Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley awaits the next fight with the Taliban

[DSM0305]

serving their own intrests? lol massoud and his panjsheri gang were notable for working with russians and letting them set up posts in the province. Most of them are millionares because they work with the americans. They flood the government cabinets because karzai kissing up to farsiwans.

Russians are gone from Afghanistan, but Panjshiris is still in Afghanistan. Americans will be gone soon to, but Panjshiris will still be staying. Now panjhiris are millionairs and what are everyone else?

Pashtuns fought Russians, now they are gone and see what is left of Pashtuns. Pashtuns fought Americans and its allies, now see the results. Pashtuns are poor, uneducated, have thousands of sicknesses. They got killed in millions, got handicapped in millions. And for what? for a ghost enemy who would have been gone anyway.

Modern invasion isn't like old days where they stay forever. In modern days invasion they come and they leave. The time depends on how rich the invaders are.

There have been around 3000 deaths of foreign forces and how many deaths of Afghans? More Americans dies in gang violence than this war. Was this many Afghans deaths worth a few Americans?

Now tell me who is clever Panjhiris or Pashtuns...

[khushal]

@Kushan Prince you may dislike Panjsheris like I do. But give credit where its due. They are far better than Pashtuns in serving their own interests. A very small valley dominated Afghanistan for 10 years. Most of them are millionairs. They have loads of weapons stashed in case things go wrong.

Meanwhile, Pashtuns are busy talking nonsense.

Actually, panjshiri leaders are doing a disservice to their people which is not in their interest. They are breeding resentment from other populations in the country. Remember what happened during 1929 when Pashtun tribesmen went to shamoli and committed atrocities. Those atrocities were a reaction to the resentment they bred and they are doing the same thing today. Why do you think they are arming themselves to the teeth since America wont protect them forever. Do you think they don't fear the wrath from the people they have abandoned.
These leaders will abandon their people and their people will suffer. Being power hungary and greedy is not in the interests of your people, for every action their is an opposite reaction and it will not be pretty.

Hazaras on the other hand are educating their people, that is the best thing to do because once you educate your population, you could never lose it since it will be passed to the next generation.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Actually, panjshiri leaders are doing a disservice to their people which is not in their interest. They are breeding resentment from other populations in the country. Remember what happened during 1929 when Pashtun tribesmen went to shamoli and committed atrocities. Those atrocities were a reaction to the resentment they bred and they are doing the same thing today. Why do you think they are arming themselves to the teeth since America wont protect them forever. Do you think they don't fear the wrath from the people they have abandoned.
These leaders will abandon their people and their people will suffer. Being power hungary and greedy is not in the interests of your people, for every action their is an opposite reaction and it will not be pretty.

Hazaras on the other hand are educating their people, that is the best thing to do because once you educate your population, you could never lose it since it will be passed to the next generation.

Shamali was raided in 1929 by Zazi, Mangal, Tanay etc. What kind of atrocities did the Tajik bache saqaw commit in loy Paktia?

Bache saqaw wasnt just supported by tajiks. Ghiljay and other pashtun tribes from Ghazni, katawaz, paktia, logar and mashreqi supported to khurooj against the apostate ruler Amanullah Khan.

Please inform yourself and stop fabricating your own version of history.

[khushal]

Shamali was raided in 1929 by Zazi, Mangal, Tanay etc. What kind of atrocities did the Tajik bache saqaw commit in loy Paktia?

Bache saqaw wasnt just supported by tajiks. Ghiljay and other pashtun tribes from Ghazni, katawaz, paktia, logar and mashreqi supported to khurooj against the apostate ruler Amanullah Khan.

Please inform yourself and stop fabricating your own version of history.

That whole thing was staged by the Brits.

Bache Saqaw wasn't supported by Pashtuns, he only took advantage of the chaotic situation that had befallen on Amanullah Khan after British planes had dropped leaflets of his wife's hand being kissed by european leaders and it was amanallah's brother who had given Kabul to bache saqaw.

