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  • #46
    Originally posted by Shah-i-Kot View Post
    The Islamic political parties in Bangladesh are considered a threat to the secular government because of their upsurge in support. Jamaat has handed out many social services, has schools, clinics, and hospitals- basic services that Hasina's government is unable to meet.

    This state execution was politically motivated to send a message.
    Do you know how many seats/support JI got in the last elections if they are so popular! just 1%.

    Muslim political parties are only popular in Pashtun parts of the world where JI, JUI, Jamiate Islami, Hizbe Islmai get votes or support. No where except Egypt Islamic parties got any overwhelming response with success.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Badlun View Post
      Do you know how many seats/support JI got in the last elections if they are so popular! just 1%.

      Muslim political parties are only popular in Pashtun parts of the world where JI, JUI, Jamiate Islami, Hizbe Islmai get votes or support. No where except Egypt Islamic parties got any overwhelming response with success.
      The Hasina government rigged the election. They completely banned Islamic political parties from participating in elections recently too.

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      • #48
        Ikhwanul mufsideen and jamaate ghaire Islami may not be the same thing but they both have many similarities. They consider one another as equals and their founders and leaders are source of inspiration for both parties.

        However, both of them are thoroughly corrup and both of them share a few common traits. They are prepared to violate the laws of sharia for political purposes.

        Lying, cheating, befriending Kufar and helping kufar against Muslim in order to gain power and influence are some of those traits.

        Deobandis, Salafis and many other orthodox Islamic movements hate Ikhwanis and jamaatis because of their teachery and secular ideas.
        Originally posted by Firdousi
        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
              Ikhwanul mufsideen and jamaate ghaire Islami may not be the same thing but they both have many similarities. They consider one another as equals and their founders and leaders are source of inspiration for both parties.

              However, both of them are thoroughly corrup and both of them share a few common traits. They are prepared to violate the laws of sharia for political purposes.

              Lying, cheating, befriending Kufar and helping kufar against Muslim in order to gain power and influence are some of those traits.

              Deobandis, Salafis and many other orthodox Islamic movements hate Ikhwanis and jamaatis because of their teachery and secular ideas.
              discusting how you bearded monkeys hate raping and killing each other for your crazy sects and fashism seeing in this bullshiat pride,playing with islam like a toy.using emotional hate to bring innocent people to your movement to create more hate and divide stuff this makes you bearded monkeys happy maybe thats why the brain of this dude comes out from his mouth still smiling yeah but blame the secularist lol.discusting nekrophili mullahs like you should die and not the innocent souls that you poisined with your ideology.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                Ikhwanul mufsideen and jamaate ghaire Islami may not be the same thing but they both have many similarities. They consider one another as equals and their founders and leaders are source of inspiration for both parties.

                However, both of them are thoroughly corrup and both of them share a few common traits. They are prepared to violate the laws of sharia for political purposes.

                Lying, cheating, befriending Kufar and helping kufar against Muslim in order to gain power and influence are some of those traits.

                Deobandis, Salafis and many other orthodox Islamic movements hate Ikhwanis and jamaatis because of their teachery and secular ideas.
                Since you're a member of the Wahhabist contingency here; one should not throw stones in glass houses.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #53
                  Shamlawar hates the Ikhwan because they pose a threat to his paymasters, the saud regime.

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                  • #54
                    The following is a translation of the last letter written by the recently
                    martyred Islamic leader in Bangladesh
                    .

