India has legit stake in Afghanistan: Top US Gen

[Army of Pakistan]

That is not true. There was 40 years of peace during Zahir Shah`s time, there was peace during Ahmad Shah Baba`s time. At least reiterate the history of Afghanistan properly. Oh and btw Pak army has 13-14 % Pashtuns in it, and ISI has not disclosed their numbers so I don`t know where you geniuses pull these statistics from. Afghanistan is not in the same state as it was before, it has been systematically ruined due to 30 years of conflict. Unlike India and Pakistan, they didn`t have the British build all their institutions for them. And FCR is a whole other monster, one which your army happily uses as it has strategic importance for them. Do you think it would have been possible for Pak, Soviets, US, to even remotely play their proxy wars in Afghanistan had it not been for the ambiguous and reserve status of FATA? This isn`t a fantasy forum.

For the love of God stop *******izing the name of Ahmad Shah Baba. Yes he did fight the marhattas, but Pashtuns also fought the mughals. What happened then? Ahmad Shah Baba fought on the request of Shah Walliullah and quite frankly this was a politically shrewd move as he was able to garner support and access to the riches of the Indian subcontinent.

Your forgetting the Civil War in Afghanistan. Your forgetting your Afghan leader welcomed the soviet invasion, your forgetting Pakistan and U.S. helped you fight off the Soviets.

When Pakistan was formed it inherited the poorest part of the land with nothing but a textile factory in Punjab that the Hindu who owned it burned it before he left for India. The British institutions that you speak of were ALL in India.

[Army of Pakistan]

So your reply is, Who cares about Pashto and Pashtun culture. In Pakistan everyone must adopt to culture?

You expect 30million ethnic Afghans of Pakistan to adopt to a new Pakistani culture and language?

Army of Pakistan, How much sense does that make?

No, you didn't completely discern my post, Pakistan is doing nothing for each culture but for the united culture of Pakistan, this is not Pashtun Republic of Pakistan its Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And yes these ethinc Afghans (those who seeked refuge in Pakistan after U.S. let war in Afghanistan) must adapt to Pakistani way of life or they are welcome to go back to Afghanistan.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Your forgetting the Civil War in Afghanistan. Your forgetting your Afghan leader welcomed the soviet invasion, your forgetting Pakistan and U.S. helped you fight off the Soviets.

When Pakistan was formed it inherited the poorest part of the land with nothing but a textile factory in Punjab that the Hindu who owned it burned it before he left for India. The British institutions that you speak of were ALL in India.

You are forgetting that they didn`t welcome the Soviets. You are forgetting that the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan is what Americans wanted. It was called the Afghan bear trap (which I have posted countless of times, because every other month a member like you comes and gets owned on this topic). You are forgetting that the civil war was also backed by the regional countries as each took a warlord to help destroy the country. Actually they weren`t all in India, granted India proper had more since they are the bigger country. And there is a presence of British institutions all over mainland Pakistan and India - their armed forces, factories, bureacracy, etc.

[єѕαρχαι]

I can't wait to see that day when all of you guys would be speaking hindi in afghanistan

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I can't wait to see that day when all of you guys would be speaking hindi in afghanistan

Why worry, Sher Khan we would speak the sister language of hindi in peshawar schools. Or is magically urdu baptized from its Indian birth? Why are you cheering against your people? We should be happy that Afghanistan is stabilizing and putting forward the agenda of Pashtuns. If it happens to ally itself with any country, we should support it. Stop using zaid hamidisms.

[Army of Pakistan]

According to the 1940 resolution it is supposed to cater to the 4 major ethnic groups. So yes it does have to. It is not our business to care about panjabis, it is their culture, if they want to preserve it, good for them.

I'm not familar with this 1940 resolution that caters to each ethnic group; but in anycase things change over time. Pakistan is striving to not be an ethnically diverse nation anymore. There is only one identity and its not Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, or Blacho, its Pakistani.

[єѕαρχαι]

zaid hamid is a war monger.

I believe in peace. As long people in my area are happy so i am happy.
we learn both pashtu and urdu in swabi. fair enough

[pekhawar]

I'm not familar with this 1940 resolution that caters to each ethnic group; but in anycase things change over time. Pakistan is striving to not be an ethnically diverse nation anymore. There is only one identity and its not Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, or Blacho, its Pakistani.

So you want us to give up our thousand year old Afghan identity and Afghan culture for Pakistani?

[Michin Khel]

No, you didn't completely discern my post, Pakistan is doing nothing for each culture but for the united culture of Pakistan, this is not Pashtun Republic of Pakistan its Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

What exactly is united culture of Pakistan?

We have our own distinct Pashtun culture which is thousands of years old. We dont want to spoil it with by mixing with other cultures in the name of islam. The beauty of Sindhi, Baloch, Punjabi and Pashtun cultures lies in their purity.

