsan Farooqui who is disliked by other Pakistanis and is seen as essentially using Indians to post in defence.pk to generate traffic and make money for himself.

However a Saudi regime official is posting on this site and insulting and abusing other countries as well as calling for the overthrow of the governments of other UN member states. This is highly irresponsible behaviour and the Saudi regime, foreign ministry and security establishment should ensure that he does not continue to do this and embarras Saudi Arabia.

The aforementioned official is actually an American citizen of Italian-American ancestry who happens to have a Saudi father and has secured (infilitrated) a position in Saudi state security.

He is continuing his campaign of abuse against Bangladesh and yesterday started insulting Bangladeshis unprovoked in a discussion about Bangladeshi-Russian relations.

http://defence.pk/threads/russia-coming-back-to-bangladesh.306600/

**Bengal_Tiger** · 03-31-2014, 05:30 AM

Now the Pakistani nationalists of defence.pk (who sometimes call for FATA to be banned) have started saying two Bangladeshi accounts on their forum belong to me, including "Pak-one" (a.k.a. Luffy, a.k.a Michin_Khel a.k.a. dinosaur khan a.k.a Jodhigul): http://defence.pk/threads/would-paki...-areas.306935/

Though amusing this is the result of one particular individual (who shall remain nameless) who has been spreading lies about me and also harassing and abusing me on this forum:

Anyway in terms of the Saudi creep "Yzd Khalifa", he is more than just a random internet poster but a Saudi regime official relatively close to decision makers and the amount of hatred he carries for Bangladesh is disturbing. The following post by him on a Saud family member, Muqrin, being chosen as the 2nd in line, shows how well-connected he is. He writes this post in response to people asking him for more information. I wouldn't advise anyone to read his post in detail but just to skim through it quickly but it basically shows to demonstrate that he is not just another internet poster but as he himself has said a Saudi regime official working for one of their governmental bodies dealing with security, and has a lot of insider information.

This guy (Muqrin) is progressive, but he isn't as progressive as Al-Waleed though.

He spent most of his career focusing on internal affairs such as Provinces Governance. Later he became the Chief of the GIP, wherein our external Intelligence cooperation on an international scale became stronger, developing new counter-terrorism ties with several states such as Canada, Australia.

He brought several radical elements from Pakistan, Guantanamo and Yemen as well as extraditing several terrorists of Pakistani, Afghan, German, and British nationals.

He rejected signing extradition agreements with Iran and Iraq, as the later demanded that any extradition agreements shall remain for several years at least, something the Saudis always rejected as they solely demand exchanging Iraqi prisoners for Saudi prisoners per each agreement.

Iran / Syria relations (hawk or a dove)
Like most Saudi politicians, they don't trust Iran at all, they never have, and never will.

As for Syria, I believe he favors having a political solution to the crisis rather than a military intervention. But he often stressed out the necessity of arming the FSA to the teeth, and supporting the Syrian National Council.

He's anti-MB, Al-Qaida, and Hezbollah and their likes.

So you could say that this guy happens to be a hawk with a tough skin, but not provocative or expressive, unlike Banadr.

Qatar view (if push comes to shove, will he get the fat fvk's son assassinated and annex the territory)
Tbqh, I don't personally know about his political view toward Qatar. But I can imagine that he disagrees with their FP to say the least.

Bahrain (pro intervention and annexation)
He's pro-Bahrain. None of the Saudi political elites called the annexation of Bahrain. All of them tend to prefer upgrading the GCC from a Cooperation Council into a Confederal Union.

Pakistan stand
Every Saudi politician is pro-Pakistan, even the Saudi Agriculture Minister does

You won't be getting the bliss of the Religious Establishment, wealthy businessmen without having a pro-Pakistan stance. Otherwise, they're gonna accuse you for being hostile to Pakistan.

USA stand?

I think he's slightly indifferent toward the US, but I do know that he favors developing stronger ties with the UK, France, and China.