And that reaction was from Nadir Shah who was commander of the loya paktia forces during the last war with the brits, he summoned the tribesmen in paktia and Waziristan to take back Kabul and teach bache saqaw and his supporters a lesson.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

That whole thing was staged by the Brits.

Bache Saqaw wasn't supported by Pashtuns, he only took advantage of the chaotic situation that had befallen on Amanullah Khan after British planes had dropped leaflets of his wife's hand being kissed by european leaders and it was amanallah's brother who had given Kabul to bache saqaw and teach bache seqaw and his supporters a lesson.

And that reaction was from Nadir Shah who was commander of the loya paktia forces during the last war with the brits, he summoned the tribesmen in paktia and Waziristan to take back Kabul and teach bache saqaw and his supporters a lesson.

All lies.

[khushal]

All lies.

your saying bache saqaw was the central leader of the resistance. come on, that's fantasy.

[khushal]

All lies.

Shamlarwar,
Inayatullah Khan who was the brother of amanullah khan gave Kabul to bache saqaw instead of the ghiljay who were on the southern flanks of Kabul ready to take it. He purposefully gave it to the farsiwan because he knew that if the ghiljay takes Kabul, it would be difficult for the Durranis to take it back from Pashtuns. It was a strategic maneuver so that Nadir Shah can gather paktiawal tribesmen and use the "farsiwan has taken Kabul" narrative to get the tribesmen on his side and restore the durrani dynasty which worked.

[gadoonwal]

Shamlarwar,
Inayatullah Khan who was the brother of amanullah khan gave Kabul to bache saqaw instead of the ghiljay who were on the southern flanks of Kabul ready to take it. He purposefully gave it to the farsiwan because he knew that if the ghiljay takes Kabul, it would be difficult for the Durranis to take it back from Pashtuns. It was a strategic maneuver so that Nadir Shah can gather paktiawal tribesmen and use the "farsiwan has taken Kabul" narrative to get the tribesmen on his side and restore the durrani dynasty which worked.

Good point,
But kindly read the history books such as pashtana da tareeh pa rana kay,,,
The sulaimankhel supported the bacha saqa so as many pashtuns of ghazni etc.

[khushal]

Good point,
But kindly read the history books such as pashtana da tareeh pa rana kay,,,
The sulaimankhel supported the bacha saqa so as many pashtuns of ghazni etc.

He stole 750,000 pounds from the Kabul treasury and paid a few Pashtuns from it. The only reason he survived for so long which was just a few months was because of the treasury he raided. According to Author Amin Saikal, he regarded Pashtuns as monkeys. The guy did not start the resistance against Amanullah Khan nor was he a central figure of that resistance, he just took advantage of a chaotic situation just like masood did when Najibs administration was crumbling.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Shamlarwar,
Inayatullah Khan who was the brother of amanullah khan gave Kabul to bache saqaw instead of the ghiljay who were on the southern flanks of Kabul ready to take it. He purposefully gave it to the farsiwan because he knew that if the ghiljay takes Kabul, it would be difficult for the Durranis to take it back from Pashtuns. It was a strategic maneuver so that Nadir Shah can gather paktiawal tribesmen and use the "farsiwan has taken Kabul" narrative to get the tribesmen on his side and restore the durrani dynasty which worked.

Nothing you have ever said about history, religion or politics makes sense.

You have said that the Pashtuns and Muslims opposition to secular regimes imposing secular way of life is justified. You have said that it is not just inspired by foreigners.

Here you are defending a secular tyrant who was a student of the cursed Atta Turk by suggesting the tribes who opposed him and revolted against hem did it for the money.

Make up your mind and stop contradicting yourself.

[Bost Bastan News]

That whole thing was staged by the Brits.

Bache Saqaw wasn't supported by Pashtuns, he only took advantage of the chaotic situation that had befallen on Amanullah Khan after British planes had dropped leaflets of his wife's hand being kissed by european leaders and it was amanallah's brother who had given Kabul to bache saqaw.

And that reaction was from Nadir Shah who was commander of the loya paktia forces during the last war with the brits, he summoned the tribesmen in paktia and Waziristan to take back Kabul and teach bache saqaw and his supporters a lesson.