Pakistan is a co-existence (not mixture) of four different ethnic groups and it should be maintained like that.

[Army of Pakistan]

Why worry, Sher Khan we would speak the sister language of hindi in peshawar schools. Or is magically urdu baptized from its Indian birth? Why are you cheering against your people? We should be happy that Afghanistan is stabilizing and putting forward the agenda of Pashtuns. If it happens to ally itself with any country, we should support it. Stop using zaid hamidisms.

The Hindus are cunning and don't be gullible that they are there for your interests, they are there for a strategic depth against Pakistan. Pakistan has invested as much in ratio to their GDP as India has.

If you support India, see Bangladesh. They thought the Hindus were their friends when India supported and assisted them for their independence.

Look at them today how they are suffering and how they are regretting their independence movement. Look how many illegal Bengalis are India and Pakistan striving for a better life. See how India's Border Security Forces kills them off at will, how the Hindus are manipulating and destroying them in every way possible. Today, Bangladesh is one of the poorest countries in the world BECAUSE of India.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I'm not familar with this 1940 resolution that caters to each ethnic group; but in anycase things change over time. Pakistan is striving to not be an ethnically diverse nation anymore. There is only one identity and its not Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi, or Blacho, its Pakistani.

You are defending Pakistan, but you are not even familiar with the key aspects of Pakistani history? Before you jump around lecturing others, please read up on the history of Pakistan and the All-India muslim league.

[Army of Pakistan]

What exactly is united culture of Pakistan?

We have our own distinct Pashtun culture which is thousands of years old. We dont want to spoil it with by mixing with other cultures in the name of islam. The beauty of Sindhi, Baloch, Punjabi and Pashtun cultures lies in their purity.

Pakistan is a co-existence (not mixture) of four different ethnic groups and it should be maintained like that.

So you want us to give up our thousand year old Afghan identity and Afghan culture for Pakistani?

Then cross over the Durrand Line and live in Afghanistan. Nobody is stopping you.

Pakistan is evolving to be a mixture of ethnic mixed group that does not cater to each ethnic group needs. See how successful the U.S. has been with this.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

The Hindus are cunning and don't be gullible that they are there for your interests, they are there for a strategic depth against Pakistan. Pakistan has invested as much in ratio to their GDP as India has.

If you support India, see Bangladesh. They thought the Hindus were their friends when India supported and assisted them for their independence.

Look at them today how they are suffering and how they are regretting their independence movement. Look how many illegal Bengalis are India and Pakistan striving for a better life. See how India's Border Security Forces kills them off at will, how the Hindus are manipulating and destroying them in every way possible. Today, Bangladesh is one of the poorest countries in the world BECAUSE of India.

It has nothing to do with hindu or budhist. I am a Pashtun(Afghan), we have our interests and India as well as Pakistan have theres. If they match ours, we are game, if not we are not your whipping boy. Lollz strategic depth, buddy that terminology was made famous by the security establishment in Pakistan. It is still a major terminology used. You can`t think we are this gullible.

Bangladesh is not as destabilized as Pakistans. It is not among the world`s failed states. And it is not for Bengalis to ride on or ask for help. They are their own state, let them deal with it. Their poverty is not due to India, and if you have any concrete proof that they are poor due to Indians, then prove it. Either substantiate your points or don`t make them. Believe me, they are more than happy as they are.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Pakistan is not evolving, it is a state. It has many distinct nations. We are Pashtun(Afghans) and if your colonial masters couldn`t force us to leave, what makes you so sure you will? Please either come up with mature answers or leave this debate.

[Army of Pakistan]

It has nothing to do with hindu or budhist. I am a Pashtun(Afghan), we have our interests and India as well as Pakistan have theres. If they match ours, we are game, if not we are not your whipping boy. Lollz strategic depth, buddy that terminology was made famous by the security establishment in Pakistan. It is still a major terminology used. You can`t think we are this gullible.

Bangladesh is not as destabilized as Pakistans. It is not among the world`s failed states. And it is not for Bengalis to ride on or ask for help. They are their own state, let them deal with it. Their poverty is not due to India, and if you have any concrete proof that they are poor due to Indians, then prove it. Either substantiate your points or don`t make them. Believe me, they are more than happy as they are.

India is not your friend, if there was no Pakistan, India would not give a damn about Afghanistan. Your post clearly shows you are gullible to not understand strategic depth manuvering by India.

Either Afghans side with Pakistan or India. If Afghans choose India, then Pakistan will destroy Afghanistan and it will be in as another member here said be living in the flinstone age for a long long time to come. The ISI knows every square inch of Afghanistan and has more covert resouces in Afghanistan than India and its money will ever have.