                    Last Letter of Al-Shaheed
                    ( May Allah permit ) Abdul Kader Mollah to his wife.Bismillah Ar Rahman
                    Ar RaheemMy dear life partner, my beloved,Assalamu Alaikum wa
                    RahmatullahToday the complete verdict has been published. As soon as the
                    verdict reaches the jail,tonight or tomorrow, I will probably be moved to
                    the execution ward. This is the rule.This government’s term is coming
                    to an end. So, in their final moments they may rush to carry out this
                    heinous act quickly. I do not think that they will accept the review
                    petition that has been filed. And even if they accept the review
                    petition, they are unlikely to reverse the verdict – according to the
                    matters of this world. If Allah the Exalted Himself intervened against
                    their judgment, then it would be a different matter.But according to the
                    eternal rules of Allah, He does not always intervene in this manner. Many
                    Prophets were unjustly killed by disbelievers. The noble companions of
                    our noble Messenger (s), including female companions, were killed with
                    extreme cruelty. Surely Allah exchanged those martyrs to grant victory to
                    the truth, to Islam. There is no way to predict what Allah will do in my
                    case. Yesterday’s visit by Sujata Singh, India's foreign secretary, to
                    the Awami League did not just embolden them, but also squeezed Hussain
                    Muhammad Ershad. And warned them of the potential of the Jamaat and
                    allies to come to power. The fear and hatred against the Jamaat and
                    allies is evident in the very blood of India. I have said from the very
                    beginning that all the steps taken by the government against us were
                    entirely calculated in India. Even if Awami League wants, they cannot
                    back out of this. Because they have assumed power in exchange for
                    surrendering sovereignty.Many have raised questions about principles and
                    laws. Given the outrageous manner in which all the Jamaat leaders,
                    including myself, have been wrongly condemned, and the manner in which
                    most of our nation’s media have helped the government, what need does
                    the government have of principles and laws? When the judges themselves,
                    intoxicated with killing, eagerly play the role of executioners to
                    innocent people; then fair judicial process cannot be expected, at least
                    not from them.Yesterday, I read again verses 17-24 of Sura Tawba. In
                    verse 19, jihad with one’s life and wealth has been given a higher
                    honor even than taking care of the sacred Kaaba and giving water to the
                    pilgrims. Those who die fighting injustice, attempting to establish a
                    just system given by Allah, attempting to establish Islam, have been
                    promised a higher honor by Allah Himself. If Allah Himself wishes to seat
                    me on an honorable throne in Jannah, then I must embrace such a death.
                    Wrongful death at the hands of the oppressor confirmed ticket to
                    Jannah.Perhaps in 1966, the tyrant ruler of Egypt hanged Syed Qutb and
                    Abdul Kader Awda and many others. I heard many speeches at training camps
                    entitled “The Trial by Fire for the Islamic Movement”. On several
                    occasions, I saw Professor Ghulam Azam point at his neck with his hand
                    and say, “this rope can fall on this neck”. I also sometimes made a
                    similar point in my speeches. Now if Allah decides to advance me and
                    Islam while defeating the oppressors, then what harm can come of it? In
                    explaining the honor of the martyr, our noble Messenger (s) expressed the
                    desire to become a martyr and come back to life just so he could become a
                    martyr again repeatedly. Those who become martyrs will have only the
                    desire to come back to life only for the sake of becoming a martyr again.
                    The words of Allah are true, the words of Muhammad (s) are true. No one
                    who doubts this can have Iman.If they implement their decision, they are
                    unlikely to allow my funeral in Dhaka city. If it is possible arrange for
                    my funeral in my village at the local masjid. If the people from
                    districts on the other side of the Padma river want to
                    join my funeral, let them come to our place. Please share the news with
                    them. I have already told you about my grave. Bury me at my mother’s
                    feet. There should be no bidah of paving my grave or any jahil ceremony.
                    To the extent possible give charity to the orphanage. Provide assistance
                    to the families that have been damaged due to their participation in the
                    Islamic movement. Especially give precedence to the poor families of
                    those who became martyrs while protesting my arrest and my death
                    sentence.Make sure Hassan Mowdud finishes his studies and arrange for his
                    marriage. The same for Nazneen.Sweetheart, my beloved,I have been unable
                    to fulfill your rights and of our children properly. Please forgive me
                    for this in the hopes that Allah might reward you. I have prayed
                    especially for you that Allah reunite me with you when you have fulfilled
                    the needs of the children and of the deen of Allah. Now I ask you to pray
                    for me that Allah removes all the love in my heart for this world and
                    fills my chest with love for Allah and the noble Messenger (s). If Allah
                    wills, we shall meet at the entrance to Jannah.Constantly advise our
                    children to only eat halal. Be mindful of the fard and wajib, especially
                    the prayers. Give the same advice to our relatives. Comfort my father as
                    long as he lives.Your beloved,Abdul Kadir Mollahশহীদ
                    আব্দুল কাদের মোল্লার শেষ
                    চিঠি (স্ত্রীকে লেখা)