P.S. Above and beyond all, does he enjoy Najdi Sheep steak? o_O
Not just him but most of the Saudis do :lol: ..

I bet he favors Camel.

*SALMAN AL-FARSI said: ↑
Maybe Abdullah will going to quit he is no longer a king???!!*
Impossible, he has a tremendous amount of support from the conservative branch, progressives, liberal, businessmen, and the majority of the Saudi people.

If he steps down, this will be sparking out an uprising in response.

....

There are many young potential successors. They're already in with their boots on in the Government. However, Our protocol has a policy that whoever is going to be in power, he has to be approved by the Allegiance Council on one hand, and the candidates must come one by one respectively to their ages.

...

What kitchen to remodel? This picture was taken long time ago. I don't think it proves any scheme, given the fact that by the time this picture was taken, Muqrin was the Head of The Saudi National Security Council.

And what change have you been referring to? As far as my knowledge is concerned, you claim that by the end of the G-20 Summit KSA will have another " King " on a false charge where you claim that the Chemical Weapons, used against the Syrian Civilians in Guta came from the foreign arms supplies to the FSA. The UN-led investigation report concluded that the CWs were used by the Syrian Regime, It didn't come from Norway or Cuba or North Korea or the Vatican or Saudi Arabia or whatever states.

Thus, both of the conclusions you came to, were actually bogus.

As for Muqrin, you might need to check out my response to Hyperion in this post.

Banadr's fate is what it is now. He is the Chief of the GIP, nothing is changing.

Both of these two folks are simply Architects, one is in KSA's external affairs, the other in KSA's internal affairs.

I see no spark between in the Saudi-American relations. The Saudis, though, won't change their political views, under any circumstances.

...

It was in the air..Syria's marasm and Poutin line in the sand did them all in and especially the US that put the blame, square on Qatar and KSA...
I'm not ready yet to say that Assad's Syria is a sovereign state, given the fact that he lost %50 of his country.

As for Putin, his line in the sands defines Russia's foreign policy, but I don't think he could impose it on the whole world as the Qataris continue to supply the FSA with weapons among other things just as much as the Saudis do.

If what you're saying is accurate, then Russia wouldn't have used such language, when KSA openly acknowledged that the FSA received several Air-to-Surface missile systems, as this:

تم رفض الوصول

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...bia-Russia-lost-Arab-sympathy-over-Assad.html

The Syrian issue and the role of the two neighbors will find a sortie this coming month in Algiers, the two countries will visit after John Kerry two days stop.
Barring to Algeria's typical neutral stance, I don't expect to hear anything from them regarding Syria. We are indifferent to Algeria, but we will always stand with her whenever she needs us.

Without a doubt, Whenever Algeria is brought up in a political dialogue between the Saudis and the Moroccans, it does make the latter a bit sensitive and likewise. But that doesn't mean KSA will be taking side among these two neighbors.

As for the Qatari factor in Algeria, I suspect that Algeria is going to let the opportunity to talk to KSA about Qatar's support to the MB within Algeria, flies like a pie in the sky. I don't wish to see Algeria retreating from the Arab League over Qatar's involvement with the MB. This may lead Algeria to scramble its Su-30s toward Qatar, something I don't wish to see either.

There is something else brewing especially in KSA there is an existing internal threat, and KSA is looking for help to defuse the situation, since their trust in Moroccans and Pakistanis is at a low ebb.
Given the facts, statistics, math, and analysis, I'm unable to identify any existing internal threat in KSA. Regardless of what ever is happening in KSA whether positive or negative, We never asked or expect Algeria to get invovlved in it.

Our relations with Pakistan and Morocco have never been as strong as what they are now. To be quite honest, I don't know what are you talking about.

We don't expect or enforce our political view on any international organization.

Algeria didn't refuse to let the Syrian National Council in. What they exactly said that, since Syria's membership is suspended, the League can't do a thing about it till Syria's crisis is sorted out, the very same view is shared by Egypt which is a legit point. They didn't object the SNC's delivering a speech, nor didn't they object their attendance or granting them an observer status.

