Saudi Arabia to build new Islamic centre in Afghanistan

[Karachi]

^ I am going by their history and what they have done in africa, they basically exploit the poor there and make them in to radicals. You can believe whatever you want, but the evidence is in front of you

Also the reason American schools funded by saudis are not as radicalized is because obviously they live in america and people who attend them are usually more educated compared to those poor countries where they can be easily exploited, but even within America there is suspicions of what these saudi funded schools and centers are teaching. There have been several closures.

[SiiNii]

Does Islam permit the use of Mosques as schools for secular subjects during the hours when prayer is not being held?

[khushal]

dear khushal
care to explain how wahabis are coming?
you guys really think Afghans are that weak?

I was making a joke in referrence to paul revere, but the article states this:

Members of the Saudi and Afghan ministries of religious affairs will run the complex in a joint venture when construction is finally completed on the central Kabul project.

Why does the saudi ministry have to run the complex which also will have a university and hospital attached to it. IF its Aid then it should be without condition. But on the other hand considering how corrupt the afghan governmnet is, the house of saud running it is probably just as bad but I beleive the project is to buy influence in the current Afghan government to counter balance Irans influence. It seems this is just a start. If the Afghan governmnet wasnt so weak and divided, it could use the Saudi/Iran rivalry, Pakistani/India rivalry, US/Russia/China rivalry as leverage for its own people's interest instead of those rivals using Afghanistan as a battle ground.

[khushal]

Does Islam permit the use of Mosques as schools for secular subjects during the hours when prayer is not being held?

what is a secular subject?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^ I am going by their history and what they have done in africa, they basically exploit the poor there and make them in to radicals. You can believe whatever you want, but the evidence is in front of you

Also the reason American schools funded by saudis are not as radicalized is because obviously they live in america and people who attend them are usually more educated compared to those poor countries where they can be easily exploited, but even within America there is suspicions of what these saudi funded schools and centers are teaching. There have been several closures.

Once again let me simplify:

A 1 man 2 woman play

Man: Mr Who (he prefers red white and blue wardrobe
Girlfriend 1: mr karzai
Girlfriend 2: king Abdullah

Man to gf1: hey girl, I love you... I'll be your sugar daddy... I'll buy you green cloakes and make it worth your while

Man to gf2: hey girl; I know you're dangerous, but I cannot resist your oily allure.

Man to self: hot darn, I'm a bigamist.

Man to gf1: hey girl, my other girl gf2 wants to park her minivan in our garage. I know it's been used in hit and runs and stuff but you know loves funny that way

Gf1: sure, she can park just about anything YOU want here; after all you are the one that wears the pants in both relationships!

Man: so cool, she can park her van here then. Im glad you didn't make a fuss like some hoes. I heard you two hate each other.

Gf1 and gf2: no dear; we hate who you pay us to hate! We are always for sale!

[khushal]

Once again let me simplify:

A 1 man 2 woman play

Man: Mr Who (he prefers red white and blue wardrobe
Girlfriend 1: mr karzai
Girlfriend 2: king Abdullah

Man to gf1: hey girl, I love you... I'll be your sugar daddy... I'll buy you green cloakes and make it worth your while

Man to gf2: hey girl; I know you're dangerous, but I cannot resist your oily allure.

Man to self: hot darn, I'm a bigamist.

Man to gf1: hey girl, my other girl gf2 wants to park her minivan in our garage. I know it's been used in hit and runs and stuff but you know loves funny that way

Gf1: sure, she can park just about anything YOU want here; after all you are the one that wears the pants in both relationships!

Man: so cool, she can park her van here then. Im glad you didn't make a fuss like some hoes. I heard you two hate each other.

Gf1 and gf2: no dear; we hate who you pay us to hate! We are always for sale!

lol

[ډګروال]

dagarwal youre a moron

mind your language kid.

[ډګروال]

Once again let me simplify:

A 1 man 2 woman play

Man: Mr Who (he prefers red white and blue wardrobe
Girlfriend 1: mr karzai
Girlfriend 2: king Abdullah

Man to gf1: hey girl, I love you... I'll be your sugar daddy... I'll buy you green cloakes and make it worth your while

Man to gf2: hey girl; I know you're dangerous, but I cannot resist your oily allure.

Man to self: hot darn, I'm a bigamist.

Man to gf1: hey girl, my other girl gf2 wants to park her minivan in our garage. I know it's been used in hit and runs and stuff but you know loves funny that way

Gf1: sure, she can park just about anything YOU want here; after all you are the one that wears the pants in both relationships!

Man: so cool, she can park her van here then. Im glad you didn't make a fuss like some hoes. I heard you two hate each other.

Gf1 and gf2: no dear; we hate who you pay us to hate! We are always for sale!

i still dont know who this big player mr who is?
is it zardari?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

i still dont know who this big player mr who is?
is it zardari?

He is in the next act of the play... He is the harlot that lives next door.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

dear khushal
care to explain how wahabis are coming?
you guys really think Afghans are that weak?

have you seen what's happened in Afghanistan for the last 40+ years?

[abassinafghan]

brainwashed idiots , telling us how kafir we are , you know , it has come so far that we have to be taught islam by a group of mushriks and kafirs , in this case wahabis .

i guess afghanistan is lacking so much in islam and understanding that AMERICAN SLAVES in this case SAUDIS have to show us what islam really is .

if we have one thing more than enough , than its mullahs and masjids .

but such a centre has got a more profound message , they will teach and educate new al albanis and other jahils , to tell us how great saudi arabia is and what the real way of islam is to follow .

you know if certain people here ,are so full of love for saudi arabia , why not move over there , i know they will welcome you with open arms .

funny thing is , how people confuse islam with saudi arabia ....


you know just go over there , learn arabic and live a life in saudi arabia ....