                    বিসমিল্লাহির রহমানির
                    রাহীম।

                    প্রিয়তমা জীবন সাথী পেয়ারী,
                    আসসালামু আলাইকুম ওয়া
                    রাহমাতুল্লাহ।

                    আজ পূর্ণাঙ্গ রায় প্রকাশিত
                    হওয়ার পর খুব সম্ভব আগামী
                    রাত বা আগামীকাল জেলগেটে
                    আদেশ পৌছানোর পরই ফাঁসির
                    সেলে আমাকে নিয়ে যেতে পারে।
                    এটাই নিয়ম।

                    সরকারের সম্ভবত শেষ সময়। তাই
                    শেষ সময়ে তারা এই জঘন্য
                    কাজটি দ্রুত করে ফেলার
                    উদ্যোগ নিতে পারে। আমার মনে
                    হচ্ছে তারা রিভিউ পিটিশন
                    গ্রহণ করবে না। যদি করেও
                    তাহলে তাদের রায়ের কোন
                    পরিবর্তন হওয়ার দুনিয়ার
                    দৃষ্টিতে কোন সম্ভাবনা নেই।
                    মহান আল্লাহ যদি নিজেই এই
                    সিদ্ধান্ত বাস্তবায়নের
                    ইচ্ছার বিরুদ্ধে তার
                    সিদ্ধান্ত কার্যকর
                    করেন,তাহলে ভিন্ন কথা। অথচ
                    আল্লাহর চিরন্তন
                    নিয়মানুযায়ী সব সময় এমনটা
                    করেন না। অনেক নবীকেও তো
                    অন্যায়ভাবে কাফেররা হত্যা
                    করেছে। রাসূলে করীম (স এর
                    সাহাবায়ে কেরাম এমনকি মহিলা
                    সাহাবীকেও অত্যন্ত
                    নিষ্ঠুরভাবে হত্যা করেছে।
                    আল্লাহ অবশ্য ঐ সমস্ত
                    শাহাদাতের বিনিময়ে সত্য বা
                    ইসলামকে বিজয়ী করার কাজে
                    ব্যবহার করেছেন। আমার
                    ব্যাপারে আল্লাহ কি করবেন তা
                    তো জানার উপায় নেই।

                    গতকাল ভারতের পররাষ্ট্র
                    সচিব সুজাতা সিং এসে আওয়ামী
                    লীগকে শুধু সাহসই দেন নাই,
                    হুসেইন মুহাম্মাদ এরশাদকে
                    চাপও দিয়েছেন। এবং সতর্ক
                    করার জন্য জামায়াত শিবিরের
                    ক্ষমতায় আসার ভয়ও
                    দেখিয়েছেন। এতে বুঝা যায় যে
                    জামায়াত এবং শিবির ভীতি এবং
                    বিদ্বেষ ভারতের প্রতি
                    রক্তকনায় কিভাবে সঞ্চারিত।
                    আমি তো গোড়া থেকেই বলে আসছি,
                    আমাদের বিরুদ্ধে সরকার যেসব
                    পদক্ষেপ নিচ্ছে এটার সবটা
                    ছকই ভারতের অঙ্কন করা।
                    আওয়ামী লীগ চাইলে এখান থেকে
                    পেছাতে পারবে না। কারণ তারা
                    ভারতের কাছে আত্মসমর্পনের
                    বিনিময়েই এবার ক্ষমতায়
                    পেয়েছে।