The only country that refused to let the Syrian National Council in was Iraq, but they couldn't do much about it as the SNC gave a speech in the last meeting in Kuwait.

http://defence.pk/threads/saudi-king-appoints-half-brother-as-heir-to-throne.306779/page-3

* This guy is close to senior Saudi decision makers but his Pakistanophilia is somewhat dishonest and exaggerated.

- Saudi is very close to India now and has expedited Pakistani-backed terrorists to India in the post.

Despite his huge verbal Pakistanophilia, the Saudis will turn against Pakistani interests if they need to.

- He praises Turks on the forum (to appear diplomatic) but the Saudi regime is very angry with Turkey.

As I said it is a great shame that the Saudi regime has a relatively senior official going online and abusing another country (Bangladesh) and calling its people "criminals" and "savages", lying about the country and also calling for the removal of its government.

Anyway officially the Saudi government are far more diplomatic towards Bangladesh than this Italian-American from Texas who happens to have a Saudi father. I just hope they have a word with him and tell him not to abuse other countries or nationalities, or even simply to not participate in that controversial forum which has been condemned even by other online Pakistani ultra-nationalists.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 04-01-2014, 07:40 PM

Balochistan and the unity of Pakistan

Dr. Ali Al-Ghamdi

Pakistan came into being as a homeland for the Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent after a long and bitter struggle and great sacrifices. The creation of Pakistan also involved a lot of ethnic, geographic, economic and political issues. Pakistan was able to remain united and the people achieved a great deal of growth and development for some time.

However, some internal and external forces were not satisfied or convinced about the creation of the new entity. They started exploiting and exaggerating some of the problems involved in the creation of the new nation and the mistakes committed by some people who held key positions. Moreover, there was a lack of religious faith and national sentiment on which Pakistan was founded on the part of some individuals and groups. Apart from this, some people cherished regional sentiments. All of these problems and factors contributed to Pakistan’s loss of its eastern half after a nine-month civil war that ended with India’s military intervention in favor of Bengalis. This resulted in the secession of East Pakistan and the creation of the new state of Bangladesh.

It is unfortunate that Pakistan is facing a fresh threat from those who are attempting to destabilize the country by crossing all the red lines. The Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) is threatening Pakistan’s national unity not only through its involvement in subversive acts from within but also by establishing rapport with external forces. It has sought the assistance of the United States by contacting some US Congressmen in order to gain moral and material support to continue its subversive and separatist acts.

The BLA and its tribal leader the Khan of Kalat were said to have earlier planned to take the Balochistan issue to the International Court of Justice (ICJ). It was also said that they expected that a neighboring country would pay the legal fees, amounting to more than $2 million, to contest the case. When they failed to achieve this, they approached some US Congressmen, requesting their support to take up their cause. This yielded results when three Congressmen tabled a bill before the US Congress stating:

“Balochistan is currently divided between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan with no sovereign rights of its own.” They also told Congress that Balochis in Pakistan are subjected to violence, extrajudicial killing and displacement, and that they are demanding the right to self-determination.

Earlier, a Congressional committee convened hearings on what it called extrajudicial killings and human rights violations in Balochistan, and the issue was taken up by a number of deputies who proposed a new road map for the Middle East that was designed to divide some of the countries in the region, including Pakistan, on the basis of ethnic and religious factors. But the US government quickly distanced itself from such schemes.

However, in reality non-governmental organizations and research centers funded by the US State Department have worked to support and encourage dissidents in Balochistan. Similarly, the US government has also been pressing Pakistan to allow the opening of a US Consulate in Quetta. There was general belief that the aim of this demand was to facilitate the activities of organizations which are striving to create unrest in Pakistan.

US Congressmen who are known to be members of the Tea Party are working for an independent Balochistan. There have been reports that these Congressmen are outraged at Pakistan and by extending support to Balochi insurgents want to teach it a lesson for sheltering Osama Bin Laden.

