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[Punjabi]

We are the Majority of Pakistan and we have not imposed our culture or our language on you.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

We are the Majority of Pakistan and we have not imposed our culture or our language on you.

Do you mean panjab? Well then you should read up the 1940 resolution, where each unit was supposed to sovereign and autonomous of the other. So I don't see your point.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Then how does it work? On one hand people say pak resolution day on the other they want to implement it. That is weird.

[karachipashtun]

Speak for yourself BLS

Pashtuns love and are loyal towards Pakistan. you are living inthe west and have forgot back home.

Pakistan zindabad.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Speak for yourself BLS

Pashtuns love and are loyal towards Pakistan. you are living inthe west and have forgot back home.

Pakistan zindabad.

Loll that is the answer to everything "you live in the west". Buddy I study here. I remember clearly. You can love it all you want, but just as I am not speaking for you, you don't speak for me. I won't support a state that has destroyed Pashtuns and adopts anti-pakhtun policies. If I forgot, people like you suffer from stockholme syndrome. Chae bass nasae kawalae ao haqeeqat na manae nu domra ghatta ghatta wael khwand ham na kaee :-). Manana

[khyaal]

Speak for yourself BLS

Pashtuns love and are loyal towards Pakistan. you are living inthe west and have forgot back home.

Pakistan zindabad.

You'r a follower of Altaf Hussain. Better serve Mohajir in Karachi.

[Talal]

Pakistan doesn't have any interest in the lives of Pashtuns. They just use them and their land for their strategic motives and then throw them away like tissue papers. Pashtuns in Pakistan must realise this fact. Any foreign aid like the aid promised in Kerry-Lugar bill is mainly for pashtuns but Pakistan will never use that money over pashtuns or in their land.

And you say that because ? Pakistan has put more money into development of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa than Afghanistan can ever hope to achieve, you guys cant even take care of your own people and you have the audacity to question us ? Pashtuns in Pakistan are Pakistan .. live with it. Kerry Lugar bill is for pashtuns ?? dude Bills dont come for specific regions ? Kerry Lugar is supposed to somehow supplement the 40 Billion dollar cost that Pakistan has paid into fighting insurgents that Afghanistan is allowing India to send into Pakistan

Yes those sons of the Bureaucrats and Army Officers. They were happy back then even during the British rule when common people were under persecution for struggling for their independence.

Sons of this Nation, who are proud pakistanis and will die alongside there brother for this green flag

those tons a lot were from FATA as well....such a beautiful gift for their free patriotism. We have already went through that issue. Inshallah the more Pashtuns get educated about their history, and the more autonomy we get, the more they will discard this artificial identity.

What artificial identity ? Pashtuns have their identity its called Pakistan. Unlike you guys they dont believe in tearing a country apart with civil war and opium

Pashtuns have nothing in common with Pakistan they are like Aliens.

yet they make presidents, Army chiefs, Ministers, Team captains, stars..show me ONE field where Pashtuns haven't proved themselves as Pakistanis.

what are you pakistanis doing to improve your statuses?

They are doing more than what the Afghans have done in the past 100 years

Pakistan is the last thing that deserves the love of Pashtuns. We have given Pakistan everything. What have we got in return?

they make presidents, Army chiefs, Ministers, Team captains, stars..show me ONE field where Pashtuns haven't proved themselves as Pakistanis.

and what have you given to your country ?

Panjabi that place was ours since 16 generations and more. Its not as if we dropped from the sky in 1947 thanks to Pakistan, we were living on our ancestral homeland.

keep living in the past, one would think that you would have learned the lesson by now but obviously not. And to whom belonged thatland before those 16 generations of yours ? arent they the rightful owners or even the people before them or the ones before them ?

Do you mean panjab? Well then you should read up the 1940 resolution, where each unit was supposed to sovereign and autonomous of the other. So I don't see your point.

His point read up 18th resolution that was passed this month

You'r a follower of Altaf Hussain. Better serve Mohajir in Karachi.

And you should check in with ahmedinajad, i hear he still has some books on hitlers philosophy..naturally you would be very interested

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Loll credere. I don`t know whether to laugh at your posts or stay astounded at the sheer stupidity of them.