                    অনেকেই নীতি নৈতিকতার
                    প্রশ্নে কথা বলেন, আমাকে সহ
                    জামায়াতের সকলকে সম্পূর্ণ
                    অন্যায়ভাবে যে কায়দায় জড়ানো
                    হয়েছে এবং আমাদের দেশের
                    প্রেসের প্রায় সবগুলোই
                    সরকারকে অন্যায় কাজে
                    সহযোগিতা করছে, তাতে সরকারের
                    পক্ষে নীতি নৈতিকতার আর
                    দরকার কি?বিচারকরাই স্বয়ং
                    যেখানে জল্লাদের ভূমিকায়
                    অত্যন্ত আগ্রহভাবে নিরপরাধ
                    মানুষকে হত্যার নেশায় মেতে
                    উঠেছে তাতে স্বাভাবিক ন্যায়
                    বিচারের আশা অন্তত এদের কাছ
                    থেকে করা কোনক্রমেই সমীচিন
                    নয়। তবে একটি আফসোস, যে
                    আমাদেরকে বিশেষ করে আমাকে যে
                    সম্পূর্ণ অন্যায়ভাবে
                    মৃত্যুদন্ডাদেশ দেয়া হয়েছে,
                    তা জাতির সামনে বলে যেতে
                    পারলাম না। গণমাধ্যম বৈরী
                    থাকায় এটা পুরাপুরি সম্ভবও
                    নয়। তবে জাতি পৃথিবীর
                    ন্যায়পন্থী মানুষ অবশ্যই
                    জানবে এবং আমার মৃত্যু এই
                    জালেম সরকারের পতনের কারণ
                    হয়ে ইসলামী আন্দোলন অনেক দূর
                    এগিয়ে যাবে ইনশাআল্লাহ।

                    কালই সূরা আত-তাওবার ১৭ থেকে
                    ২৪ আয়াত আবার পড়লাম। ১৯ নং
                    আয়াতে পবিত্র কাবা ঘরের
                    খেদমত এবং হাজীদের পানি পান
                    করানোর চাইতে মাল ও জান দিয়ে
                    জেহাদকারীদের মর্যাদা অনেক
                    বেশি বলা হয়েছে। অর্থাৎ
                    স্বাভাবিক মৃত্যুর চাইতে
                    অন্যায়ের বিরুদ্ধে আল্লাহর
                    দেয়া ন্যায়ভিত্তিক
                    ব্যবস্থা অর্থাৎ ইসলাম
                    প্রতিষ্ঠার জেহাদে
                    মৃত্যুবরণকারীদের আল্লাহর
                    কাছে অতি উচ্চ মর্যাদার কথা
                    আল্লাহ স্বয়ং উল্লেখ
                    করেছেন। আল্লাহ নিজেই যদি
                    আমাকে জান্নাতের মর্যাদার
                    আসনে বসাতে চান তাহলে আমার
                    এমন মৃত্যুকে আলিঙ্গণ করার
                    জন্য প্রস্তুত থাকা উচিত।
                    কারণ জালেমের হাতে
                    অন্যায়ভাবে মৃত্যু তো
                    জান্নাতের কনফার্ম টিকেট।