You forget that nadir khan was a british dog. Nadir could not defeat Bachi saqaw on the battlefield even with british support. To be straight in this you should acknowledge that bachi saqaw himself went to nadir who promised him to ''pardon'' him. when he was in the british camp he killed saqaw and his fellows and looted northern afghanistan and all kabul. nadir khan said they heads belong to me their nang and namus belongs to you (his tribal and by british paid soldiers and former saqaw allies). ''Dr. Barakzai Abdali'' must be proud of his ancestory. But believe me such scenarios created deep hatred in Afghanistan. These Farsiwans and particularely Panjshiris took revenge btween the 70s and Taliban time in a way that we can´t imagine. Even in the last ten years some of them, real b a s t a r d s took revenge in a way we had never done anything like this in the last 50years. One example. In Kandahar thousands of lands 10 billion USD worth are burned ir-repairable to dust in the last 12years. Better not to talk about such issues in the public. It creates more hatred and more war. Let´s forget the past and rebuild our country on a new and real brothership.

[Bost Bastan News]

He stole 750,000 pounds from the Kabul treasury and paid a few Pashtuns from it. The only reason he survived for so long which was just a few months was because of the treasury he raided. According to Author Amin Saikal, he regarded Pashtuns as monkeys. The guy did not start the resistance against Amanullah Khan nor was he a central figure of that resistance, he just took advantage of a chaotic situation just like masood did when Najibs administration was crumbling.

Your criminal uncle Nadir khan and amanullah khan invited russians to northern afghanistan to kill central asian´s mujaheddin (called basmachi) who opposed russian domination. 90 000 people got killed in northern afghanistan. You deny this? Because of Nadir khan and amanullah those countries became defensless and were incooperated by the socialists. Yet you talk about Muslim duty here and there...nadir khan was a godless UK agent and Amanullah was a criminal self-centric criminal. His all crap ''national'' moderization policy was for his own family members and two or three tribes. Demonizing bachi saqaw was a falsification of history by Nadir Khan´s family to show him as a thief not legitimate to rule Afgahnistan while the reason behind it was the ethnic interests of the barakzai and mohamadzai families. the winning side always write the history

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

the winning side always write the history

So many people think they know history, and they try to refute you by quoting books written during the era of Zahir Shah when you couldn't even write your own ideas about religion and politics with a pencil on the back of your book out of fear of persecution.

Yet they think the ones with the opposing account of history are somehow lying.

The royal family tried very hard to demonize any kind of descent as foreign backed treason just like the current regime is doing it.

People condemn the current regime for this, yet people seem to be unaware of the same thing occurring in our recent history.

[khushal]

Nothing you have ever said about history, religion or politics makes sense.

You have said that the Pashtuns and Muslims opposition to secular regimes imposing secular way of life is justified. You have said that it is not just inspired by foreigners.

Here you are defending a secular tyrant who was a student of the cursed Atta Turk by suggesting the tribes who opposed him and revolted against hem did it for the money.

Make up your mind and stop contradicting yourself.

I never said money was a motive for the uprising against Amanullah. But Bache Saqaw survival for a few months had to do with the money but that was after the uprising had started. Amanullah was already out.

[khushal]

Your criminal uncle Nadir khan and amanullah khan invited russians to northern afghanistan to kill central asian´s mujaheddin (called basmachi) who opposed russian domination. 90 000 people got killed in northern afghanistan. You deny this? Because of Nadir khan and amanullah those countries became defensless and were incooperated by the socialists. Yet you talk about Muslim duty here and there...nadir khan was a godless UK agent and Amanullah was a criminal self-centric criminal. His all crap ''national'' moderization policy was for his own family members and two or three tribes. Demonizing bachi saqaw was a falsification of history by Nadir Khan´s family to show him as a thief not legitimate to rule Afgahnistan while the reason behind it was the ethnic interests of the barakzai and mohamadzai families. the winning side always write the history

Your spewing mental diarrhea. You never have sources. When Bache Saqaw ran out of the 750,000 British pounds, he started making money from his own inferior paper and was making money from leather.