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    Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley awaits the next fight with the Taliban - Page 2 - Los Angeles Times


    Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley awaits the next fight with the Taliban


    As U.S. troops prepare to leave, former militia members eye their weapons, doubtful the Afghan army will keep the Taliban at bay.


    December 22, 2013|By David Zucchino



    SAFID SHIR, Afghanistan — Astride his dappled gray stallion, Mohammad Karim looked like a weathered warrior, though he wielded a grain sack instead of a carbine.
    Decades ago, Karimwas a mujahid, a mountain tribesman who took up arms against Soviet soldiers and, later, the Taliban. Now 45, with white whiskers beneath his pakol, a traditional Afghan hat, he is again prepared to fight if his beloved Panjshir Valley is threatened.




    "If the Taliban tries to come back, we'll fight them and kill them," he said, as he rode his horse near the shimmering blue Panjshir River and hillside trees streaked with autumn gold. "We have plenty of weapons, believe me."
    There is talk of war now amid the dark gorges and snowcapped peaks of Panjshir, in northern Afghanistan, one of only two provinces never conquered by the Taliban when it ruled the country. With U.S. and other foreign combat troops withdrawing next year, many Panjshiris don't trust the Afghan army to hold back the insurgents. They say they have the weapons — and the will — to do it themselves.
    A hundred miles south in Kabul, some former mujahedin warlords who fought beside Panjshiris against the Taliban also are threatening to revive their militias. Resentful that many Panjshiris and other strongmen of the old U.S.-backed Northern Alliance have been marginalized by President Hamid Karzai, they want their heavy weapons back.
    "No need for that" in Panjshir, cracked Abdul Khalil, a Panjshiri and former guerrilla fighter in Safid Shir, a muddy Panjshir farming village that lost scores of men to the Taliban. "We already have all the weapons we need."
    Many Afghans say such talk is mostly bluster by aging warlords. But there is genuine concern that a poor showing by former mujahedin in April's national elections could trigger cries of fraud and a return to the savage civil warfare of the early 1990s.
    Afghans also are anxious about security because of Karzai's refusal to sign a post-2014 security agreement with Washington that would leave U.S. training forces in the country and continue billions of dollars in military and reconstruction aid.
    The street price of an AK-47 rifle, always a barometer of public fear, has risen recently to almost $1,400 from $1,000, compared with about $400 a decade ago.
    A senior officer with the NATO-led coalition said Afghan army commanders aren't overly concerned about fading warlords. But he predicted that calls for a return to the violent mujahedin era will remain an election undercurrent.
    "This country has a history of militias, so the idea of a single army on behalf of a sovereign state is a new concept for Afghans," the officer said.
    Panjshir was the domain of Ahmed Shah Massoud, the "Lion of Panjshir" and Northern Alliance commander. Massoud was assassinated by Al Qaeda suicide bombers two days before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that triggered the U.S. military invasion of Afghanistan. Backed by U.S. airstrikes and special forces, the alliance helped topple the Taliban government three months later.



    Panjshiris dominated Karzai's first government in the early 2000s. Ninety of the first 100 army generals appointed by the first defense minister, Panjshiri warlord Mohammad Qasim Fahim, were Panjshiris.
    Karzai ultimately replaced many Northern Alliance warlords of all ethnicities with Pashtun technocrats, many of whom had returned from exile in the West. The former alliance turned againstKarzai, said Atiqullah Baryalai, a former Panjshiri commander forced out by Karzai as deputy defense minister.
    "The Panjshiris want to be seen as leaders of the national resistance" to the Taliban, said Baryalai, seated beneath a large portrait of Massoud in the salon of his Kabul compound. "They would never turn against the army, but they would fight the Taliban alone if it came to that.
    "The Panjshiris are very special people when it comes to defending their homeland."
    Most Afghan warlords disbanded their militias and surrendered heavy weapons under U.S. pressure. But Afghan security experts say the Panjshir militias never fully disarmed, stashing weapons in mountain caches. Panjshiris and other mujahedin criticize Karzai as too eager to negotiate with the Taliban.

    Panjshir has always been a place apart, an ethnic Tajik enclave in the Hindu Kush with a wary eye on the polyglot capital, Kabul. Bumper stickers here proclaim "United State of Panjshir." It is one of the few Afghan provinces with a border station where officials log outsiders' names and license plates.
    It's a stunning landscape of snowcapped peaks and orchards where men on horseback are a common sight, dressed in long, striped chapan cloaks with extended sleeves. They are fiercely independent.