                    সম্ভবতঃ ১৯৬৬ সালে মিসরের
                    জালেম শাসক কর্নেল নামের
                    সাইয়্যেদ কুতুব,আব্দুল
                    কাদের আওদাসহ অনেককে ফাঁসি
                    দিয়েছিলেন। “ইসলামী
                    আন্দোলনের অগ্নি পরীক্ষা”
                    নামক বিষয়ে বিভিন্ন শিক্ষা
                    শিবিরে বক্তব্য শুনেছি।
                    একাধিক বক্তব্যে অধ্যাপক
                    গোলাম আযম সাহেব বাম হাতটা
                    গলার কাছে নিয়ে প্রায়ই
                    বলতেন, ‘ঐ রশি তো এই গলায়ও
                    পড়তে পারে’। আমারও হাত
                    কয়েকবার গলার কাছে গিয়েছে।
                    এবার আল্লাহ যদি তার
                    সিদ্ধান্ত আমার এবং ইসলামের
                    অগ্রগতির সাথে সাথে জালেমের
                    পতনের জন্য কার্যকর করেন,
                    তাহলে ক্ষতি কি? শহীদের
                    মর্যাদার কথা বলতে গিয়ে
                    রাসূলে করিম (সঃ) বারবার
                    জীবিত হয়ে বারবার শহীদ হওয়ার
                    কামনা ব্যক্ত করেছেন। যারা
                    শহীদ হবেন,জান্নাতে গিয়ে
                    তারাও আবার জীবন এবং শাহাদাত
                    কামনা করবেন। আল্লাহর কথা
                    সত্য, মুহাম্মদ (সঃ) এর কথা
                    সত্য। এ ব্যাপারে সন্দেহ
                    করলে ঈমান থাকে না।

                    এরা যদি সিদ্ধান্ত কার্যকর
                    করে ফেলে তাহলে ঢাকায় আমার
                    জানাযার কোন সুযোগ নাও দিতে
                    পারে। যদি সম্ভব হয় তাহলে
                    মহল্লার মসজিদে এবং বাড়িতে
                    জানাযার ব্যবস্থা করবে।
                    পদ্মার ওপারের জেলাগুলোর
                    লোকেরা যদি জানাযায় শরীক হতে
                    চায়, তাহলে আমাদের বাড়ীর
                    এলাকায়ই যেন আসে। তাদেরকে
                    অবশ্যই খবর দেয়া দরকার।

                    কবরের ব্যাপারে তো আগেই
                    বলেছি আমার মায়ের পায়ের
                    কাছে। কোন জৌলুষপূর্ণ
                    অনুষ্ঠান বা কবরের বাধানোর
                    মত বেদআত যেন না করা হয়।
                    সাধ্যানুযায়ী ইয়াতিম খানায়
                    কিছু দান খয়রাত করবে। ইসলামী
                    আন্দোলনে ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত
                    পরিবারকে সাহায্য সহযোগিতা
                    করবে। বিশেষ করে আমার
                    গ্রেফতার এবং রায়ের কারণে
                    যারা শহীদ হয়েছে, অভাবগ্রস্থ
                    হলে ঐসব পরিবারকে সাহায্য
                    সহযোগিতার ব্যাপারে
                    অগ্রাধিকার দিতে হবে।
                    হাসান মওদূদের পড়াশুনা এবং
                    তা শেষ হলে অতি দ্রুত বিবাহ
                    শাদীর ব্যবস্থা করবে।
                    নাজনীনের ব্যাপারেও একই
                    কথা।

                    পেয়ারী, হে পেয়ারী,
                    তোমাদের এবং ছেলেমেয়ের অনেক
                    হকই আদায় করতে পারিনি।
                    আল্লাহর কাছে পুরষ্কারের
                    আশায় আমাকে মাফ করে দিও।
                    তোমার জন্য বিশেষভাবে দোয়া
                    করেছি যদি সন্তান-সন্ততি এবং
                    আল্লাহর দ্বীনের জন্য
                    প্রয়োজন ফুরিয়ে গেলে আল্লাহ
                    যেন আমার সাথে তোমার মিলিত
                    হওয়ার ব্যবস্থা করেন। এখন
                    তুমি দোয়া করো,যাতে আমাকে
                    দুনিয়ার সমস্ত মায়া-মহব্বত
                    আল্লাহ আমার মন থেকে নিয়ে
                    শুধু আল্লাহ এবং রাসূলে করীম
                    (সঃ) এর মহব্বত দিয়ে আমার
                    সমস্ত বুকটা ভরে দেন।
                    ইনশাআল্লাহ, জান্নাতের
                    সিড়িতে দেখা হবে।