There have also been allegations that India is extending financial assistance to the insurgents and that this money goes into the pockets of tribal chiefs who are working for the separation of Balochistan from Pakistan. There is a general notion that if the Republicans come to power in the next US elections, there will be a surge in violence in Balochistan. It has also been pointed out that in such a scenario, the insurgents will receive funding from Tea Party members under the pretext of defending human rights.

In this context, I suggest that the media should highlight some important topics.

1. There should be a political initiative to address the situation in Balochistan, such as holding elections and the formation of an elected government in the province, which would reduce the prospects for those who encourage insurgency.

2. It is essential to stop the intervention of external forces whether it is from US Congressmen or anyone else as this contravenes international laws and traditions.

3. The local media should expose the machinations of Tea Party members as well as the hypocrisy shown under the pretext of human rights in order to interfere in the internal affairs of Pakistan.

4. Those who demand separation are a small group and they enjoy no support from the people. They look to outside forces to get material and moral support from both individuals and agencies that are not interested in what is good for Pakistan. What these forces are trying to do in Balochistan is not possible for them to do in their own country. If any of them dared to do so, they would end up behind bars.

5. The people of Balochistan are patriotic and they want peace, justice and democracy to prevail. It is not possible to incite them to violence which is the objective of the banned separatist BLA.

6. The government of Pakistan will not allow any group of adventurers who live abroad to undermine the nation’s safety and security, as well as to forfeit any part of the country. It will work to achieve the growth and development of all parts of Pakistan, including Balochistan. The people of Balochistan like the rest of the people of Pakistan are keen to safeguard the unity and territorial integrity of the nation.

In my next article, I will shed more light on the double standards of some who intend to undermine the security, stability and unity of Pakistan.

— Dr. Ali Al-Ghamdi is a former Saudi diplomat who specializes in Southeast Asian affairs. He can be reached at algham@hotmail.com

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http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20140402200527

1. The Saudi Gazette is a Saudi-propaganda organ owned by the Saudi royal family and as I have said previously is very pro-Pakistani and anti-Bangladeshi.

2. Ali Al-Ghamdi is a pro-Pakistani propagandist, a former Saudi diplomat.

He like many other senior Saudis is extremely pro-Saudi and has absolutely no interest in the suffering of the Bangladeshi people. Let us look at this nasty little propagandist's words.

Moreover, there was a lack of religious faith and national sentiment on which Pakistan was founded on the part of some individuals and groups.

- No mention of the discrimination e.g. east Pakistan was the majority wing and net exporter but majority of the money was given to the western wing. 1/2 a million Bengalis died in the 1970 wing, the West Pakistanis did nothing to help or even show any expression of sadness. Ali Al Ghamdi and other Saudis simply do not care, as they see Pakistanis as racially superior to Bengalis.

Instead Al-Ghamdi adopts the ideas of the Pakistani right wing and implicity alludes to Bengalis being "weaker Muslims", through his quote "a lack of religious faith and national sentiment"

Apart from this, some people cherished regional sentiments. All of these problems and factors contributed to Pakistan’s loss of its eastern half after a nine-month civil war that ended with India’s military intervention in favor of Bengalis.

He speaks of Pakistan's "loss", though in fact Bengalis may have lost anything between 0.3 -0.5 million people including countless raped in horrific atrocities that even former Pakistani military personnel have expressed disgust at.

He refers to Bangladesh as "its" (Pakistan's) eastern half, completely uninterested that Bangladesh is a state on its own, a nation with its own identity.

The way he speaks merely reflects the predominant racist ideology of the Saudi establishment, which is not happy with Bangladeshi independence and wants a Bangladesh subservient to Pakistan.

This resulted in the secession of East Pakistan and the creation of the new state of Bangladesh.

Saudi propagandist, Ali Al-Ghamdi.