    "The Americans will go, the foreigners will go, but we will always be responsible for defending ourselves," said Haji Sediq, an elderly former warrior who fought the Russians and lost friends to the Taliban. He sat next to the rusted remains of a Soviet tank thatPanjshiris keep as a reminder of outside threats.
    Among the fiercest advocates of rearming is Ismail Khan, a former Northern Alliance commander and Panjshiri ally. Khan, 65, a Tajik, was forced out by Karzai as the self-appointed emir of Herat province in western Afghanistan, and he seethes with resentment.




    With his thick white beard, piercing eyes and white robes, Khan is a forbidding figure as he speaks in a drawing room of his heavily guarded Kabul compound. The U.S.-trained Afghan military can't defeat the Taliban, he said, without the backing of mujahedin militias like his own.
    "I have thousands and thousands of people loyal to me, and it is their duty to be well-armed," Khan said. "It's not just the Panjshiris, but all the people of Afghanistan who want to take up weapons in our country's fight against the Taliban."
    At a rally in Herat last year, Khan exhorted his followers to rearm, recruit new fighters and rebuild militia commands.
    Khan is a candidate for vice president in the April election. His presidential running mate is Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, a former Northern Alliance warlord and extremist Islamist cleric and Taliban foe who has been accused of war crimes. Sayyaf also advocates rearming militias.
    A former top security advisor to Karzai agrees that Panjshiris are stockpiling weapons and says they have opened up arms pipelines to India and Russia.
    "Karzai long ago lost the Northern Alliance — politically, not militarily. Not yet," the former advisor said. "These people are well-armed, with access to heavy weapons."
    If the security pact with the United States is not signed, the advisor said, "you'll see the weapons come out."
    In Panjshir, former mujahedin say the Taliban will never penetrate their enclave. But like many other Afghans, they worry about a Taliban resurgence if the security pact fails or the election goes badly.
    In May, seven Taliban suicide bombers detonated explosives at the provincial government and police center in Bazarak, the Panjshiri provincial capital. The Afghan army was so concerned this summer about a Taliban incursion from neighboring Warduj district that it mounted a major strike force to beat back advancing insurgents.
    The Afghan military "could not allow the Taliban to gain influence in Warduj," the senior coalition officer said. "It feeds into the northeast end of the Panjshir Valley, which feeds directly into Kabul."
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    Panjshiris long for the past and complain that lesser warlords abandoned the province to amass fortunes in Kabul, and that the U.S. has failed to provide roads, schools and clinics. Panjshiris also resent Americans for renaming their militias, initially called the United Islamic Front, to mask their religious foundation.
    In Bazarak, Habibul Rahman, 45, said America had done nothing for Panjshir, while failing to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda. He mentioned schools, a hospital and soccer stadium he said were built by the Karzai government thanks to early Panjshiri influence in Kabul.



    Told that local projects were financed by billions of dollars in U.S. and international aid, Rahman seemed surprised. Then he shrugged and said, "OK, the Americans built us a road, but it's already full of holes."
    As a mujahid, Rahman said, he fought the Taliban to keep it from overrunning Panjshir. Now, he said, Panjshiris are ready to take up arms again.
    "The Americans? They should leave," he said. "We're the ones who will destroy the Taliban."

  • #2
    Panjshiris dominated Karzai's first government in the early 2000s. Ninety of the first 100 army generals appointed by the first defense minister, Panjshiri warlord Mohammad Qasim Fahim, were Panjshiris.


    "The Panjshiris are very special people when it comes to defending their homeland."

    Among the fiercest advocates of rearming is Ismail Khan, a former Northern Alliance commander and Panjshiri ally. Khan, 65, a Tajik, was forced out by Karzai as the self-appointed emir of Herat province in western Afghanistan, and he seethes with resentment.


    A former top security advisor to Karzai agrees that Panjshiris are stockpiling weapons and says they have opened up arms pipelines to India and Russia.

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    • #3
      ^So judging but what you are saying, Panjshiers are first class watan forosh!
      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

      -Old Pashtun proverb




      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shah-i-Kot View Post
        Panjshiris dominated Karzai's first government in the early 2000s. Ninety of the first 100 army generals appointed by the first defense minister, Panjshiri warlord Mohammad Qasim Fahim, were Panjshiris.


        "The Panjshiris are very special people when it comes to defending their homeland."

        Among the fiercest advocates of rearming is Ismail Khan, a former Northern Alliance commander and Panjshiri ally. Khan, 65, a Tajik, was forced out by Karzai as the self-appointed emir of Herat province in western Afghanistan, and he seethes with resentment.