                    সন্তানদেরকে সবসময় হালাল
                    খাওয়ার পরামর্শ দিবে। ফরজ,
                    ওয়াজিব, বিশেষ করে নামাজের
                    ব্যাপারে বিশেষভাবে সকলেই
                    যত্মবান হবে।
                    আত্মীয়-স্বজনদেরকেও অনুরূপ
                    পরামর্শ দিবে। আব্বা যদি
                    ততদিন জীবিত থাকেন তাকে
                    সান্তনা দিবে।

                    তোমাদেরই প্রিয়
                    আব্দুল কাদের মোল্লা

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                      One survived to see justice


                      Tuhin Shubhra Adhikary

                      Not even a two-year-old boy was spared by Abdul Quader Mollah and his cohorts.

                      They killed the boy, slamming him on the floor, slit the throats of his mother and two sisters, and raped his two other sisters, one of whom died from her wounds.
                      All but one member of the family were killed just because Hazrat Ali Laskar, the father and a tailor by profession, was a supporter of the Awami League and Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.

                      More than 42 years later, justice was finally delivered and Mollah, the infamous “Mirpurer Koshai” (Butcher of Mirpur), was executed at 10:01 last night.

                      The Supreme Court in its verdict, released on December 5, said the manner in which Mollah had led the killers in the planned murder of Laskar and his family members “exceeded all norms of humanity”.
                      The lone survivor of the massacre was one of Laskar’s daughters, then just 13 years old and a newly wed. She testified before International Crimes Tribunal-2 against Mollah last year behind closed doors.
                      The Daily Star is not divulging her identity for obvious reasons.
                      She told the court her father rushed back to their Kalapani Lane home in Mirpur-12 from work around dusk on March 26, 1971.
                      He was saying Quader Mollah would kill him.

                      Laskar closed the door and said Mollah, Akhtar Gunda, his Bihari (non-Bangalee) accomplices and the Pakistan army were chasing him, the 55-year-old witness told the court. The entire family was home.
                      The witness and her sister Amena hid under the bed as asked by their father.
                      She then heard Mollah and the Biharis approaching the door. They shouted, “Son of a b****, open the door, otherwise we will hurl bombs.”
                      As her father refused to open the door, they exploded a bomb. When her mother, holding a kitchen knife, opened the door, they shot her, said the witness.
                      When Laskar tried to hold his wife, Mollah grabbed him by the collar, and said, “Son of a p**, will you not support the Awami League now? Will you not follow Bangabandhu? Will you not chant the slogan ‘Joy Bangla’?”
                      Her father then begged Mollah and Akhtar Gunda to spare him, but Mollah dragged her father out of the room while his accomplices slit the throats of her mother and two sisters — Khodeja and Taslima — with a machete.
                      When her two-year-old brother Babu started crying, they killed the boy by slamming him on the floor, she said.

                      Hearing Babu’s cries, her sister Amena began to whimper. They then dragged Amena from under the bed and tortured her to death, she said.
                      They also dragged the witness out. She lost consciousness after she was hit with something sharp.

                      When she regained consciousness, she felt severe pain in the abdomen, and found her clothes all torn.
                      She managed to walk to a house at Fakirbari, where she was given first aid. Her father-in-law took her to his home the following day, said the witness.
                      At the last part of her testimony, she identified Mollah, who was in the dock. She said, “He [Mollah] was young then … He used to wear a Panjabi. I want to ask him where my father is.”

                      The tribunal on February 5 sentenced him to life imprisonment for killing her father and family members. The Supreme Court on September 17 sentenced the Jamaat-e-Islami leader to death, overruling the verdict of Tribunal-2.
                      The verdict of the Supreme Court bench noted that Mollah never showed any repentance for his acts and neither had his counsels prayed for the minimum sentence. “There is no cogent ground to take a lenient view in awarding the sentence,” it said.