Ghamdi with Pakistani nationalists, Ghamdi is a strong campaigner and lobbyist for Pakistani interests and is very anti-Bangladeshi.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 04-04-2014, 02:37 PM

Jamaatis celebrate the death of a Bangladeshi soldier and insult him, by calling him a mercenary. They insult the Bangladeshi army as a whole.

http://defence.pk/threads/bangladeshi-mercenary-dies-in-congo.307603/

Yzd Khalifa posts saying "good riddance".

A Saudi government official enjoying the death of a Bangladeshi soldier.

For decades Pakistan and Jamaat have pumped the Saudi government with false information and propaganda against Bangladesh and this is an example.

Ahsan Farooqi ("Webmaster") who runs defence.pk and his "moderators" ensure that Jamaatis are allowed to abuse normal Bangladeshi posters and promote propaganda freely whilst normal Bangladeshi posters are banned, or heavily censored (I know as other people have posted there).

For anyone who thinks I am engaging in propaganda, ask yourself these two questions.

1. Do you think normal Bangladeshis would be happy at the mass expulsion of Bangladeshis earning a living in Saudi Arabia as defence.pk Jamaatis do?

2. Do you think normal Bangladeshis would be happy at the death of an ordinary Bangladeshi soldier who follows orders and has no involvement in politics?

The propaganda on defence.pk is reminiscent of 1971 Pakistan, when the Pakistanis were stunned by their surrender in Dhaka because prior to that i.e. December 16th 1971, all they heard from the Pakistani radio service was stories of continuous victories. In other words defence.pk and its propaganda is on another planet and nothing like reality.

**JAMALUDEEN** · 04-05-2014, 12:36 AM

They do ban people unnecessarily.

**Bengal_Tiger** · 04-05-2014, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by JAMALUDEEN View Post

They do ban people unnecessarily.

Jamaludeen, starey mashey?

The site is primarily a money making scheme and disliked by most other Pakistanis. I don't know if you had a brief look at the links I posted above but Pakistani ex-forum members on another site criticize the owner for his fraudalent behaviour and even talk about going to the police/authorities over some of his actions.

The "Bangladesh" sub-forum there is dominated by Jamaatis who can (I have posted links on other threads) call normal Bangladeshis "dogs" and insult their female family members and no action will be taken against them. Jamaatis are protected there.

This is because Jamaatis are pro-Pakistan. They seek to portray Bangladesh as a failed state thus nullifying the concept of Bangladeshi independence and legitimizing calls for "re-unification" with Pakistan, and also to block any normalized relations between Bangladesh and India as this is what their Pakistani masters want.

The reality is the Bangladeshi economy is one of the fastest growing in the world since 2008 alongside China, Turkey, Singapore and Brazil.

We had 1/4 a million people sing our national anthem, that is Bangladeshi nationalism and strengthening Bangladeshi national identity and not making us weak in our identity and wanting to be part of India (something that will never ever happen, especially with our 5-6 million paramilitary reservists). Defence.pk is a total propaganda site but has fooled many people.

The "Bangladesh" sub-forum there is a Jamaati sub-forum.

**Karachi** · 04-05-2014, 12:53 PM

I was on PDF in 2011/12 and I had huge fights with this Yzd Khalifa guy. I had fights with him over different topics. He thinks that Saudi Arabia is best country in the world, when ever I made threads about Saudi's human rights records, treatment of workers/women, destruction of Islamic sites in Makkah etc... he use to get really pissed off. He is basically a loyal puppet of the Royals in the kingdom. Pakistani military idiots, who worship Saudis, are his big fans on the site

**Bengal_Tiger** · 04-05-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Karachi View Post

I was on PDF in 2011/12 and I had huge fights with this Yzd Khalifa guy. I had fights with him over different topics. He thinks that Saudi Arabia is best country in the world, when ever I made threads about Saudi's human rights records, treatment of workers/women, destruction of Islamic sites in Makkah etc... he use to get really pissed off. He is basically a loyal puppet of the Royals in the kingdom. Pakistani military idiots, who worship Saudis, are his big fans on the site

1. Many people dismiss forums and forum posters as inconsequential people just sitting behind their keyboards.

There is a degree of dismissal by many people of those who post regularly on forums, an occassional short post here and there is "OK", but regular and long posting many people think is unhealthy and the sign of a lack of a social life.