        A former top security advisor to Karzai agrees that Panjshiris are stockpiling weapons and says they have opened up arms pipelines to India and Russia.
        Panjshiris are not very good defenders of their homeland. The Taliban were on the brink of taking it before 911. Masood made agreements with the Russians to leave each other alone and both concentrate on Pashtun insurgency and Pashtun tribesmen took it over with no resistance back in 1929. Their leaders are incompetent, what they are doing is breeding resentment from their countrymen by being to power hungry.

        This whole arming themselves has more to do with how much reliability they have with the ANA. They tried their best to turn the ANA as their own army but judging from their actions they have failed.

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        • #5
          These punjsheris are like punjabis in pakistan.They dominate everything.
          Lets see what happen.
          I am not in favor of another war between afghans cus only poor people will suffer not these people.
          Karzai ,s govt was under the warlord influence and thats the reason could,nt build strong army.
          One ethnic group can,nt control afghanistan.
          Karzai was the pupet of northren allaince .He spend all the money in northren afghanistan.



          Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

          pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
          be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
          gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
          be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
          hamza baba
          پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
            ^So judging but what you are saying, Panjshiers are first class watan forosh!
            Those are quotations from the article, not my words lol

            I reposted those parts for comical reasons. Like anyone believes Panjsheris defend their homeland..lol

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            • #7
              Originally posted by khushal View Post
              Panjshiris are not very good defenders of their homeland. The Taliban were on the brink of taking it before 911. Masood made agreements with the Russians to leave each other alone and both concentrate on Pashtun insurgency and Pashtun tribesmen took it over with no resistance back in 1929. Their leaders are incompetent, what they are doing is breeding resentment from their countrymen by being to power hungry.

              This whole arming themselves has more to do with how much reliability they have with the ANA. They tried their best to turn the ANA as their own army but judging from their actions they have failed.
              Agreed. I dont think the Tajik militias can hold Panjshir for more than 2-3 months even with weapon supplies from Russia, India, or Iran. It will fall.

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              • #8
                "The Panjshiris are very special people when it comes to defending their homeland."

                Do I really need to say LOL or LMAO ? I aint no kid, it should be understood.

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                • #9


                  nuff said
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #10
                    Randolph,

                    I wish I could do these one liners like you with the picture with people I have to interact with. I wish I could replace verbal communication with this as my way to communicate with people on a day to day basis.

                    Just imagine that. Someone comes up to you, and you just pull out a picture and then with words written on a placard saying "nuff said."

                    I would laugh so hard.

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                    • #11
                      I wonder how much the Panjsheries pay these writers to write this crap.
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                      • #12
                        lol its so much easier online since i am not articulate when speaking nor have the patience when faced with ignorance.

                        panjshir is a logistical nightmare for a conventional war offensive against the province as evidenced by the russian and taliban failures. as khushal mentioned, the taliban were finally on the brink of taking it after basically taking its surroundings and blockading it.

                        the panjshiri bravado of resisting foreign aggression is as ironic as the kabul administration celebrating independence day. even more so back when karzai was surrounded by american bodyguards lol
                        Last edited by randolph85; 01-05-2014, 01:41 AM.
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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                        • #13
                          [MENTION=5723]Kushan Prince[/MENTION] you may dislike Panjsheris like I do. But give credit where its due. They are far better than Pashtuns in serving their own interests. A very small valley dominated Afghanistan for 10 years. Most of them are millionairs. They have loads of weapons stashed in case things go wrong.

                          Meanwhile, Pashtuns are busy talking nonsense.
                          Originally posted by Firdousi
                          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            @Kushan Prince you may dislike Panjsheris like I do. But give credit where its due. They are far better than Pashtuns in serving their own interests. A very small valley dominated Afghanistan for 10 years. Most of them are millionairs. They have loads of weapons stashed in case things go wrong.

                            Meanwhile, Pashtuns are busy talking nonsense.
                            der kha shamlawar saib
                            well said.



                            Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

                            pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
                            be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
                            gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
                            be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
                            hamza baba
                            پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
                            Pashto Keyboard Online (Afghan) LEXILOGOS >>

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                              [MENTION=5723]Kushan Prince[/MENTION] you may dislike Panjsheris like I do. But give credit where its due. They are far better than Pashtuns in serving their own interests. A very small valley dominated Afghanistan for 10 years. Most of them are millionairs. They have loads of weapons stashed in case things go wrong.

                              Meanwhile, Pashtuns are busy talking nonsense.
                              serving their own intrests? lol massoud and his panjsheri gang were notable for working with russians and letting them set up posts in the province. Most of them are millionares because they work with the americans. They flood the government cabinets because karzai kissing up to farsiwans.
                              "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                              -Old Pashtun proverb




                              "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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