Pashtuns history and identity predate pakistan. Pakistan is a state, do not confuse it with a nation. By your logic, Pashtuns prior to 1947 had no identity. You are holding on to bare threads. We are concerned with our nation that is Pashtuns-Afghans, oh and btw opium is not something exclusive to our areas. It is a nasty thing that came with the Soviet-Afghan war.

Naming a few personalities will not change the overall reality of Pashtuns. That is called co option. There is a difference. Then again you can`t even read pashto, so how did you go about in this convo?

[Talal]

Loll credere. I don`t know whether to laugh at your posts or stay astounded at the sheer stupidity of them.

Pashtuns history and identity predate pakistan. Pakistan is a state, do not confuse it with a nation. By your logic, Pashtuns prior to 1947 had no identity. You are holding on to bare threads. We are concerned with our nation that is Pashtuns-Afghans, oh and btw opium is not something exclusive to our areas. It is a nasty thing that came with the Soviet-Afghan war.

Naming a few personalities will not change the overall reality of Pashtuns. That is called co option. There is a difference. Then again you can`t even read pashto, so how did you go about in this convo?

Dont worry i dont think your capable of anything except laughing, of facts and logic you have none so id expect nothing less from you. I know pashtun history and identity predates Pakistan, and my point was there ethnicities whose history predates even yours. Your talkin about land and im saying there was someone there before pashtuns wasnt there ? so by your logic it should belong to them. Well no Pakistan belongs to those who fought and bled for it, they drew the borders of this land in their own blood, when you want to claim the land you bring what it takes to claim..till then keep your useless ancient geography to yourself

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Uhmm no genius..you are confusing issues. Saying a pashtun`s identity is pakistani is foolish. You have to take everything into account. And saying someone predated us means little, as Pashtuns had nothing to do with it. We ar talking about Pashtuns, their history, their nation, hence their identity.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Will a pashtun cease to have an identity after Pakistan?

[Talal]

Uhmm no genius..you are confusing issues. Saying a pashtun`s identity is pakistani is foolish. You have to take everything into account. And saying someone predated us means little, as Pashtuns had nothing to do with it. We ar talking about Pashtuns, their history, their nation, hence their identity.

its foolish to you not to those living in Pakistan, and by the logic of your point saying that pashtuns predated pakistan also means little since Bacha Khan was an ardent supporter of the congress and did his best to oppose the idea of Pakistan. The pashtuns who fought and bled for Pakistan have their rightful identity in the form of Pakistan, just like i as a punjabi have mine in the form of Pakistan. so your tantrums mean very little

[khyaal]

And you say that because ? Pakistan has put more money into development of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa than Afghanistan can ever hope to achieve, you guys cant even take care of your own people and you have the audacity to question us ? Pashtuns in Pakistan are Pakistan .. live with it. Kerry Lugar bill is for pashtuns ?? dude Bills dont come for specific regions ? Kerry Lugar is supposed to somehow supplement the 40 Billion dollar cost that Pakistan has paid into fighting insurgents that Afghanistan is allowing India to send into Pakistan

So you mean all that India was the creator of this Taliban game?

Sons of this Nation, who are proud pakistanis and will die alongside there brother for this green flag

Many had already died for the British some even winning Victia Cross.

What artificial identity ? Pashtuns have their identity its called Pakistan. Unlike you guys they dont believe in tearing a country apart with civil war and opium

Because it ocuupies the land of Baloch forcefully in 1948 and also half of Afghan land.

yet they make presidents, Army chiefs, Ministers, Team captains, stars..show me ONE field where Pashtuns haven't proved themselves as Pakistanis.

Then what was wrong with the British rule when. Dr. khan was the chief minister of the province and many pashtuns and indian were in the civil and military bureaucracy back then before 14 august 1947.

they make presidents, Army chiefs, Ministers, Team captains, stars..show me ONE field where Pashtuns haven't proved themselves as Pakistanis.

Many muslim and Pashtuns got high posts even in india

and what have you given to your country ?

Pakistan is an abstraction. It is a composition of federating units, what it can give us? This is our land and people which has given all of their resources to it.

keep living in the past, one would think that you would have learned the lesson by now but obviously not. And to whom belonged thatland before those 16 generations of yours ? arent they the rightful owners or even the people before them or the ones before them ?

And what about your luring dreams of Ummah and and a Punjabi empire control of all of central asia which general Zia had confessed to Selig Harrison in his interview.