I can totally understand this opinion.

2. Yzd Khalifa however is not someone who can be dismissed as an "internet troll", he is a Saudi government official and not just an ordinary official but one involved in sensitive and strategic security affairs.

The sentiments that he has and expresses gives an insight in to the ideas and views of the senior Saudi policy making elite.

As a Bangladeshi it is very disturbing.

3. I am not a blind nationalist. Bangladesh is a very poor country with many problems and many things to be ashamed of. I post positive news of Bangladesh, Afghanistan and other Muslim countries to show the good side of the Muslim world.

I had not posted on this forum for about under 2 years until I resumed a few months ago, but in my earlier spell as a poster you can see I posted mainly positive news about Saudi Arabia and the gulf states whom I saw as Muslim countries.

However in my absence from this forum I completed Hajj in Saudi Arabia and my cousin who works there told me about the things that happen to Bangladeshi workers directly related to Saudi-Bangladesh governmental relations. When the Bangladeshi government did something the Saudis did not like (and remember this has nothing to do with Saudi interests themselves as Bangladesh is a poor country far away from Saudi with no borders and no ability to hurt Saudi) i.e. did something Saudi favourites, Pakistan and the Jamaat did not like, the following day or so Saudi policemen would go on "patrol" for illegal immigrants. They would target Bangladeshi workers and I think (can't recall correctly) even physically manhandle or assault them.

This is "soft pressure" on the Bangladeshi government to follow Pakistani wishes.

If I had never met my cousin, I a Bangladeshi, would not even have known of this.

Al-Jazeera, the BBC, CNN do not cover such things. How can poor Bangladeshi immigrants in Saudi Arabia go and tell them this in interviews? They will be deported immediately.

So no one in the world knows about it. There are some (including some on this forum) who think if nothing is mentioned by white westerners (be it in the media or academia) it cannot have happened, or be happening.

However the harassment of Bangladeshi workers by the Saudi regime for Pakistani/Jamaati interests is a reality.

The future

The Saudi regime are bullies. Like most bullies they respect strength. This is though they abuse Muslim Bangladesh they respect Hindu India as it is a strong nuclear power with a big military.

Hindu India is far more of an enemy of Pakistan, whose soldiers it occassionally kills, than Muslim Bangladesh. So why target Muslim Bangladesh for the sake of Pakistan?

Because Bangladesh is weak and in Saudi eyes cannot retaliate.

In the long-term with Bangladesh developing its economy and military the country will gain more respect from bullies such as the Saudis, this is the long-term answer.

However the Saudis and people like Yzd Khalifa need to be careful because in the long run we will not forget the Saudis and what they have done and in the short term Allah is able to destroy them next week if he so wishes, as Gaddafi, Mubarak, Ben Ali all found out.

Also if the millions of Bangladeshi workers discreetly tell their family back home in Bangladesh about this police harassment and these family members then tell this to the western media, it will pressurize the Saudi regime to behave like human beings and not like the brutal animals that they are.

Gaddafi, who thought he was untouchable.

Mubarak, who also thought he was untouchable.

Saudis with their "friend", Ben Ali who was overthrown.

Fahd and Saddam, Saddam was overthrown.

The Saud tribe. Will they become an unpleasant part of history, confined to the past?

**Da Bannu Mazdigar** · 04-05-2014, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post

1. Many people dismiss forums and forum posters as inconsequential people just sitting behind their keyboards.

There is a degree of dismissal by many people of those who post regularly on forums, an occassional short post here and there is "OK", but regular and long posting many people think is unhealthy and the sign of a lack of a social life.

I can totally understand this opinion.

2. Yzd Khalifa however is not someone who can be dismissed as an "internet troll", he is a Saudi government official and not just an ordinary official but one involved in sensitive and strategic security affairs.