                      Bench member Justice AHM Shamsuddin Choudhury Manik observed, “In my view his culpability is in no way less than that of any of the 11 people that were hanged on 6th October 1946 pursuant to the conviction Nuremberg Tribunal passed or that of Ajmal Kasab, who was sent to the gallows by the Indian courts notwithstanding that the death sentence is an exception in India.”

                      One survived to see justice


                      ]
                      1.Razakars were formed in May '71. Al Shams and Al Badr even later.

                      2.It is impossible to imagine Molla or any Bengalee approaching anywhere near Mirpur which was a Bihari inhabited locality on 26 March '71.

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                      • #56
                        I did say I wouldn't post here, in this thread, but my forum account notified me being quoted by [MENTION=3580]asad71[/MENTION] bhai,


                        1. Asad71 is a hero of the 1971 war and a former freedom fighter who I have known for a couple of years. There are some here who have never picked up a gun let a lone been on the battlefied and seen blood.

                        So I respect him immensely as one of those brave heroes that gave me the free and independent state of Bangladesh which is now my proud home.


                        2. Contrary to what some think here, he is a Bangladeshi nationalist and deserves that title more than I do as he has done incomparably far more for our beloved motherland than I ever have. However he views India as now the current main threat to Bangladesh - which is actually true - and thus sees a strong Pakistan as a useful counter to India in South Asia.

                        3. I cannot comment on the full details of the Kader Molla case, but thanks for giving us valuable information Asad bhai.

                        However I can say that for those Pakistanis who glorify Kader Molla, if it is true that he apparently claimed in the trial that he fought against Pakistan (so in your eyes a "traitor"). If he did he would be a "traitor" for Pakistani nationalists, if he didn't he is a liar.

                        Jamaat e Islami, however is an anti-Bangladeshi party which was banned in th e past but only unbanned partly due to Saudi pressure.

                        Jamaat e Islami, has never admitted or apologized for its war crimes despite everybody in the small land mass knowing the full horror and depravity of what they did.

                        However though Jamaat e Islami is a radical fundamentalist organization which has been banned and has had its leaders blacklisted by the US and UK for extremism, the trials have not been fair and have fallen short of required norms. This is totally unacceptable.

                        Anyway the Hasina regime's days are doomed, they will be kicked out whatever happens in the coming months.
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                        • #57
                          I have read the letter word by word with tears in my eyes. Why not the Muslims simply understand that they should not mix religion with politics. Let the politicians do their job. A family lost their father and husband because of Islamism.

                          Why in 1971 they mixed religion. Why not it was dealt as a struggle of independence of a people and not siding with others because of religious sentiments.

                          One thing is true, either the judiciary and supreme court of Bangladesh or the Islamic movement depicted in the heart-dissolving letter of Molla.

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                          • #58
                            Secularism is system of the devil. A system of barbarism. To impose the evil ideas of secularists by force.
                            Secularism is not acceptable to Muslims. Its a contrary system to the justice system of Islam. Secularism is actually the new world order of the dajjaal.

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                            • #59
                              1. It is not possible to explain in these confines the trauma a man faces under these circumstances- be he a soldier or a common man. A man should be respected to stand by his beliefs. Maj Rahman, FF Regt, of Joydevpur,BD, had received a posthumous SJ in Kashmir in '71 - his second. He had won his first SJ in the same battalion in '65.Another Bengalee NCO with a Punjab unit in'71 had won a posthumous TJ -although he was recommended for a NH.

                              2. A Bengalee truly believing in the ideology of Pakistan cannot be condemned only for his belief. However, those who have committed crimes whether wearing an uniform or otherwise deserve no mercy. Those who had planned and prosecuted the '71 genocide and their local agents/abettors also do not deserve any mercy at all. The French had done the intelligent thing by eliminating all German collaborators when the iron was hot.