@ barakzai americayai

please spare us with your rhetorical skills which you learned in your classes in yale or harvard or standford .

its not about talking a debatte with fancy words and rhetorical skills in a certain direction , but comming to conclusions and understanding what people are aiming for and what it will bring to us .

and no you can not compare saudi envolvment in the us or europe with afg or the rest of the world ...

and yes it is clear that saudis try to cover their own agenda in the cloak of islam to get influence and its different if they do it with their masters in the usa , where they have to behave or in afghanistan , where those son of slaves think they where masters and above us .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

brainwashed idiots , telling us how kafir we are , you know , it has come so far that we have to be taught islam by a group of mushriks and kafirs , in this case wahabis .

>> Once again, who approved the building of the mosque. A "mushrik" cannot come into your home unless he is invited. Take up the case with Mr. Karzai and his military advisers.

i guess afghanistan is lacking so much in islam and understanding that AMERICAN SLAVES in this case SAUDIS have to show us what islam really is .

>> Well, if the elite class of Khanan and able bodied male refugees including Mr. Karzai had led their people in the Soviet conflict and did not require Mr. Osama to come and be injured by Russian shrapnel, we could agree with this statement.

if we have one thing more than enough , than its mullahs and masjids .

>> Same as above. Take up the cause with the "legitimately" elected government of Afghanistan.

but such a centre has got a more profound message , they will teach and educate new al albanis and other jahils , to tell us how great saudi arabia is and what the real way of islam is to follow .

>> ibid per above

you know if certain people here ,are so full of love for saudi arabia , why not move over there , i know they will welcome you with open arms .

funny thing is , how people confuse islam with saudi arabia ....

>> read the above posts. No one is confusing Saudi and anything.

you know just go over there , learn arabic and live a life in saudi arabia ....


@ barakzai americayai

please spare us with your rhetorical skills which you learned in your classes in yale or harvard or standford .

>> Sorry, I cannot do so - they come in handy.

its not about talking a debatte with fancy words and rhetorical skills in a certain direction , but comming to conclusions and understanding what people are aiming for and what it will bring to us .

>> The same conclusions that are reached everyday where every problem and every short coming and every failing is not bought to the door step of Arsala Ameen + the able bodied men who did nothing for their country except leave the "jahils" to fight their war?

and no you can not compare saudi envolvment in the us or europe with afg or the rest of the world ...

>> Of course you can. If Afghanistan has a "legitimately" elected government and if America is going to build Afghanistan into a 'G8" country - then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

and yes it is clear that saudis try to cover their own agenda in the cloak of islam to get influence and its different if they do it with their masters in the usa , where they have to behave or in afghanistan , where those son of slaves think they where masters and above us .

>> If they are the son of slaves, and if Mr. Karzai approved the structure - once again take it up with him.

x

[BarakzaiAbdali]

brainwashed idiots , telling us how kafir we are , you know , it has come so far that we have to be taught islam by a group of mushriks and kafirs , in this case wahabis .

i guess afghanistan is lacking so much in islam and understanding that AMERICAN SLAVES in this case SAUDIS have to show us what islam really is .

if we have one thing more than enough , than its mullahs and masjids .

but such a centre has got a more profound message , they will teach and educate new al albanis and other jahils , to tell us how great saudi arabia is and what the real way of islam is to follow .

you know if certain people here ,are so full of love for saudi arabia , why not move over there , i know they will welcome you with open arms .

funny thing is , how people confuse islam with saudi arabia ....


you know just go over there , learn arabic and live a life in saudi arabia ....


@ barakzai americayai

please spare us with your rhetorical skills which you learned in your classes in yale or harvard or standford .

its not about talking a debatte with fancy words and rhetorical skills in a certain direction , but comming to conclusions and understanding what people are aiming for and what it will bring to us .

and no you can not compare saudi envolvment in the us or europe with afg or the rest of the world ...

and yes it is clear that saudis try to cover their own agenda in the cloak of islam to get influence and its different if they do it with their masters in the usa , where they have to behave or in afghanistan , where those son of slaves think they where masters and above us .

Also you are always talking about how we need a leader with strength, vision, and regard for the Afghan peoples interests alone.

The only leaders in Afghan history who had this mind were Ahmad Shah Baba and Mir Wais Neka. The former understood his people's aspirations and used the language of Islam splendidly and the latter secured a fatwa during Hajj to kill Gurgin.

Instead it sounds like you are saying we need a Kemalist type of leader. How does that make any sense? You think that approach worked when the Shinwariyaan rose up against Amanullah after he tried an even watered down M Kemal approach (Let me guess ... it was all an evil British conspiracy)?

Whether you like it or not, religion is always going to be a part of the dialogue. The question is whether a leader like Ahmad Shah knows his people's strengths, weaknesses, and ideologies and does not try to destroy them but tries to do what he did. How many times did he secure wealth from India by having Shah Waliullah invite him for religious jangoona?

If the choice is between a leader like that fool Mostafa Kemal or Ahmad Shah Baba, who do you think we would choose?

[Khostai]

I don't know form what peopel are afraid off. Afghanistan is radicalised to the core, it can't be any more extreem that its is now. So by saying that it wil make peopel extreem is just stupid. Afghanistan is like its was 100 years ago the same peopel the same ****, nothing new nothing difrent.

[abassinafghan]

says who ? khoistai ?

since when in our history foreign taught mullahs and wanna be alims were runnig the politcis or the country ?

tell me one example