The sentiments that he has and expresses gives an insight in to the ideas and views of the senior Saudi policy making elite.

As a Bangladeshi it is very disturbing.

3. I am not a blind nationalist. Bangladesh is a very poor country with many problems and many things to be ashamed of. I post positive news of Bangladesh, Afghanistan and other Muslim countries to show the good side of the Muslim world.

I had not posted on this forum for about under 2 years until I resumed a few months ago, but in my earlier spell as a poster you can see I posted mainly positive news about Saudi Arabia and the gulf states whom I saw as Muslim countries.

However in my absence from this forum I completed Hajj in Saudi Arabia and my cousin who works there told me about the things that happen to Bangladeshi workers directly related to Saudi-Bangladesh governmental relations. When the Bangladeshi government did something the Saudis did not like (and remember this has nothing to do with Saudi interests themselves as Bangladesh is a poor country far away from Saudi with no borders and no ability to hurt Saudi) i.e. did something Saudi favourites, Pakistan and the Jamaat did not like, the following day or so Saudi policemen would go on "patrol" for illegal immigrants. They would target Bangladeshi workers and I think (can't recall correctly) even physically manhandle or assault them.

This is "soft pressure" on the Bangladeshi government to follow Pakistani wishes.

If I had never met my cousin, I a Bangladeshi, would not even have known of this.

Al-Jazeera, the BBC, CNN do not cover such things. How can poor Bangladeshi immigrants in Saudi Arabia go and tell them this in interviews? They will be deported immediately.

So no one in the world knows about it. There are some (including some on this forum) who think if nothing is mentioned by white westerners (be it in the media or academia) it cannot have happened, or be happening.

However the harassment of Bangladeshi workers by the Saudi regime for Pakistani/Jamaati interests is a reality.

The future

The Saudi regime are bullies. Like most bullies they respect strength. This is though they abuse Muslim Bangladesh they respect Hindu India as it is a strong nuclear power with a big military.

Hindu India is far more of an enemy of Pakistan, whose soldiers it occassionally kills, than Muslim Bangladesh. So why target Muslim Bangladesh for the sake of Pakistan?

Because Bangladesh is weak and in Saudi eyes cannot retaliate.

In the long-term with Bangladesh developing its economy and military the country will gain more respect from bullies such as the Saudis, this is the long-term answer.

However the Saudis and people like Yzd Khalifa need to be careful because in the long run we will not forget the Saudis and what they have done and in the short term Allah is able to destroy them next week if he so wishes, as Gaddafi, Mubarak, Ben Ali all found out.

Also if the millions of Bangladeshi workers discreetly tell their family back home in Bangladesh about this police harassment and these family members then tell this to the western media, it will pressurize the Saudi regime to behave like human beings and not like the brutal animals that they are.

Gaddafi, who thought he was untouchable.

Mubarak, who also thought he was untouchable.

Saudis with their "friend", Ben Ali who was overthrown.

Fahd and Saddam, Saddam was overthrown.

The Saud tribe. Will they become an unpleasant part of history, confined to the past?

As long as Pakistan Exist,The Saudi govt unlike egypt or libya won't be dissolved.

Pakistan on urgent basis can send atleast 5lac reserves troops to KSA.The Saudi Saud Family doesnt trust the local and rather has the security managed by SSG.

Pakistan and Saudi arabia can't survive without each other.

Bahrain is a recent example

Khalifa is not a govt official.Infact he doesnt even live in KSA but rather europe.

**jaan maan** · 04-05-2014, 03:01 PM

Tiger stop hating Saudi Arabia just because they support Pakistan.

**Da Bannu Mazdigar** · 04-05-2014, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by jaan maan View Post

Tiger stop hating Saudi Arabia just because they support Pakistan.

I believe he hate saudi arabia because he's a shia.

And i don't know why he's doing so.i mean i have seen many shia in Pakistan and they doesnt hate KSA.

We are sunni's but we admire iran and so does most of Pakistani sunni's or even Sunni in Afghanistan

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