                              3. People like Yahya, Bhuto,Tikka,Niazi,Mithha,Umar, Rao Farman Ali and the rest of the 195 identified war criminals are disgrace to humanity. They are disgrace to the uniform they wore or the flag they served under. Indira Gandhi had let them off under a false promise by Bhutto that they would be tried in Pakistan.

                              4. Sheikh was not clear in pardoning the local Collaborators. Collaborators are different from War Criminals. He should have listed out cabinet ministers in Tikka Khan/Dr Malek's cabinet for punishment.The list of all Razakar/alShams/alBadr commanders should also have been published for punishment where necessary.Similarly Peace Committee members and pro occupation forces officials in Intel, Police and civil admin. There were many among those who had aided us covertly. Many Razakars had come over to our side with weapon after receiving training.

                              5. BAL Home Minister MOKHA Alamgir was a total collaborator who had aided the occupation forces in their misdeed till the end. Another similar civil servant was BAL MP Ashiq. Minister Musharraf's dad was a collaborator who had been jailed. Musharraf's son is married to Hasina's only daughter Putul.

                              6.There is no black and white in this story of human tragedy and atrocity. There is a large grey space with various shades.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                                BarakzaiAbdali do you think the alleged connection between the Ikhwan Al Muslimeen and the Jama'at-i-Islami; i.e. the one being suggested in the thread, has been established ....or is this blown up propagandizing with a bunch of commentary used to pull at emotions more than evidence?

                                What is your feedback on all these allegations against Morsi, Ikhwan and Erdogan?
                                No, I dont think the connection has been established. I believe the concept of "convergent evolution" is a better way to describe the genesis of these groups' ideologies. Similar pressures (e.g. Mawdudi was venemously anti Marxist/Secular Nationalist, Morsi and Erdogan also had to deal with their own brand of the same, Abdal Azzam had probably witnessed the PLOs progression) resulted in similar sounding political approaches.

                                I also base this on the aforementioned facts I cited:

                                1) Jamaat, if it is in the Saudi pocket would no be collaborating with
                                2) Erdogan because he worked with Lula to try and work out a deal with Iran so that Turkey could give gold for oil.
                                3) Salafists of some variety worked with Al Sissi to uproot the Morsi government.
                                4) Saudi heavily backs Al Sissi

                                So there are numerous apparent contradictions.

                                Regarding those of the rank and file reading excerpts and works of other groups... so what?

                                I have read the Satanic Verses (a trashy book) through and through - does that mean Rushdie and I are friends?

                                CIA Analysts also read Qutb - and it would not be farfetched for a Muslim to read another prominent Muslims work, especially in the era of the printing press.

                                However, we must be careful in taking the popularity and wins of Morsi and his government and Erdogan/AKP and superimposing such acceptance on the Bengali Jamaat which apparently, as I read in the Nation, has a popularity level of ~4% on average over its political lifetime with some spikes and ebbs.

                                I think the following Bengali academic sums up the environment of these trails and bans in the best way I can describe:

                                "Taking a slightly different approach, Dr. Amena Mohsin, a senior academic and political analyst at Dhaka University, feels that the premise for banning Jamaat is wrong. Speaking with The Diplomat, she said she is not sure whether “the charter of Jamaat is ground enough to ban the party.” She continued, “If the court had banned Jamaat for its criminal activities in 1971, it would have been a justifiable move. But the ground (being used now to ban) the organization – I find them contradictory.”
                                She added that “secular democracy accommodates all kinds of ideological parties. This kind of system gives you space. It is up to the people to accept a party or not.”

                                Another rather stark historical difference even between the Saudi government and the Ikhwaan is the very historical basis of the Ikhwaan. The ikhwaan originally propelled the Saudi government into power back in the last century, but then when the Saudi monarchs began to parcel out parts of the peninsula's natural resources - this bedouin group was massacred when they tried to salvage Saudi's sovereignty and stop the King.
                                "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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