And you should check in with ahmedinajad, i hear he still has some books on hitlers philosophy..naturally you would be very interested

Bengalis genocide was comparable to that of Hitler. You killed them in millions.

[Talal]

So you mean all that India was the creator of this Taliban game?

What ? you came up with that after reading all that ? howw ?

Afghans were incapable of fending off the russians, had the russians succeded you would have seen a civil war that would have made Afghanistan under the taliban rule look like a welfare state

Many had already died for the British some even winning Victia Cross.

Your point was objecting the loyalty, and many others died even winning the victoria cross

Because it ocuupies the land of Baloch forcefully in 1948 and also half of Afghan land.

Pakistan has that what rightfully belongs to Pakistanis. Pakistan belongs to the balochs, Pashtuns Punjabis and sindhis alike.. The land they have belong to no other nation. And no state even in their wrong minds would dream of joining Afghanistan right now

Then what was wrong with the British rule when. Dr. khan was the chief minister of the province and many pashtuns and indian were in the civil and military bureaucracy back then before 14 august 1947.

History thats what was wrong, if you want me write down the stories of all the atrocities commited against muslims..My hands would crumble before i can even begin to explain all that.

Many muslim and Pashtuns got high posts even in india

High posts ? How many muslims have been made head of states huh ? When has a muslim been given justice ? Do you forget Gujrat ? They made the man who was responsible for all those riots a frikin misiter. And Babri masjid ? or do you forget the million muslim women who were raped at the hands of hindus and sikhs when Pakistan was made ?

Pakistan is an abstraction. It is a composition of federating units, what it can give us? This is our land and people which has given all of their resources to it.

Pakistan is a country, like every other country it has "provinces/states" and like all other countries it has a consititution that regualtes all the practises within these provinces. There is no us or them, there is one thing pakistanis and thats it.

And what about your luring dreams of Ummah and and a Punjabi empire control of all of central asia which general Zia had confessed to Selig Harrison in his interview.

Pakistan is one of the most revered countries among the muslims, We provide the nuclear umbrella to all the arab nations. It was Pakistan on whose one request, the arabs cut off their oil to the west. Our pilots are stationed in every muslim country. Pakistanis everywhere love their muslim muslim brothers even when others backbite us we still look at all the muslims as our brothers, look at how Pakistanis are treated in Saudi and yet look at how we still care for them just because they are muslims and they have mecca and madina.


And Punjabi empire ? i would love to see you quote Zia on that one. Zia was a butcher, Pakistan is still hurting fromt he damage caused by the likes of him and Musharraf, but we believe in our strength as a nation and our ability to deliver is only surpassed by our reslience

Bengalis genocide was comparable to that of Hitler. You killed them in millions.

Bengal was a nightmare, it shouldnt have been a part of Pakistan in the first place. Nevertheless, India was the root cause of arming the insurgency within bangladesh, pakistan only had one Navy ship in Bangladesh and only one airbase. The riots that happened were unfortunate, but boundaries have to be drawn in blood.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

its foolish to you not to those living in Pakistan, and by the logic of your point saying that pashtuns predated pakistan also means little since Bacha Khan was an ardent supporter of the congress and did his best to oppose the idea of Pakistan. The pashtuns who fought and bled for Pakistan have their rightful identity in the form of Pakistan, just like i as a punjabi have mine in the form of Pakistan. so your tantrums mean very little

Except that bacha khan`s party was genuine and had the support of the masses. They had it up until Pakistan`s creation. Even then you couldn`t muster more than 50.5 % of the vote. More pashtuns bled to not have their division and not to be under british rule. In fact what happened was that the lackey`s of britain, the Muslim league, came in. All the major pashtun individuals who are considered freedom fighters in Pashtun`s history did not give a damn about muslim or pakistan. Bacha Khan, Samad Khan, Faqir i ipi, powindah, etc. The closest you can muster are people like Nishtar...their little movement are nothing compared to sacrifices of Powindah, Faqir, Khudai khidmathgaars, etc.

You may call them tantrums, I don`t care, but these are historical realities, you know a history that Pakistan does not have. Then again I am talking to someone who beleives Bangladesh should have never been part of Pakistan. Ironic considering they gave the most sacrifices to this country, and were its most ardent supporters.